NY136: The Death of ReaperCharlie (GAME OVER, Town win!)

[DemonHybrid]

[DemonHybrid]

Sorry, hit submit.

Vote: Shanba

. Parama's lynch is terrible and it may or may not be scumdriven, but the fact that Shanba took all of Day 2 to call out Parama's motivations makes me cringe. It's obvious white knighting on an "inevitable" wagon and I don't trust it. He is a much better lynch.

Parama's last post is right and you guys are failing to bring out scum motivation behind his actions. I always thought and still think its a 3 town neighborhood.

Mastin, stop posting spam and start throwing your weight around. We NEED your confirmed town status and you're just wasting it.

[mastin2]

Wasting it?

Nah.

I'm developing reads.

Like that Shanba's scum WITH Parama and Sapo, for instance, but you knew that.

[CrashTextDummie]

Also, <33333 CrashTextDummie. Let me know who the scums are, please.

You are, admit it! I expected that welcome to be at least this long: <3333333333. :p

I'm starting my readthrough now, but I can already tell I won't be able to finish tonight. I'd appreciate it if you guys could refrain from lynching anyone until I do, kthxbai.

I'll do my analysis in 3 batches of 10ish pages.

[saporovirus]

unvote

[CrashTextDummie]

I read the first 10 pages and started writing a post, but it's getting very late and I can't keep my eyes open. I'll post it tomorrow along with the rest of my analysis, but here are the cliffnotes:

scum:
Meransiel
Yos2
DemonHybrid

[Yosarian2]

Yeah, parama is pretty clearly scum here. The "catch up post" is weak and OMGUSy. Also, attacking PJ because

PJ 337 – Thanks for blatantly bandwagoning. Your reason for voting me, at that point in time, was akin to “I don’t think he adequately answered questions posed to him” even though my answers to everything were more than sufficient. +1.

Is pretty blatently absurd. You never refused to answer questions, huh? Then what was this?

1. dealwithit
2. dealwithit
3. dealwithit

dealwithit

PJ, I don't give a damn about what you want.

Also, +1 awesome points to Mastin for the best musical vote I've seen in a while.

[Yosarian2]

Yos: Do you think PJ is scum?

Eh. I haven't felt confident in my ability to read PJ since Kingmaker II.

At one point, I really didn't like his attack on me, but looking at it now, it could very well have been what he said, an attempt to shake up the game and look elsewhere. Now that I can look at it dispassionately, I have to say that that coming after me like that when I don't have any other votes on me doesn't really look scummy; even though I dislike his reasons for voting me, I can't really attribute a scum motivation for his actions.

So, if I had to guess right now...I'd prrrroooobbbalby say PJ is probably leaning town. Ish. I think. I'm fairly paranoid about him for pretty much irrational reasons, though.

Everyone - thoughts on saporovirus please

SV seems town-ish to me right now. Stuff like where on day 1 she questioned DH about the Kondi thing, and when he answered, she unvoted him based on his answers feels honestly town to me.

[Amrun]

VC2.7

(1) DemonHybrid - Hrezs
(0) Pine
(0) mastin2
(0) Iecerint
(1) saporovirus - Shanba, Iecerint
(6) Parama - mastin2, Hydra, Yosarian2, Meransiel, MrBuddyLee, petroleumjelly
(1) CrashTextDummie - ToastyToast
(0) Meransiel
(0) MrBuddyLee
(0) petroleumjelly
(0) Yosarian2
(1) Shanba - DemonHybrid
(0) Hydra
(0) ToastyToast

Not Voting: Pine, Parama, saporovirus

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

V/LA: DemonHybrid, petroleumjelly

Deadline: Wednesday, July 20, 6pm EST

Spoiler: Vote History

DemonHybrid - mastin2 > unvote
Pine
mastin2 - Parama
Iecerint - mastin2 > unvote > Parama > unvote > saporovirus
saporovirus - mastin2 > Parama > unvote > CrashTextDummie > saporovirus
Parama - mastin2 > unvote
CrashTextDummie - DemonHybrid
Meransiel - mastin2 > unvote > Parama
MrBuddyLee - Parama
petroleumjelly - mastin2 > unvote > DemonHybrid > Parama > Yosarian2 > CrashTextDummie > Hydra > Parama
Yosarian2 - Parama
Shanba - saporovirus
Hydra - Parama
ToastyToast - CrashTextDummie

If there are any mistakes, please let me know.

