Mini 1207 - LIPD Mafia: Game Over!

[Hinduragi]

Please, trust me on this, Vifam is Mafia

SGR is town.

[Vifam]

Hey, Riddick, considering your lack of pointless agression and considering your straight-forwardness, I'm guessing I'm talking with Faraday.

Please, trust me on this, Vifam is Mafia, I am so sure, but so sure of this, I will literally eat a hat and eat it if he isn't.

Yes, I will pick a hat, and use my mouth to ingest it if Vifam isn't Mafia.

That's how sure I am

Lolnopex2

[SGRaaize]

Please, trust me on this, Vifam is Mafia

SGR is town.

Yes

[Vifam]

That was obviously towards Diamond's claim, not the game overall.

It doesn't matter if it's short term or long term because it showed the mindset I quoted.

I don't see it, explain a little more.

[SGRaaize]

Vifam, this is completely unrelated to the game at hand, but can you please join MSN? Need to talk to you

[Vifam]

Vifam, this is completely unrelated to the game at hand, but can you please join MSN? Need to talk to you

I can't, get on Steam.

[SGRaaize]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhh, fine

[SGRaaize]

Also, y u so maf, bro?

[Hinduragi]

That was obviously towards Diamond's claim, not the game overall.

It doesn't matter if it's short term or long term because it showed the mindset I quoted.

I don't see it, explain a little more.

You said "it's only for the claim" which doesn't matter because you're flexible to go either way depending on what everyone else wants to do. You want to APPEASE everyone else, NOT determine if it was an ACTUAL fakeclaim or not even though you said you DIDNT think it was real.

[Vifam]

That was obviously towards Diamond's claim, not the game overall.

It doesn't matter if it's short term or long term because it showed the mindset I quoted.

I don't see it, explain a little more.

You said "it's only for the claim" which doesn't matter because you're flexible to go either way depending on what everyone else wants to do. You want to APPEASE everyone else, NOT determine if it was an ACTUAL fakeclaim or not even though you said you DIDNT think it was real.

Except I'm not trying to "appease" anyone, I'm going with what is seen as the optimal play.

[SGRaaize]

No you aren't

[Vifam]

No you aren't

We had two ways of going about this:

1. Letting Diamond be


2.Lynching Diamond


The majority of people of the time saw option two was the most favorable play. So yes, I was.

[Wickedestjr]

once I can get a read on Pine.

that was a bit out of left-field

I wanted to post all of my thoughts at the same time. Once all of the players had given me content/thoughts to try and work with.

Focusing on nothing but the big bandwagon makes you scum. It gives you an excuse to ignore scumbuddies and still look like you are doing something. I'm rather surprised you even asked that question.

Tunneling isn't a scumtell. I don't deny that I have been tunneling, but I don't see anything wrong with it. We only have to lynch one player. When I'm finished catching up I plan to contribute all of my thoughts, but until then, in the first 7 and a half pages I haven't noticed anything really suspicious from anybody else (my other suspicions at this point are mostly based off of gut feelings and POE).

You also seem to be calling my suspicion of SaM opportunistic. I was the second player to vote for SaM and I hadn't even seen the first vote when I cast that vote (the two votes were a few minutes apart). Even if I had noticed the first vote, note that the first player to vote SaM was you, the only suspected player in the game who also had a serious L-3 bandwagon. My vote and suspicion of SaM is hardly opportunistic, imo.

[Wickedestjr]

Response to SaM is below. The only reason I'm quoting everything is because SaM's post was 10 pages ago:

2. "Yeah it is" isn't a valid point. Why did I say that? To make a point.

2. You're right. "Yeah it is" isn't a valid point... that's why I explained my opinion. I think you must have missed this:

How can you scumhunt without stating your suspicions? If you are actually a townie then you shouldn't be waiting for us to tell you to do something. Also, if it isn't that big of a deal, then why did you say this:

Well, aside from Lady Lambdadelta, you haven't expressed suspicion of anybody. So it is four pages into the game and you don't actually have any suspicions. You're scum.

I dont think I'm the only one who "hasn't expressed suspicion".

3. Sure, that was your point if you want. Cool beans.

3. No defense at all? Why did you think a Slaxx lynch based on the first page was a possibility?

5. Whats the point of asking this question? You know why. Its like asking why is the sky blue when you're looking at an ocean and already know the answer.

5. Misread the "undermining me" part. Even though I now understand it, that point seems like a weak stretch. What do you mean when you say I'm establishing myself and why is that suspicious?

6. I disagree. You are surmising that if I didn't believe it possible = science is scum. How is that a fair conclusion? And I wouldn't because I'm town. Why did I bother answering your questions at all if I wasn't trying to be helpful? I even bothered correcting myself so I could be as accurate as possible.

