ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[SpyreX]

One last time and I swear I'm done with this for today but lets go over JUST THIS PAGE god in heaven:

1.) Ben says Empking is scum because he was given a safeclaim from the mod that the mod gave to someone else. (note: while Empking is scum this shows the pants on head here)
2.) Ben says that mafia is the threat TODAY.
3.) Ben says that Empking is scum and still pushes the recruitment angle UNDER the guise of getting Esp and I (unrecruitables) lynched.

Seriously all that is missing is:

4.) Ben just claims cult. Seriously.

YES I know Ben is waaaay more likely to be recruited than recruiter but god in heaven I dont know what else you can want. WHAT MORE DOES IT TAKE.

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Hindu you've went crazy and "How could you see me as a CR" by itself is the same as busted scum going "But how could I be scum?"

[Hinduragi]

I think it's something in the choice of words, man. Plus the how could I be scum thing is more of a defensive move because you want something to defend yourself against rather than just saying it outright.

[SpyreX]

Kinda like a CR with the added benefit of this being madness right now, rite.

Not that I'm sold on CES being a CR by any wide margin BUT.

[ooba]

Vote Count

Benmage (2)

- Empking, SpyreX

Nexus (1)

- Hinduragi

Hinduragi (2)

- Cogito Ergo Sum, Lost Butterfly

Cogito Ergo Sum (3)

- Espeonage, Magua, Thor665

Empking (1)

- Benmage,

Not Voting (2)

- Locke Lamora, Nexus

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

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Deadline is in

(expired on 2011-07-30 23:59:59)

[Empking]

Did Empking even answer if he's unrecruitable??

STOP FUCKING ASKING THIS QUESTION

If he's scum or cult, the answer is worthless.
If he's town, it's in his best interest to lie.

No matter what he says, it doesn't matter because it won't be believed.

This sums up my feeling exactly.

But BM's argument that 1 for 1 is better than 1 for 0 is moronic.

[Lost Butterfly]

Oh Magua, you're going to love this because I know you won't be able to follow since we get our reads differently but here goes.

Explain the "obvious". Use small words. I'm slow.

I seriously don't understand why anyone would think I'm a CR here.

Now, CES-CR wouldn't say this. Why? I'm not really SURE why but my head says he wouldn't. It does that type of thing and it's never been wrong. I think it's because, hmm, his playstyle. I'm trying to think of how to describe it. I guess his CR-self wouldn't really comment on that. I mean, from a town perspective, that's exactly how I feel about being called ANY type of cult. His CR self? Nah. He'd either brush off the suspicion or go defensive or not say that sentence. I don't think I can describe it properly. Just trust me he isn't CR when/if I flip town.

I agree, actually.

CES: you still think hindu's cr? Shouldn't he be jumping on you as an obvious counterwagon by now? Now that i've said that it's invalid, of course but he's cutting down his options on who to lynch apart from him.

Also Hindu I'm pretty sure you being unfamiliar with this aspect of my meta wouldn't make you an idiot so we're clearly talking about different things.

[Magua]

So you claimed Embodiment of the Crone in order to draw out a town counterclaim?

What was your plan if that occurred?

Please to be explaining this to me, Ben. D4. You claim Crone. What would you do if you were counterclaimed?

[Magua]

VOTE: Empking

I think that Crone is the cult safe-claim.

I think that Benmage was recruited N2, and told of the Crone safeclaim N3 (which would mean AlmasterGM was recruited N3, which is the weak point of my theory, but there you go).

I think that Benmage was the suicidal recruit D3, D4, and now D5. Empking is distancing / bussing Benmage D4 and D5; Benmage was originally not doing anything to Empking, but is now distancing from him.

The key points for me is Benmage calling Empking scum/cult for not cc'ing him, when he was calling Empking town in the same situation D4. Similarly, today he calls Empking scum while at the same time positioning himself for an excuse to move off of the Empking wagon onto Espeonage/SpyreX based off of something that he's pushing Empking to do.

