Mafia 47: Kingmaker - Game over!

[Fritzler]

No, Elvis Knits is the court Bitch, Dranko is the court jester, and i'm pretending to be a jester, because Dranko's not very good at his job.

(no offense intended EK)

no, elvis is my personnel bitch

nooch

[Fritzler]

(no offense intended EK)

She's a bitch (i mean that as a derogatory term towards women), who cares how she feels and wether or not she's offended?

[Ameliaslay]

I'm going to

vote N_lich, mysterymeatofdoom, and broomhead.

These are three of the four living people who voted RA after he claimed vanilla but before he claimed "possibly not vanilla"; that's the time period where I think scum would jump on RA's bandwagon but town wouldn't.

Okay, now that I found his reasoning for voting n_lich, I tend to agree with it, although I haven't really found anything else that distinguishes him as scummy.

[Twomz]

@ Fritz: I meant it more as a joke, saying that i wasn't trying to offend her, but not mentioning not offending Dranko... w/e

@ Thok and Amelia: I understand what y'all are saying, but i'm sure they all can't be mafia... that'd just be careless play on the mafias part. That may be a good line of thought to follow for today though.

[Ameliaslay]

Perhaps then, the ones to look at would be the ones who excited attention otherwise for other scummy play.

[Fritzler]

I'm going to

vote N_lich, mysterymeatofdoom, and broomhead.

These are three of the four living people who voted RA after he claimed vanilla but before he claimed "possibly not vanilla"; that's the time period where I think scum would jump on RA's bandwagon but town wouldn't.

Okay, now that I found his reasoning for voting n_lich, I tend to agree with it, although I haven't really found anything else that distinguishes him as scummy.

If anything I'd say n lich is a GG

[elvis_knits]

No, Elvis Knits is the court Bitch, Dranko is the court jester, and i'm pretending to be a jester, because Dranko's not very good at his job.

(no offense intended EK)

no, elvis is my personnel bitch

nooch

No offense taken.

P.S. Fritzler likes it when I tie him up.

[Fritzler]

No, Elvis Knits is the court Bitch, Dranko is the court jester, and i'm pretending to be a jester, because Dranko's not very good at his job.

(no offense intended EK)

no, elvis is my personnel bitch

nooch

No offense taken.

P.S. Fritzler likes it when I tie him up.

I told you about that?

Damn i didn't remember telling you that story.

[Thok]

My other reasons for focusing on n_lich are that he hasn't really said much, and there was that scum tell that Fuldu noticed yesterday (using assassins rather than scum).

None of these are strong scum tells, but there are a nontrivial number of them.

[elvis_knits]

This is the post where N_lich votes RA:

vote:RandomActs

I don't like the premature claim.

While I buy Thok's reasoning that townies wouldn't normally pile on a bandwagon after a claim, I think it is important to note WHY N_lich voted for RA. I remember that RA's claim was VERY early and most people were unhappy with such an early claim. N_lich may have been one of the only ones to vote RA for it, but it seems like a pretty good reason to me.

[Glork]

In all fairness, N_Lich hasn't said much of anything anywhere. Perhaps he needs a modprod and/or replacement?

[Shamrock]

N_lich is just a lurker/dormant, it seems.

Why is saying "assassins" instead of "scum" a scum tell?

[Thok]

If you want to be looking at potential slips of the tongue regarding what people have said, look at n_lich's post. Even though it's in the opening posts and whatall, his identification of the villains as "assassins" rather than "scum" like everybody else moves him up the list, in my book. Regardless of how deliberately and obviously the mod describes the scum, pro-town players are far more likely to identify them generically (as everyone else has, so far as I can see), whereas scum tend to self-identify (internally, obviously not publicly) with the descriptive term the mod uses, and are thus more likely to be the ones that use it when talking about 'the bad guys'.

It's not a strong indicator, since, as I said, all the information is right there in several of the mod's first posts, as well as in everyone's role PMs. But it's the sort of distinct usage that's more likely to be used by scum than town.

[Fuldu]

And, further, here:

Players know what's in the role PMs, but you, I, and everyone but N_lich, simply refer to the assassins as "scum." People outside the group are less likely to care or even think about what the name assigned to scum is (unless it's thematically important which, in a Normal, it almost never is). But self-identification is a powerful psychological force that affects how people think about groups depending on whether their inside them or outside them. Players inside a group are more likely to think of themselves by the descriptive term, in this case "assassin." Players outside the group are less invested in the group identity and are more likely to think of the group generically, in this case "scum." Because of that, and because N_lich was the only player to do so (and that a full day into the game, creating some distance between the front page and his post), I think it's more likely that he's scum.

