NY135: Sexy Sedilla Semi-Open - Town Wins

[kanyeknowsbest]

thats quite the gambit. what happens if youre scum and ludi is bookied? that loses us the game.

[kanyeknowsbest]

if this is genuinely a gambit you are interested in pushing mastin, would you be willing to make yourself the lynch for today on the premise that we would lynch ludi tomorrow?

[mastin2]

thats quite the gambit. what happens if youre scum and ludi is bookied? that loses us the game.

If anyone is bookied, it could lose us the game.

Quite frankly, I don't think the bookie has any shots left.

if this is genuinely a gambit you are interested in pushing mastin, would you be willing to make yourself the lynch for today on the premise that we would lynch ludi tomorrow?

Unvote, Vote: mastin2

. Now, you too.

[mastin2]

kanyeknowsbest (1): Oversoul
Oversoul (1): LLD
^Both of these names need to switch to Ludi or me.
Kayne also needs to vote one of us. Immediately--he seems to be hinting strongly at thinking one of us is scum. (In particular, me.) Follow through, Kayne. You're not exactly great by VCA either, you know. Don't add to the list of charges by not taking a stance.

And additionally, every single post Ludi fails to start the MC by claiming his role and popcorning to elsewhere is another post where Ludi admits to being scum.

[mastin2]

The wagon on me should be L-1 right now. LLD, Ludi, Kayne, myself.

Why isn't it?

Why aren't those players following through with their vague suspicions?

They afraid? Afraid that my town-flip screws them over?

I have one vote on me, now, and it's my own.

The fact that I haven't been voted, tells me that I'm right. That Ludi IS scum.

[Îdher]

I am here and reading. I have been all along. I discuss with or PM Ether my thoughts periodically.

As you know, my life has been very hectic as of late. It will clear up for the most part starting tonight.

I will do a more proper post asap, but here are my major suspicions:

-Magister Ludi. I honestly have a hard time conceiving a possibility of Ludi-town. KoC was flailscum as fuck and Ludi has not improved the slot at all.

-LLD. I was totally convinced that saporovirus was scum. LLD's initial replacement made me doubt a little, but her actions today - that 100% TERRIBLE Oversoul vote -- threw that out the window.

-SpyreX, but not anything close to the degree of the other two. Ether suspects SpyreX more than I do.

Oversoul, KKB, and Mr Zephyr are my strongest town reads.

VOTE: Magister Ludi

Ether, change this as you see fit, due to your larger presence in the game atm.


-Amrun

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: ludi

Because of my interactions with Ythan and his arguments between Ethos and Yosarian. That is why I feel Ludi is more scummy than Mastin.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Amrun, what about it was terrible?

As a matter of fact, why don't you explain ALL your reads to me.

Because, you've thrown down names that seem real nice at a glance, but you don't have any justifications.

tl;dr Elucidate for me.

[kanyeknowsbest]

i assume it was fairly transparent but im still happy with your response. im not nearly as suspicious of a bookied ludi now. im definitely less willing to vote you now and im going to have to think things through. i definitely want everyone to check in today before we lynch though.

p-edit glad 2 have you back amrun

p-p-edit oversoul, you cited something as a town read and then imply that it makes ludi scummy. explain.

[Oversoul]

Amrun has been suspicious of KoC for a while and she also has repeatedly claimed me as obvtown. MrZephyr I don't understand and neither do I for get KKB read.

I have more town reads on Mastin/Ythan than I do of KoC/Ludi that is why I feel Ludi deserves my vote. He is more scummy than Mastin.

[Oversoul]

Ebwop: For her

[mastin2]

-Magister Ludi. I honestly have a hard time conceiving a possibility of Ludi-town. KoC was flailscum as fuck and Ludi has not improved the slot at all.

-LLD. I was totally convinced that saporovirus was scum. LLD's initial replacement made me doubt a little, but her actions today - that 100% TERRIBLE Oversoul vote -- threw that out the window.

-SpyreX, but not anything close to the degree of the other two. Ether suspects SpyreX more than I do.

Oversoul, KKB, and Mr Zephyr are my strongest town reads.

Minus the KKB town-read, this is more or less my list as well.

Unvote, VOTE: Magister Ludi. L-2.

[MrZepher]

In my last post I didn't realize that there was an entire page I missed (followed the link throw the PM and somehow missed the page after)
Sorry.

As much as I'd like to vote ML, the threat of a bookie shot combined with Mastin's famous gambits are making me reconsider.
I'll vote more than likely in my next post.

[xRECKONERx]

Oversoul (1): LLD
Magister Ludi (3): Îdher, Oversoul, mastin2

Not voting: MrZepher, Magister Ludi, kanyeknowsbest, SpyreX, kunkstar7

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2011-08-09 11:00:00).

[SpyreX]

Quick check in but what in the HELL happened here?

I'll have real words tomorrow lets not do anything super awesome and have a lynch before then aight?

[mastin2]

Quick check in but what in the HELL happened here?

I'll have real words tomorrow lets not do anything super awesome and have a lynch before then aight?

^Scum posting.

[SpyreX]

Ohh man you got me.

Because this is retarded because you're both town. OHH SNAP.

[mastin2]

Ohh man you got me.

