NY135: Sexy Sedilla Semi-Open - Town Wins

[Oversoul]

EBWOP:

Followed by a weak vote, using a dead confirmed town player as a justification.

I smell a bus.

Clearly Ethos was a dangerous player to scum as he wa killed night 1. If you are looking for discrepancies in my playstyle and attitude, you will find them. I am curious as to what the other players who have seen me as town think of your hunch.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP:

Followed by a weak vote, using a dead confirmed town player as a justification.

I smell a bus.

Clearly Ethos was a dangerous player to scum as he wa killed night 1. If you are looking for discrepancies in my playstyle and attitude, you will find them.

I am curious as to what the other players who have seen me as town think of your hunch.

So your way to save yourself is to Appeal to Authority?

UNVOTE: VOTE: Oversoul

[Oversoul]

EBWOP:

Followed by a weak vote, using a dead confirmed town player as a justification.

I smell a bus.

Clearly Ethos was a dangerous player to scum as he wa killed night 1. If you are looking for discrepancies in my playstyle and attitude, you will find them.

I am curious as to what the other players who have seen me as town think of your hunch.

So your way to save yourself is to Appeal to Authority?

UNVOTE: VOTE: Oversoul

Your complex mechanics of scum tells are lost on me. You are either scum or too lazy to read the thread to see that I am town in most of the players' eyes. That is why I made the comment. And my reasoning for my suspicions of Kanye in the beginning were because Ethos suspected him. After Ethos stated I was newb Townie and got into an argument with Ythan about my towniness he was basically golden in my eyes so I sheeped his opinion on Kanye. With Chair's flip I also think that Kanye would be scum evause he tried so hard to get Chair lynched.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP:

Followed by a weak vote, using a dead confirmed town player as a justification.

I smell a bus.

Clearly Ethos was a dangerous player to scum as he wa killed night 1. If you are looking for discrepancies in my playstyle and attitude, you will find them.

I am curious as to what the other players who have seen me as town think of your hunch.

So your way to save yourself is to Appeal to Authority?

UNVOTE: VOTE: Oversoul

Your complex mechanics of scum tells are lost on me.

You are either scum or too lazy to read the thread to see that I am town in most of the players' eyes.

That is why I made the comment. And my reasoning for my suspicions of Kanye in the beginning were because Ethos suspected him. After Ethos stated I was newb Townie and got into an argument with Ythan about my towniness he was basically golden in my eyes so I sheeped his opinion on Kanye. With Chair's flip I also think that Kanye would be scum evause he tried so hard to get Chair lynched.

Scummy things with the bolded:

1) False dichotomy (You're either scum or you don't read!)
2) Appeal to Authority (I'm town because all these OTHER players say I am, right guys?)

[mastin2]

VOTE: SpyreX

Again, the Oversoul-LLD interaction does not look townVtown, but this needs to happen today, instead.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: SpyreX

Again, the Oversoul-LLD interaction does not look townVtown, but this needs to happen today, instead.

You're REALLY trying hard to setup my mislynch, aren't you Mastin?

[mastin2]

Yes and no.
Yes, in that your statement is accurate.
No, in that there's three letters you added which I would drop from the statement.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes and no.
Yes, in that your statement is accurate.
No, in that there's three letters you added which I would drop from the statement.

Can I drop your arrogant ass out of this game instead?

[Magister Ludi]

Ok, we're in the day before lynch or lose in all likelyhood (given four scum). I'm in favor of a massclaim here.

Also,

Fos:
a. MrZepher
b. Mastin2
c. Idher

[xRECKONERx]

kanyeknowsbest (1): Oversoul
Oversoul (1): LLD
SpyreX (1): mastin2

Not voting: MrZepher, Magister Ludi, kanyeknowsbest, Îdher, SpyreX, kunkstar7

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2011-08-09 11:00:00).

[mastin2]

Ok, we're in the day before lynch or lose in all likelyhood (given four scum). I'm in favor of a massclaim here.

Also,

Fos:
a. MrZepher
b. Mastin2
c. Idher

Ah, good. Howabouts you start us off, then?

Additionally, where's the Idher suspicion from?

[Magister Ludi]

Its been building. Don't be upset mastin. Your death is coming. It is assured.

And for the massclaim, I'll wait until everyone gets in here and confirms we're doing it, and then I can start off, popcorn style.

[mastin2]

The person suggesting the MC doesn't wait for people to give feedback on the MC. They just do it, quickly, without hesitation. You have suspects, you have reasons to want an MC today (day before lylo), you begin.

NOW.

Or are confirmed scum. Claim or die, Ludi.

[Magister Ludi]

That is so anti-town its not funny. There is no need to rush, hahaha. The reasons I want a MC today the day before lynch or lose is the reason every town player wants one, to lock scum into their claims.

And yes, the person suggesting it is in fact waiting for feedback.