Pine has been prodded.

[mastin2]

So, Parama and Sapo are half of our scum.
I've expressed clear Yosarian2 suspicion.
I'm also quite suspicious of Shanba.

I'll be re-reading the game, to see if these four go well together as a complete scumteam.

[Yosarian2]

I've expressed clear Yosarian2 suspicion.

Actually, no, you haven't, not at any point this game. What are you talking about?

[Iecerint]

Um. Mastin is confirmed town.

[mastin2]

I had a lot more than this before, but like I said, I false-cleared someone, so I need to re-read and I'm not confident of any other reads enough to call town.

2. earworm Ythan
8. Hrezs*
11. MrBuddyLee*
13. Yosarian2
14. Shanba*

Two of the names up there are scum

Not the best way of expressing it, but when you combine it with this:

Skimmed the walls, and say that Yosarian2 definitely came out of the losing end in the argument.

In other words, "Yos2 is looking like a scumread".

Like I said, though. I know Parama's scum, and STRONGLY suspect Sapo's scum as well. 2/4, but the remaining two, not as positive on. I know they're in that list, but am less certain as to who they are.

Hence, the need for a re-read to see if my current separated thoughts (AKA, "individual scumminess") are accurate. (AKA, "condemning interactions".) If they are, great! Got the scumteam! If they aren't, re-evaluate and find out how they're wrong, and find out from that what's right.

[petroleumjelly]

Ninja-post:

Hey Yosarian2, I asked you a rather important question quite a while ago. I would like it answered.

Quick experiment:

Yos, besides me and Parama (who I am assuming you find scummy since that is where your vote is), who do you think is scummy?

[Hydra]

Last minute leap off by Iec looks super sketchy.

Was pointed out to me by Ludi that 'lol, Vig claim' is here so...well, retract this tell as odds are it's not a valid tell after a Vig claim. Derf on me.

@Parama - I will agree that at 12 point font and with a direct quote so all the links are typed out your post just edges into 6 pages. You have weakened how sure I feel about this lynch, but I still want you lynched. Also, if you flip scum we have 'lol awesome town' on the other two neighbors, which would be sweet.

[mastin2]

Oh why, oh why, won't Paaaa-ra-ma die...
Oh why, can't we lyyyynch his kiiiiiind?!?
I've been tryyying to gooo,
Aaaand leeeeet you knoooow...
The scum-teeeam, will beee friiiiiiiied...

(Sorry, couldn't resist. Told myself Silent Night would be the last one, but I did some work on my novel [where the tune is used] and that tune got stuck in my head while I was thinking of this game. It just fell into place from there.)

[DemonHybrid]

Mastin, be quiet and start scumhunting outside of reciting annoying song lyrics.

[mastin2]

So, Parama and Sapo are half of our scum.
I've expressed clear Yosarian2 suspicion.
I'm also quite suspicious of Shanba.

I'll be re-reading the game, to see if these four go well together as a complete scumteam.

2. earworm Ythan
8. Hrezs*
11. MrBuddyLee*
13. Yosarian2
14. Shanba*

Two of the names up there are scum

[Combined with this:]

Yosarian2 definitely came out of the losing end in the argument.

In other words, "Yos2 is looking like a scumread".

I know Parama's scum, and STRONGLY suspect Sapo's scum as well. 2/4, but the remaining two, not as positive on. I know they're in that list, but am less certain as to who they are.

Hence, the need for a re-read to see if my current separated thoughts (AKA, "individual scumminess") are accurate. (AKA, "condemning interactions".) If they are, great! Got the scumteam! If they aren't, re-evaluate and find out how they're wrong, and find out from that what's right.