Because this is retarded because you're both town. OHH SNAP.

No, we're not.

Our interaction is not townVtown.

You'd know, as Ludi's buddy.

[SpyreX]

Your "interaction" is dumb but that doesn't change the components are town and town my lord man.

[mastin2]

Yeah, pretty sure Spy's scum. (No, Chair, you will not get to send that rant PM to me, since I'm fully aware that you were right on Spy being scum.)

But still.

Ludi should go first.

[MrZepher]

Wait, wait wait.

So what do we do if Ludi flips town?
Tomorrow Mastin's going to go after SpyreX with some ridiculousness that says "Oh well SpyreX can be scum independently of Ludi" or something, and avoid the lynch on himself.

OR

There's no bookie today, so any lynch is free game BUT should we lynch either Mastin or Ludi, the other will be bookied tomorrow based off of today's gambit.

AND/OR

Mastin and SpyreX are possibly scum together.

I call scum gambit.

Vote: Mastin2

Discuss.

(also, I'm really tired, so please correct me on any flaws in this logic)

[kanyeknowsbest]

this is the kind of bookie nonsense i was worried about at the top of the page, and is why i asked mastin if he was willing to go first. i did not consider the fact that scum could have held their bookieshot today and use it tomorrow, however. this means that even if mastin is town and ludi is scum, lynching mastin today would allow scum to take advantage of this tomorrow. likewise, ludi town mastin scum could end us up with mastin bookied tomorrow. i do not believe that someone is bookied today, but locking in a lynch target for the next day allows scum to bookie for a win. we cannot rule out the possibility that scum still has a shot and that a gambit like this will lead to that.

i will vote who i think is scum today without the caveat of deciding my vote tomorrow ahead of time. mastin, i will happily hear a case on ludi and vote him should i believe he is scum.

[mastin2]

So what do we do if Ludi flips town?
Tomorrow Mastin's going to go after SpyreX with some ridiculousness that says "Oh well SpyreX can be scum independently of Ludi" or something, and avoid the lynch on himself.

It's called a gambit for a reason.
I'm gambitting on Ludi being scum. Enough that I'm willing to be lynched. If Ludi flips town, my gambit will fail. I'll take full responsibility for the town loss, and will not stop anyone for voting me.

But in lylo, voting for myself would obviously be against me wincon, so if Ludi flips town, I'll be voting SpyreX tomorrow. But it'd be a spite-vote, since I know I wouldn't be followed and should be lynched, if I'm wrong about Ludi.

This is all moot, however, since Ludi is scum.

I would not have taken this gambit if I was not sure of the results.

The bookie nonsense needs to die.

Seriously, the vig only had one shot.
So too will the bookie, for balance reasons.

And even if the bookie didn't, then they must've used up their extra since then, because they've had two nights since night one. You really think they chose not to use an ability they are at constant risk of losing (via lynch or vig, their bookie could die any day), two nights in a row?

No. Just no.


STOP THE BOOKIE SPECULATION. That paranoia will only make you lose this game. The. Bookie. Is. Not. A. Threat. Get that through your heads.

Now, since that is clear to you, think about the situation again.

My gambit is flawless. Ludi is scum. SpyreX is scum. LLD's my current choice for third scum. (But I'm not sold. Idher and Oversoul are both so obv-town that if they're scum, they deserve the victory. Zepher's also someone I consider to be obv-town, I know my own alignment, and KKB is null. Kunkstar is also consistently null as well.)

mastin, i will happily hear a case on ludi and vote him should i believe he is scum.

My case was made on the page where I declared my intention to lynch Ludi or be lynched myself in the effort. Ludi had a pure scum mind-set going into the MC idea, and is STILL living, breathing scum in every post he continues not to follow through and claim. I made my voice quite clear then, gave a solid case from that page alone.

Shouldn't that be enough? Or do you want me to cover the whole game?

[mastin2]

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO STILL BELIEVE BOOKIE ON LUDI:

Well, that'd require people voting Ludi immediately, correct? Well, maybe Idher could. But let's look at the opening votes of the other two members of that wagon, shall we?

I guess the vig and bookie were one shots. :/

VOTE: kkb may ethos have been right.

(NOTE--LLD and Oversoul both vote KKB immediately. IF there was still a bookied target out there, it'd be more likely to be KKB.)

VOTE: SpyreX

Again, the Oversoul-LLD interaction does not look townVtown, but this needs to happen today, instead.

If Ludi was bookied, why was Ludi not voted until later?


FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO STILL BELIEVE I AM BOOKIED:
Refer to the extreme lack of votes on me. Zepher is the only current vote, and is the second vote on me...with the other vote coming from me.



Seriously.
No.
Bookie.
Talk.

It dies. NOW.

[kunkstar7]

Seriously.
No.
Bookie.
Talk.

It dies. NOW.

QFT.

In any case, Mastin's move on Ludi is blown wayyy out of proportion. Why the hell would you just claim straight away without getting any input on the MC from the town? Ludi's comments there seem in line. LLD needs to go now.

Vote: LLD.

The fact that she got to L-1 yesterday and the wagon died in favor of the Chair wagon only fits further with the previous Empking interactions which made her slot obvscum to begin with.