[Glork]

Alright, this day seems to be dragging on long enough. There seem to be two main suspects right now.

*Puts

Broomhead

and

N_Lich

on the official Execution List*

I personally, would rather execute Broomhead. He has more votes, has been scummier in my eyes, and N_Lich may just be inactive right now. Any objections before I drop the Glorkhammah?

(I'd also like to point out that I referred to the mafia as "assassins" before N_Lich even did. Nobody seemed to have caught it, but the fact that I'm a mason should show that it's not necessarily a scumtell in any way, shape, or form.)

[Fritzler]

*Puts

Broomhead

and

N_Lich

on the official Execution List*

I would definitely prefer broomhead there. I don't think n-lich should be nailed.

[Glork]

Also, IGMEOY still, Fritz.

[Fuldu]

(I'd also like to point out that I referred to the mafia as "assassins" before N_Lich even did. Nobody seemed to have caught it, but the fact that I'm a mason should show that it's not necessarily a scumtell in any way, shape, or form.)

I did miss it, but I stand by my argument that it's a scumtell. "Not necessarily" is just in the nature of tells. Not everyone who does something is definitely scum, but having done so can still make a person more likely to be scum.

[VitaminR]

(I'd also like to point out that I referred to the mafia as "assassins" before N_Lich even did. Nobody seemed to have caught it, but the fact that I'm a mason should show that it's not necessarily a scumtell in any way, shape, or form.)

I did miss it, but I stand by my argument that it's a scumtell. "Not necessarily" is just in the nature of tells. Not everyone who does something is definitely scum, but having done so can still make a person more likely to be scum.

I don't like this reasoning at all. Feels like stretching it to make it fit rather than using Glork's point subjectively. In other games, I have seen nothing but sound reasoning from Fuldu and this stands out for me.

Vote: Fuldu

I do feel that N_lich's play has been unproductive, but it is not enough to warrant a vote from me at this point. His RA vote does not stand out for me.

I am not sold on the Broomhead wagon, but I think there is sufficient reasoning behind it. His vig comment was strange and his MMOD vote based on Alexander's suspicions was completely unwarranted.

Vote: Broomhead

[Yosarian2]

Alright, this day seems to be dragging on long enough. There seem to be two main suspects right now.

*Puts

Broomhead

and

N_Lich

on the official Execution List*

I personally, would rather execute Broomhead. He has more votes, has been scummier in my eyes, and N_Lich may just be inactive right now. Any objections before I drop the Glorkhammah?

Well, I'd rather Broomhead be given another chance to either claim or to at least try to defend himself first. He's done some suspicious things, and if we had to lynch someone right now it'd probably be him, but there's no rush.

[mystery meat of doom]

Personally I'd rather have Broomhead executed, but that's retaliatorical. I'd have to reread sometime tonight or tomorrow night (driver's ed at day, damn).

[Fritzler]

Also, IGMEOY still, Fritz.

:hey:

[elvis_knits]

(I'd also like to point out that I referred to the mafia as "assassins" before N_Lich even did. Nobody seemed to have caught it, but the fact that I'm a mason should show that it's not necessarily a scumtell in any way, shape, or form.)

I did miss it, but I stand by my argument that it's a scumtell. "Not necessarily" is just in the nature of tells. Not everyone who does something is definitely scum, but having done so can still make a person more likely to be scum.

I don't like this reasoning at all. Feels like stretching it to make it fit rather than using Glork's point subjectively. In other games, I have seen nothing but sound reasoning from Fuldu and this stands out for me.

Vote: Fuldu

Fuldu's just saying that "tell" doesn't mean it's 100% accurate.

I don't understand why you'd vote him for this.

[broomhead]

well i didn't want to say this, but glork, please don't kill me, i know you're innocent and that's why i really don't want you to

try

and kill me if you know what i mean. what my main plan was to create subtle suspicion about myself until a king that i thought was scum was elected, then i would start acting really bad and see if i could get a lynch on me to backfire on a scum. i guess my plan backfired because i "layed it on too thick" instead of creating a little suspision. i'll start acting more town now that everyone knows my role.

[Shamrock]

That's an interesting way to play that role, I hadn't thought of that.

Obviously we don't want to kill broomhead, in that case (unless someone counterclaims).