NY136: The Death of ReaperCharlie (GAME OVER, Town win!)


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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:20 am

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CrashTextDummie wrote:
Yos2 to AGM in #394 wrote:The difference is, is that you are jumping to conclusions for no apparent reason, which is scummy since there's a possible scum motive for doing so and no obvious reason a townie would jump to that conclusion, while I am simply not coming to any conclusion on the subject without information.


His whole argument against AGM went roughly like this:
1. "I think it's likely the whole neighborhood is town since none of them seem suspicious to me."
2. "Scum are therefore likely to suggest there is one scum in the neighborhood."
3. "AGM is therefore scum."

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based on Yos2 jumping to conclusions. His attack feels very disingenuous.


No, it's not.

A: I think that the stance AGM was taking was scummy, in and of itself. I explained this in great detail.

B: Even if I'm wrong about A, or if if AGM actually believed what he was saying, then if he believed that the right thing to do is to lynch a neighbor, he should have actually acted on it. I still don't get why he was so gung-ho to lynch a neighbor in theory, but never even seemed to seriously consider voting any of the neighbors for any reason in reality.

There isn't any "jumping to conclusions" in my argument at all, CTD. Yes, i was wrong about AGM, and that sucks. Pro-town people are wrong about 50%-70% of the time on day 1, learn to deal with the fact.
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:16 am

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Bowser replaces Parama, effective upon posting.
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:07 am

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Amrun wrote:Bowser replaces Parama, effective upon posting.


This is a good thing.
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:16 pm

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Oh crap. replacing a scummy as hell slot.

I'm going to take some time aside and do this.
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:03 pm

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/airport post

Bowser, please explain why you think you have replaced into a "scummy as hell slot." Be specific.
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:20 pm

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waitin for replacements 2 catch up...
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:26 pm

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Look at my wagon. It's probably scum-driven.
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:28 pm

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Bowser wrote:Look at my wagon. It's probably scum-driven.

:igmeou:
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:33 pm

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Hey Bowser, how about you answer the question I just asked you?
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:40 pm

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I think that was intended to be his answer.

(Bowser is CSL btw.)
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:42 pm

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Hydra wrote:Well, it would help if you, you know, actually tried to propel this discussion forward. What are you current reads, who are your top two choices for scum. Why are you mad that parama is replacing out? (what do you mean by odd, can you clarify?) Also, you browbeat saporo a little, but your vote is on CrashTextDummie?


Toast, can you answer this.

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Bowser wrote:Look at my wagon. It's probably scum-driven.


Who is the scum? You've read the whole game and caught up I take it?
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:43 pm

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I'm catching up tomorrow.
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:15 pm

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@Hydra: I already gave my reads, including my top two scum. Read. It obviously did nothing to propel the discussion, other than get sappo to make a shitty vote (who Amrun is now searching to find a replacement)
I'm mad at Parama for replacement cuz he was all like YAYYY WE R BEST NEIGHBORS EVERRRR then replaced
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:58 pm

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Still have slacked off on the re-read, but if I were to go off of late-game interactions,
Yosarian2 wrote:Eh. I normally do like hunting lurkers, but I think Shanba is likely to be town here.
^This strengthens the scumteam I proposed.
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:13 pm

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mastin2 wrote: ^This strengthens the scumteam I proposed.


Unfortunately, I...agree with this.
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:52 pm

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mastin2 wrote:Still have slacked off on the re-read, but if I were to go off of late-game interactions,
Yosarian2 wrote:Eh. I normally do like hunting lurkers, but I think Shanba is likely to be town here.
^This strengthens the scumteam I proposed.



The fact that I think Shanba is town proves we're scum together? Is that seriously what you're going with here?

You know, you don't have to try to prove the theory that being confirmed town makes your play worse, mastin.
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:11 pm

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...Yeah...

I'm not sold on Shanba, yet. (Heavily, HEAVILY leaning towards it, of course.)

But Yos?

Sealing the deal with every post he makes. :)
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:11 pm

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Oh,
@Hydra again: I'm voting CTD because the slot he replaced into was scummy, and his posts haven't really changed that yet...Yeah, they aren't terrible but they don't scream town either
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:13 am

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mastin2 wrote:...Yeah...

I'm not sold on Shanba, yet. (Heavily, HEAVILY leaning towards it, of course.)

But Yos?

Sealing the deal with every post he makes. :)


I'm thinking the reverse. I think Shanba is scummy and because Yos sees him as town...yeah.
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:56 am

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Killerjester replaces saporovirus. Yay! We are full!

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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:13 am

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VC2.10

(1) DemonHybrid - Hrezs
(0) Pine
(0) mastin2
(0) Iecerint
(2) Killerjester - Shanba, Iecerint
(6) Bowser - mastin2, Hydra, Yosarian2, Meransiel, MrBuddyLee, petroleumjelly
(1) CrashTextDummie - ToastyToast
(0) Meransiel
(0) MrBuddyLee
(1) petroleumjelly - Bowser
(0) Yosarian2
(1) Shanba - DemonHybrid
(0) Hydra
(0) ToastyToast

Not Voting: Pine,killerjester

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

V/LA: DemonHybrid, petroleumjelly, mastin2

Deadline: Saturday, July 23rd, 11:30pm EST


Spoiler: Vote History
DemonHybrid - mastin2 > unvote
Pine
mastin2 - Parama
Iecerint - mastin2 > unvote > Parama > unvote > saporovirus
Killerjester - mastin2 > Parama > unvote > CrashTextDummie >unvote
Bowser - mastin2 > unvote > Petroleumjelly
CrashTextDummie - DemonHybrid
Meransiel - mastin2 > unvote > Parama
MrBuddyLee - Parama
petroleumjelly - mastin2 > unvote > DemonHybrid > Parama > Yosarian2 > CrashTextDummie > Hydra > Parama
Yosarian2 - Parama
Shanba - saporovirus
Hydra - Parama
ToastyToast - CrashTextDummie


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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:21 am

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I think saporovirus/KJ is the most likely scum. Sapo would at least give an explanation if she were town. I think she would be more likely to flake like this strategically.

She did flake once as town in a game I played with her : Square Enix V. But that one where she replaced in and found herself in an awkward situation, so maybe it was a little different.
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:22 am

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Oh but I forgot about CSL's replace-in posts...

Yeah, those were bad too.

I'd like to hear from sap's replacement for sure...not familiar with KJ...
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:55 am

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Hi! I read to about page 4 last night, and just woke up so I'll need a little more time to catch up.

A little bit about myself,

1. I haven't played
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2. I live in [GMT -5:00] for you all to get an idea when to expect my posts
3. You can certainly call me KJ or any other nickname you see fit =)

So, as I catchup, are there any nicknames that have already been established?
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:52 am

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I think most of the players in the game are relatively familiar with one another, but there shouldn't be any references that are too esoteric.

I think the main things to consider upon a readthrough is that Mastin is town, and Meransiel and I are pretty likely to be town.

Read through the game and give us your thoughts, please.

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