ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[SpyreX]

5/1 no cult thanks to awesome at typing.

Orrr, to put this another way: why wouldn't cult claim stranger at this juncture?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Because there could be a real Stranger out there?

[SpyreX]

Regardless it isn't adding up right now that I'm actually thinking about it.

*This is assuming (and its a tenuous assumption) Esp is town and a vig and unrecruitable.
*This is also assuming all 7 are present in some fashion be it fakeclaims or not.

Watcher for cult would be a red herring - if Esp is I'd expect all the town roles to be unrecruitable (which puts it at 8-9 unrec in the game). For scum it would be a double bonus as any successful watch would be a KOS (either cult culting OR town PR).

On that note if there are 4 scum AND all 7 ARE town there's 11 unrec or weird scum mechanics - AND this would mean both scum and cult are given just the generic vanillas. So I dont buy that.

If we're looking at 5/1/1 which is possible I'd bet on Emp-scum and Stranger-cult.

Which, of course, begs WHY cult didn't claim it if they had it before it got to this point.
Now, on the other side, IF cult doesn't have it AND Esp is town then the natural progression is town PR's are unrec. Cult recruit claiming stranger could get a town unrec lynched at best OR point the recruit attempt in a better direction.

So: Why wouldn't cult claim stranger?

Of course after all those words its obvious that barring VERY specific circumstances I wouldn't buy a town-stranger claim anyways but.

[ooba]

Vote Count

Benmage (3)

- Empking, SpyreX, Benmage

Nexus (2)

- Thor665, Hinduragi

Hinduragi (2)

- Cogito Ergo Sum, Nexus

Cogito Ergo Sum (1)

- Espeonage

Not Voting (3)

- Bogre, Lost Butterfly, Magua

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

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Deadline is in

(expired on 2011-07-30 23:59:59)

[Thor665]

@Magua - why aren't you voting? Aren't you some hard case who's gonna whomp me in a brawl or something?

[Magua]

@Magua - why aren't you voting? Aren't you some hard case who's gonna whomp me in a brawl or something?

Been there, done that.

I'm not voting because I'm waiting for Nexus to return from V/LA. This might've been evident when I said it, or when I asked the mod for the deadline extension.

Way I figure, it comes down to CES or Nexus (though Benmage still rubs me the wrong way with his pants on head selfvoting, I don't think I'll vote him today. Apparently, playing stupidly is my weak spot.) There's the nagging suspicion in the back of my mind that the cult recruiter has a safeclaim, or that a roleswap occurred, but that's still meh at this point.

[Thor665]

You're expecting brilliance from Nexus that will affect your vote?

Benmage is an anomaly - but if he's cult than all of his 'yo, I'm hunting SCUM, not cult, I catch the scumz, yo!' business is...ballsy considering there's still a scum team with a kill out there and he's been listed as a CR candidate, yeah? I could see him as regular scum, but if cult...woosh.

[Lost Butterfly]

@Bogre I don't think Thor should influence your decision on who to kill tonight.

[Lost Butterfly]

Also waiting for Bogre to let me know is there anyone I shouldn't vote. wink wink.

[Lost Butterfly]

hey nexus

[Thor665]

Yay, Nexus, potential forward movement.

[Lost Butterfly]

cult recruiter probs has a safeclaim.

nexus should let us know if he's an embodiment at this stage, too. i still think both cult and scum will have an embodiment each, leaving 5 town power roles? urk. let me ooba meta a little bit, hold on.

[Magua]

You're expecting brilliance from Nexus that will affect your vote?

I don't need brilliance. I need positions and thoughts. I expect Nexus will be able to provide those.

Why do you pick Nexus over CES?

[Thor665]

Gut.

Probably if I had to put it into words It would come out as 'lurking for advantage and to be forgotten'
CES at least seems to say the occasional strong opinion that is questionable, I feel like he's more out there. Nexus is lurktastic, and something is up with that.

[Espeonage]

Gut.

Probably if I had to put it into words It would come out as 'lurking for advantage and to be forgotten'
CES at least seems to say the occasional strong opinion that is questionable, I feel like he's more out there. Nexus is lurktastic, and something is up with that.

Yet you push the Nexus wagon as vehemently as you possibly can despite it being based on things that aren't even all that scummy in and of themselves. While I appreciate the use of gut to get stuff happening. Not helping. A CES vote would help though.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I could totally get Nexus lynched over me if I had wanted to, Esp. But I want to lynch the CR and Nexus isn't it.