[Pine]

/prodded

Sorry folks, this has been a week of Hell at work for me. I've got the weekend mostly open, so I'll catch up shortly.

[mastin2]

Also, in case nobody noticed the sig:

V/LA 7/16 until 7/22

.

I should have internet access, fortunately. Unfortunately, it'll be on the slowest dial-up you can possibly have with the internet still working. (Also unfortunately, accessing my notes will be extremely inconvenient.

And also unfortunately, I only have access from 10 PM 'til 6 or so AM. But, hey, that's still eight hours a day.)

[Yosarian2]

Ninja-post:

Hey Yosarian2, I asked you a rather important question quite a while ago. I would like it answered.

Quick experiment:

Yos, besides me and Parama (who I am assuming you find scummy since that is where your vote is), who do you think is scummy?

Yeah, I've been meaning to do a full re-read and try to get reads on more people, just haven't had time. Let me get that going.

My notes after a re-read:


1. DemonHybrid: This early post of DemonHydra bugs the heck out of me:

Unvote, Vote: Meransiel

Not only has he been scummy, but if he flips scum, the 3 of us neighbors can rest easy knowing that we're near-confirmed town.

2. Pine* earworm* Ythan : Some of Earworm’s posts probably make more sense coming from town then from scum. This post, especially, tastes like town:

unvote, vote: Parama

asking people a bunch of questions is not the same as scum-hunting.

@Meransiel

: Can you please clarify your current stances on Parama and DH?

@Parama

: What do you think of Meransiel?

*Looks at your last vote.*
*Looks for Sensfan posts between this post and your last vote.*
*Looks for Parama posts between this post and your last vote.*
*sigh*

But, godammit you are town aren't you? :/
Could you at least

attempt

to explain your votes, if only for my sanity?

3. mastin2 Snow White** Confirmed town Sadly, I don’t think the day 2 Mastin wagon tells us anything, because of that bad lying about his role gambit Mastin attempted; after that, I’d expect ‘logical scumhunter’ people like PJ to vote Mastin no matter what his alignment was.

4. Iecerint: Votes Hreze, says he dislikes the current wagons, says he doesn’t think Meran is scum. Defends Meran later. Moves his vote over to DH in 319, has townreads on sapo, PBuG. Icerint has generally been quiet, but I get pretty good vibes from him.

5. saporovirus: Not really a fan of her day 1 play. I like that she defended me against PJ on day 2, heh. (Ok, it's hard for me to be unbiased about this, but that defensive posts feels town-ish to me).

6. Parama* : Dislike his MoI vote in post 262. Refuses to answer questions. Is using the “I haven’t read the game” defense for way too long. His “summery” post was pretty terrible. Scummy.

8. CrashTextDummie Hrezs* Dislike Hreze’s post #80, where Meransiel complains that the hydra discussion is useless and Hreze votes him for “squelching discussion”. Lame. Generally lurked for most of the day.

10. Meransiel Tracker, probably town. Looks generally town for most of day 1 (especally now that that demand for the neighbors to claim makes more sense)

11. MrBuddyLee** No real problems with his play. The “ask everyone questions and don’t specify anything for a long time” thing is pretty much his normal normal meta these days, and his day 2 posting feels like decent scumhunting to me. Of course, MBL is pretty much always unreadable, so take that with a grain of salt.

12. petroleumjelly PJ’s stance on AGM is kind of weird yesterday. First, he attacks Meran with the “you’re trying to plant the idea that one of the neighbors is scum” argument, but calls AGM town while he’s doing the same thing. He never explains his AGM read, and eventually “reatracts” his town read on AGM, but never really comments on him otherwise. PJ, can you remember what post or posts by AGM gave you a town vibe early in the day, and why you changed your mind later?

After Meran makes a bunch of posts that are pretty obvtown IMHO (refusal to get on the Kondi wagon without a full explination first, comment that Kondi townslipped, which he stuck to even under attack, calls me a “misguided townie” in response to me attacking him), PJ says this:

1.)

