Thor:
Is "N/A" in reference to my not having a vote on anyone by the end of day yesterday? Because I would have had a vote on SOMEONE had I been given the opportunity to finish reading the game before the hammer was prematurely dropped. Also, why investigate Scumhunter after I flip town? Any particular reasons (other than the pile I'm about to put out here)?
Scumhunter:
In response to your question about Thor: he’s in the middle of my list, but I’m leaning more town on him than scum for several reasons. (Scum---->Town: Torquez, Scumhunter, Thor, Hellhound, Awesomea, Hiplop)
I'll be happy to point to interactions with Torqez that lead me to believe you're his buddy. But first, reasons you might be scum independently from Torquez:
1
. You said to me that you tend to think someone is town if they defend you, and you seem to be concerned that I’m not questioning Thor’s alignment even though he’s trying to get me lynched. With this in mind, I’ve been reexamining your play. In your ISO 6/Post 109, you ask Thor if he’s willing to be lynched if Cloud flips town, “Like instant lynched with no questions asked?” It’s D1; mislynching happens. Are you wondering the same thing today? Because if I’m lynched, I will flip town, and then Thor would have pushed two ML—was he scummier on D1 or D2? You seem to be more on the fence about his pushing a ML today, no vehement exclamations about him being insta-lynched after yesterday and all. From your ISO 7/Post 111
Scumhunter to Thor wrote: The fact that you are unwilling to even consider him possibly being town and are aggressively pushing for a lynch on a guy who has done next to nothing wrong is what makes you scum. You are too sure on him being scum for this to be legitimate scumhunting.
Is he not doing the same thing to me today? Why so quiet on the subject?
2
. To answer that, could it be you're lying low today to try to detract attention from the fact that you did a bad, bad thing by hammering too early yesterday and cut off the day before everyone was ready and there were still several actual days left and thus no rush? And that you hammered someone you had vehemently defended most of the day and felt bad about lynching (your words)?
3
. White-knighting Cloud early on (begins in ISOs 2/Post 100 and 3/Post 101); in your ISO 5/Post 105, you explain his behavior without giving him a chance to respond to Ninja’s comment, and then vehemently express what you think of Thor’s case, ending with an exclamation point. Finally, in that post, in which you express how much you are against this lynch, you put on a tin-foil hat and suggest they may be buddies who are distancing—giving no justification for this aside from this:
Scumhunter wrote: Just wanted to mention it so that if it turns out to be the case I can feel at least somewhat competent later.
This is classic: you-mafia set yourself up as avid opposing what you know would be a town lynch, but are opening a door that could lead to later mislynching if Cloud survives the day.
Later (ISO 34/Post 250) you switch your vote to DK after he comes along and votes for you after you had put so much effort into defending Cloud, basically saying this:
Scumhunter wrote:Omg, that same person actually IS scummy once they flake out and then they vote the person who was very activelydefending them because its an easy wagon!!! Still, no one seems to care D1 is ML day, lets lynch Scumhunter!!!! OMG!!!! He is probably the townie who cares the most about winning and will be a huge asset to us as the game goes on!!! Let's lynch him!!! That's smart!!! He dared to question a shitty tunneled case on page 5 when over the game wasn't contributing. OMG must be scum!!! OMG OMG OMG!!!! His posts annoy me so lets lynch him!!! OMGOMGOMG!!! OMG I JUST READ HIM POSTING THIS AND IM LIKE OMG WHAT A TOWN TELL, but im too lazy to unvote omg. Its ML day and we will learn so much from his flip!!! <3 <3 <3
So much venom there. My read of this is that you thought that Cloud/DK would be so happy that you had defended his honor so well that he would never suspect you as scum, and when that fell through, you wanted him out of the game. In that post (not all of it is quoted), your tone is very angry, and you keep pointing out why things you are doing are town, as if you've read a script for being town and are following it accordingly, and that no one can question you because of that, even suggesting the only reason Thor is questioning you is because he's scum.
Another note: between your ISO 12 and 34, when the attention has shifted from Cloud to yourself, you slowly devolve from rational and logical posts into more ranting and angry posts. As Thor's attention shifts to you--and it is still early in the day--you began to panic and suddenly want someone to be quicklynched. You appeal to Cloud to rescue you for defending him and hint you might be losing faith in his townieness even as you also go after lurkers (Start/Swag) and express a desire to lynch Thor--anything to shift attention off yourself, but nothing substantial on anyone. ISO 20 is another great example of where you point out that you have done something to appear town, but again, still reading like you are following a script for being town and cuing the audience for reactions. You also repeatedly tell Thor you're no longer supporting his lynch, as if that should make him back off from you.
Also, your whole turnaround on Thor on D1 happened when he began to attack you, and seems to be BECAUSE he was attacking you, making me think you only backed off because you are afraid of him. You even consistently remind him you're no longer voting for him, which is really weird, like you know you've stepped on the big dog's porch and are just trying to get off that porch without being bitten.
Points for Torqez/Scum buddies:
Scum's ISO 48--asking Torqez to support his hiplop vote;
ISO 49: suggesting hiplop-scum would mean Torqez scum--the flipside being hiplop-town equals Torqez-town;
ISO 54: requests someone CC hiplop (and I'm still wondering if his disbelief that hiplop was the JK is what got Foilist killed--because scum thought he might be a PR who didn't want to outright CC);
Torquez: enters thread praising Scumhunter's brilliance (ISO 2); begins to back off when pressured (ISO 6); weakly attacks Scumhunter while under pressure (begins ISO 7, interesting response to hiplop in ISO 15; despite increasing "suspicion" for Scumhunter, does not vote or FoS him; comments to Scumhunter read more like coaching (ISO 7, 16-17); also, from ISO 9:
Torqez wrote:DeityKabuto, do you realise your role slot (previously cloudocean), was defended by Scumhunter pretty much? What are your reasons for voting him? Do you agree with Thor fully?
Using Scumhunter's logic that defense of town=town?
Yes my lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers...