[Espeonage]

Yes well demanding recruits to stop their leader being lynched isn't really all that difficult.

[Nexus]

Hi. On a train home atm. Phone posting.

Not an embodiment. Also probably wouldn't have hammered Ben, even if he irritates the shit out of me.

If the mass claim idea is still being floated around, I'm not averse to it.

Don't ever expect brilliance from me, it will only leave you bitterly disappointed. For now i return to adwd and will be with you properly later.

[Thor665]

Yet you push the Nexus wagon as vehemently as you possibly can despite it being based on things that aren't even all that scummy in and of themselves. While I appreciate the use of gut to get stuff happening. Not helping. A CES vote would help though.

So you're saying Nexus=town?

[SpyreX]

Vanilla claim + massclaim go = fabulous prizes.

I dont want to wait 6 days.

Here's where I sit:
Emp is far more likely scum than cult.
Benmage will never be lynched because he's cult and this is obvious YET he has the added bonus of being pants on head enough scum aren't going to do us those favors either. Awesome.
Hindu's culthunting as cult makes me confused. Maybe cult, probably not CR, probably not scum.
Thor is a tilt-a-whirl that doesn't look like a CR to me BUT could be any world.
Magua made me feel good until no benmage then I was sad. Irritations aside, I ACTUALLY think he may for reallies be town now.
Esp is probably worthless town. YES
Bogre is dead weight and can die anytime although more likely scum than cult at a gut.
At this point if neither CES and LB have been culted I'd be surprised. This is guaranteed if benmage is cult (he is).
Nexus is also dead weight and could actually be floating the CR float. His activity is less here than elsewhere on site (although not GIANT amounts) but his content here is waay less.

I still want Ben dead a lot.
When that can't happen I could see Nexus.

I DONT want Empking (scum), Esp (town), magua (town) lynched. Anyone else I could easily be persuaded.

[Magua]

Bogre and Thor cannot be the cult recruiter unless there's some weird hasdgfas-related shenanigans.

I was really thinking that Nexus was going to claim Embodiment of the Stranger.

The thing that bothers me about Nexus isn't so much his lurky play, which I saw in ASoS when he was town-pr, but his lack of reads given before he left for V/LA, and his lack of reads posted so far; he's obviously read because he mentions not hammering Benmage, so he should know he's being actively considered for a lynch.

SpyreX, I agree with you on LB-recruit, but do you see a possible LB-recruiter?

[SpyreX]

Good lord did I screw up again?

What were hasgafasdsdsasdadsas results? Bogre and Thor?

LB-recruiter COULD be. Part of it is liking early play and watching it devolve which makes me think recruit versus recruiter.

What do you think about my Emp-scum / Stranger-cult fakeclaim thoughts?

[Nexus]

"My activity elsewhere" I presume you mean in the Newbie game I set up on Friday? I was doing that as a favour to VRK, who had misread my post in the queue saying I was v/la until Sunday and he needed someone to replace a flaking mod, which I did.

My meta in Large Games is one of "lurking" in general. I can't help it, I get overwhelmed, particularly when there's a lot of egos floating around. It's something I had hoped to rectify during this game, but obviously I failed at that one.

I am sorry I've been such a dead weight, but I am not doing it deliberately. I admit it was a massive oversight not to post a list of suspects before I went to v/la, but generally that's not something I like doing anyway.

I couldn't really post reads from my phone as I wanted to re-read the thread, which was difficult given the browser is fucking shit.

Anyway, I think that Hinduragi and Bogre are definitely anti-town. I would've called Espeonage as well, but he did use his day-vig shot, albeit badly. Seems to be resting on his laurels a bit though.

I think both LB and Benmage are town. Benmage's bollocks makes me think he is town, even though he's scummy as hell, and I just think the Ben/LB argument from a while ago was town v town. No real experience with CES or Empking, so I still need to think about them more, but obviously if we're going one or maybe two Embodiments as fakeclaims, Empking has ot be scummy.

Thing is, is the real Embodiment of the Stranger actually gonna claim outside of a massclaim, given they're gonna be under huge amounts of suspicion? I dunno, someone could be lying.

Thor is just acting like Thor, so I don't really know. Gonna look at Magua and Thor again.

Sorry /o\

[Lost Butterfly]

SpyreX, I agree with you on LB-recruit, but do you see a possible LB-recruiter?

so which night was I recruited?

[Lost Butterfly]

same question @ spyrex