If a cop shows up with a guilty on scum, we put off the massclaim until tomorrow. There are several reasons to wait until everyone confirms about massclaim, all of them very town.

~~~

But vote me if you just can't help yourself. Lose control mastin, its already slipping apart. Pound for pound, extracting you flesh is going to be the sweetest treat of all.

[mastin2]

The reasons I want a MC today the day before lynch or lose is the reason every town player wants one, to lock scum into their claims.

Exactly! And everyone knows this.

EVERYONE.

Meaning, you'd get no objection and in fact would just get a lot of support.
I never debated this. I said you had plenty of reasoning already for an MC.

BUT YOUR DELAY MAKES YOU SCUM.

There's NO pro-town motivation to wait.

Cop claiming with a guilty?
Really?
Like that wouldn't happen in someone's first post on the day before lylo?

You're stalling.

Pure and simple.

No pro-town player suggesting an MC the day before lylo, would wait on the MC. THERE IS NO REASON TO WAIT. It's common site meta, standard practice, to have the MC the day before lylo. THERE WOULD BE NO OBJECTION.

And you already offered to go first. Meaning,

THERE IS NO REASON FOR YOU TO WAIT.

Your hesitation, makes you scum.

[kanyeknowsbest]

yo ludi, idher is still obvtown as fuck.

Yosarian2

(8): Lady Lambdadelta, mastin2,

Untrod Tripod

,

Chair

, SpyreX,

Empking

,

Hiraki

, MrZepher

Untrod Tripod

(9):

Chair

, mastin2,

T-Bone

,

Ethos

,

Hiraki

, Magister Ludi, MrZepher,

Yosarian2

, kunkstar7

Empking

(8): SpyreX, Magister Ludi,

T-Bone

, kanyeknowsbest,

Yosarian2

, Oversoul, Lady Lambdadelta,

Empking

Chair

(6): SpyreX, kanyeknowsbest, mastin2,

Yosarian2

, kunkstar7, LLD
Lady Lambdadelta (5): kunkstar7, Îdher, MrZepher,

Chair

, Oversoul

Other wagons of note
Ethos (5): kanyeknowsbest,

Untrod Tripod

,

Hiraki

, SpyreX, Mastin2
Empking (5): Îdher,

Ethos

, kunkstar7, Lady Lambdadelta,

Yosarian2

before we massclaim or anything like that, who'd like to analyze some wagons with me? id love to analyze some wagons :)

for instance that empking claim wagon. i think thats 100% town. kid claimed at L-4 and probably thought his team was about to bus him in short order. kunkstar is the only one here i have issues with calling town.
zepher still looks scum as hell here, and mastin doesnt look very good either. ill look at these wagons a little bit more, but i remembered there were some mastin posts i wanted to look into if chair flipped town.

p-edit: some people havent checked in yet today mastin, you cant say theres no cop evidence yet and regardless i would wait for everyone to check in as well. im rly uncomfortable with the way youre pushing ludi here.

[Magister Ludi]

Mastin, vote me if you dare you pirate-logic knave. I have no time to read your useless posts with insane logic (that is very anti-town to boot), much as you tried to stonewall away beautiful innocent town chair's case on you with the fact that he was 'confirmed scum'. Yeah, everyone else, how did that work out for mastin?

(I'm not seeing idher as obvobvtown at all)

~~~

Ahhh, its good to have some town in this thread. Hello kanye! I like your thinking, I agree with most of what you said in that post. The untrod and yosarian wagons are very interesting.

[Magister Ludi]

Also, ethos was town, so mastin was on another town wagon.

[mastin2]

Let me put it this way.

If you're town, with a town mind-set, you go into today thinking, "day before LYLO, time to massclaim".
If you're town, who volunteers to go first, you go immediately, because you know that there's nothing to lose by claiming immediately. You display a town motive by immediately following through with your action.

Now to contrast.

If you're scum, you also realize it's standard site meta to do an MC.
If you're scum, who's been volunteered to go first, you think that you either have to follow through and do it immediately, or deny and potentially get suspicion on you. You feel the pressure of the request, and submit.
If you're scum, you don't want to claim immediately--you want to prod the town first, to see what kind of responses you'll get from everyone, see what you can use in your claim, see what can be taken advantage of, take a guess as to what people's roles are based off of their responses. You gain a lot of info for your fakeclaim.

In other words,

LUDI HAS NO TOWN MOTIVE TO NOT CLAIM IMMEDIATELY. LUDI HAS

PLENTY

TO GAIN FROM WAITING AS SCUM, BUT

NOTHING

TO GAIN AS TOWN!

[mastin2]

I have no time to read your useless posts with insane logic (that is very anti-town to boot),

Ludi is calling my posts useless, insane, and anti-town. This is a scumslip, because Ludi is NOT calling them scummy. Ludi's instead basically pushing a policy lynch of me.

Untrod Tripod (9): mastin2, Magister Ludi, MrZepher, kunkstar7

There's no way this is an all-town wagon. Four names on it unconfirmed. Ludi and I are both among them.

Here's a deal.

Let's take a gambit.

This has the potential to cost me the game if I'm wrong, but with Ludi's overall play today, I'm convinced I'm right.

Lynch Either me, or Ludi today, and if they flip town, the other one tomorrow,

no excuses,

no alternatives

,

one of us GUARANTEED

[/i]

.

[mastin2]

*Guaranteed was supposed to be italicized as well, hence the rogue [/i] at the end.

[mastin2]

Speaking of which,

Unvote, VOTE: Magister Ludi.

[mastin2]

Empking (8): SpyreX, Magister Ludi, kanyeknowsbest,

Oversoul

, Lady Lambdadelta,
Chair (6): SpyreX, kanyeknowsbest, mastin2, kunkstar7, LLD

There also needs to be 1-2 scum on Empking. Additionally, the Chair lynch couldn't have all been town, so there needs to be one scum there as well.

Both wagons have LLD and SpyreX on them.

[MrZepher]

Also... SpyreX is suspiciously missing from that list.

If you think this is a scum tell, then you're NOT reading things in context.
Fix that.
He already corrected the SpyreX thing.

Also, why are we voting Kanye right out of the night phase?

[mastin2]

We're not.

We're voting me or Ludi.

No alternatives.

We're Massclaiming, but the lynch today is either Ludi or myself. And if the one lynched flips town, lynch the other. Accept no others. No compromises, no alternatives, no backing out at the last moment for some trivial reason.

We're making this happen.