6. a.) Have you ever seen somebody get lynched based on something they said on page 1 in a mafiascum game and do you think it happens often? b.) I'm glad you took the time to provide correct answers to my questions, but that is irrelevant. My point is that I didn't explain the reason for asking the question in case you were scum planning to lie. There was no way I could possibly know how you'd respond so I don't understand your argument here. I have another question for you; was there any harm in waiting for your answer before explaining the reason for my question?

7. This doesn't make sense. I answered your questions after you voted for me. Let me say this again for those who did catch it. Wicked's reason for voting for me is established after he votes for me, read #22, #28, #29, #71. He admits to this himself in #162.

7. I had a point against you before seeing your response to my questions and I've explained why I didn't give the reason immediately (see my response to 6). Your response to my questions just strengthened my point.

8.

#37 is inherently shedding suspicion on Slaxx. You'd have to be really dense not to realize that.
#67 again I am questioning Slaxx, making him clarify his position. Shit isn't complicated.
#70 I cast suspicion on Diamond, forcing him to come to terms with what Hind said. He answers in #148 and I find that satisfactory.

Again, you'd have to be really dense not to understand these posts. The other more logical possibility is that Wicked is feigning ignorance to make a terrible case against because he doesn't have any real material to do it with.

8. Post #37 - Maybe you were, but you never said you suspected Slaxx in this post (or IIRC, never in any of your posts prior to me calling you out for it). If you were actually implying suspicion, then your post was IIoA, like I said before.
Post #67 - ...IIoA
Post #

8

0 - ...IIoA
All IIoA. It is really easy to bring up a point against somebody or ask questions but that doesn't force you to take a stance. You could easily say "I never suspected them but wanted to clarify this point" or something along those lines.

[AlmasterGM]

Read up, but not much time to type. Super abbreviated notes -

Cop+Doc was cool like 10 years ago. That said, there is something about Cop+Doc that is appealing to people running their first game. I did it in mine. So that's fairly null, but the doctor will have to be taken care eventually so we might as well let it go. There is also the possibility Mastin2 is lying about being a miller, but I think this unlikely (even though his reads are mostly crappy).

Otherwise,

vote: unvote, vote Vifam

[AurorusVox]

Day 1 | Votecount 11: The "Just Played 9 hours of Halo 3" Votecount

AlmasterGM

(0)

charter

(0)

Diamondilium

(4) - mastin2, gorilla, Science and Magic, Vifam

[L-3]

gorilla

(0)

Hinduragi

(0)

Hoppster

(1) - Riddick

[L-6]

mastin2

(1) - Diamondilium

[L-6]

Riddick

(0)

Science and Magic

(2) - Wickedestjr, charter

[L-5]

SGRaaize

(0)

Slaxx

(0)

Vifam

(3) - Hinduragi, SGRaaize, AlmasterGM

[L-4]

Wickedestjr

(0)

Not Voting (2) - Slaxx, Hoppster

With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch

Deadline is

9:00am GMT, 2nd August 2011

. That's in (expired on 2011-08-02 04:00:00).

• Slaxx is V/LA from Monday until ?

[Slaxx]

Wicked, youve been promising reads on other people for quite a while now.

AGM's catch up post sucks.

Mod, just stick me on LA for until start of August, I'm already feeling quite a bit better

[Slaxx]

In fact, Diamond Scum=AGM scum. Easy peasy.

[Science and Magic]

lol Wicked. Oh you. Oh u.

AGM's catch up posts suck.

Fixed that for you.

People I think are most likely town (e.g people I wont wagon)

mastin2
Hinduragi
Riddick
Hoppster
SGRaaize
charter
Slaxx

So Diamond or Vifam, I dont care at this point. D1 is getting stale.

[SGRaaize]

Get your buddy Vifam, we let you live until tomorrow

Sounds like a deal!!!

[Science and Magic]

lol k

vote: vifam

[gorilla]

hm

i'm really suckish at organizing my thoughts and knowing what to post early in games

I still like my diamond vote tbh, vifam is ehhh because although the vote was kind of bad not much else about him looks like scum motivated action to me

[Hinduragi]

I wonder what kind of knots Vifam likes.

[mastin2]

Read up, but not much time to type. Super abbreviated notes -

Cop+Doc was cool like 10 years ago. That said, there is something about Cop+Doc that is appealing to people running their first game. I did it in mine. So that's fairly null, but the doctor will have to be taken care eventually so we might as well let it go. There is also the possibility Mastin2 is lying about being a miller, but I think this unlikely (even though his reads are mostly crappy).

Otherwise,

vote: unvote, vote Vifam

^Scum, failing to address SO many issues. Like the even-night vig IN ADDITION to the cop.

Seriously, vigs and cops have the same function in a game.

He also leaves open a seriously bad fencesit on me. Additionally, this is AT LEAST the fourth vote on Vifam, if not closer to a lynch.

Pure scum vote.


Vifam-SGR was townVtown, by the way.

[Slaxx]

Agree with Mastin.

Such a weird thing to say >__>