Meransiel, if you're going to claim scum, please just do it now and save us some time. There's no shame in it -- not every game is gonna be your game. And this one certainly isn't shaping up to be yours.

Ehhh. Really don’t get it.

14. Shanba*: No real problem with his play. Defense of Hydra looks town-ish.


16. Hydra (Thor655 + Magister Ludi)*: No real read on them yet. Most of the scumhunting they’ve done seems plausible enough.

18. ToastyToast kondi2424** Probably town, based on the neighbors town slip thing

Summary:

Town: Mastin2, Meransiel

Probably town: Toastytoast

Leaning town: Pine, Iecerint, Shanba

Null: Hydra, MBL, saporovirus

Leaning scummy: CrashTextDummies, DemonHybrid (note: DH is probably town if para is scum, although mastin’s theory is cute), petroleumjelly

Scum: Parama

[MrBuddyLee]

@Parama

, I wasted another twenty minutes of my life trying to figure out what your deal is. It was not particularly interesting. I checked out your site meta. You seem to be a nice kid with a lot of creativity and smarts, but I went back three months and didn't really find a post where you scumhunted. You seem more interested in looking cool and edgy and having fun, which is fine I suppose, but not fun for your townmates. In one game where you were scum, you said:

my play in this game is not representative of how I usually play

and another as scum:

I've been sucking a lot lately forever it seems.

• Your only vote today was on Mastin.
  
• You've analyzed half the game.
  
• You wouldn't clarify your shady MoI vote reasons when asked.
  
• You're not motivated to find scum.
  
• Your current analysis post is underwhelming, and it appears two of your top three suspects as a result of it are Iece and Meransiel.

cons of lynching you:

you might be town--you certainly haven't been scumhunting as town lately

pros of lynching you:

get rid of an "unreadable" player, karma for you telling PJ to

SCREW OFF

when he politely asked you a question, you might be scum, take away the vote of a player who doesn't give a shit.

If you have anything to claim, please do it now so we have time to analyze properly before Wednesday.

[Parama]

I'm pretty much not interested in rereading at this point, because I've remembered how much I hate doing it.

vote: PJ

[Parama]

actually no

Requesting Replacement

get someone else in here who actually cares about this game

[mastin2]

Key words like this:

1. DemonHybrid: This early post of DemonHydra

bugs

the heck out of me:

And this:

2. Pine* earworm* Ythan : Some of Earworm’s posts

probably

make more sense

coming from town then from scum.

And this:

Sadly

, I

don’t

think

the day 2 Mastin wagon tells us anything, because of that bad lying about his role gambit Mastin attempted; after that, I’d

expect

‘logical scumhunter’ people like PJ to vote Mastin

no matter what

his alignment was.

And this:

Icerint has

generally

been quiet, but I

get

pretty good

vibes from

him.

And this:

Not

really

a

fan

of her

day 1 play

. I

like

that she

defended

me against PJ on day 2

,

heh

. (Ok, it's hard for me to be unbiased about this, but that defensive posts

feels town-

ish

to me

).

Aaaaaaaand this:

Dislike

his MoI vote in post 262. [snip] His “summery” post was

pretty

terrible.

Scummy

.

(Especially when combined with the difference between "scummy" and "Scum"...)

...And so on (I've gotten tired of quoting it all),

Are all things which make me lean scum on Yosarian2. Emphasis are key words which I particularly focused on, but not necessarily the only thing which makes those sentences scummy.



I was leaning town on MBL, but, well,

pros of lynching you: get rid of an "unreadable" player, karma for you telling PJ to SCREW OFF when he politely asked you a question, you might be scum, take away the vote of a player who doesn't give a shit.

If you have anything to claim, please do it now so we have time to analyze properly before Wednesday.

The reasons didn't seem like the ones a pro-town player would give, and additionally, it reads as very minor coaching (okay, not the best word; vets rarely coach vets--more like 'friendly suggestion') to Parama. :/