[Magua]

@Locke:

Thanks for replacing in. Please fucking post.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES: you still think hindu's cr? Shouldn't he be jumping on you as an obvious counterwagon by now? Now that i've said that it's invalid, of course but he's cutting down his options on who to lynch apart from him.

I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that going after me wouldn't be the right move even if it is the most obvious one. And he's still going after the wrong guy.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The problem with that theory, Magua, is the clearly genuine "benmage's claimed investigation doesn't match with my watch" reaction + I definitely don't see benmage abusing the self-vote meta as a recruit.

Empking being the CR who recruited the watcher is still possible though. It would explain why he wasn't immediately aware that benmage was lying.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I mean, it only took him 2 minutes, but hey, I'm fairly sure I would've realized straight away.

[Magua]

The problem with that theory, Magua, is the clearly genuine "benmage's claimed investigation doesn't match with my watch" reaction + I definitely don't see benmage abusing the self-vote meta as a recruit.

Empking being the CR who recruited the watcher is still possible though. It would explain why he wasn't immediately aware that benmage was lying.

I didn't even notice that Empking's N1 watch conflicted with Benmage's fake guilty on LB. It does make Empking's #1471 worse in retrospect.

(As for Benmage's meta: Self-metas are shit. Self metas that revolve around you playing like shit when town are shit^2.)

[SpyreX]

Empking is still waaay more likely to flip scum lets not do this again, please.

[Magua]

SpyreX, I agree with every single thing you've said about Benmage. I really have.

But I simply don't think he's the cult recruiter. And as such I don't want to vote for him.

[Espeonage]

Magua. I appreciate that you want Emp lynched but a vote on Emp is useless with the deadline this close. He isn't going to be lynched. Be helpful.

[Magua]

Nexus. I really don't think you're cult at all. So I'm going to be as polite as I can.

1) Deadline is 4 days away
2) I am being helpful.

[Magua]

EBWOP: Replace Nexus with Espeonage and the message may make sense.

[Hinduragi]

Why would Empking be cult over Nexus? I don't see it.

[Hinduragi]

And why would he not counterclaim and have Ben instalynched as scum? Why would he be that much more protective of his role?

[Benmage]

Empking is still waaay more likely to flip scum lets not do this again, please.

Says the Guy voting someone believed to be a RECRUIT!!!!

Lynch scum have cult nkd .... ill take that everytime.

[Benmage]

And why would he not counterclaim and have Ben instalynched as scum? Why would he be that much more protective of his role?

Ding din ding!!!! You don't not counterclaim someone you believe to be scum and fakeclaimin YOUR ROLE... lynch empking.

[Hinduragi]

...No. Why would scum with that not claim it to LOOK more town by doing so? It's obviously what a townie is SUPPOSED to do, right?

[Hinduragi]

I think I'd rather hear this from Magua. He's thought about it a lot and wouldn't be following a gut read on this.

[Magua]

Why would Empking be cult over Nexus? I don't see it.

Why would Nexus be cult over Empking?

Or to be less snarky: the thing going against Nexus at this point is that he's a lurking lurkfest, and...that's about it. His posts are all very meh. Being a lurking lurkfest is bad, but I've seen Nexus do it as town. That is, his play here isn't actually below what I'd expect.

Empking, on the other hand, is capable of, if not verbosity, at least structured thought, which I'm not seeing here and I know he is capable of. And everything about the Benmage/Empking interactions seems off to me, and them both being cult is the easiest explanation in my mind for that.

And why would he not counterclaim and have Ben instalynched as scum? Why would he be that much more protective of his role?

Finally, from a cult POV, it's not about "protecting your role" as not being tied to a claim. Empking-cult wouldn't claim for two reasons:

1) He wouldn't want to get tied to a PR claim that could PoE him.

2) My operating theory is that this is a distance/bus, so he only wants to act like he wants Benmage lynched without actually getting him lynched, which is, in fact, how Empking acted D4. If it looks like Benmage isn't going to get lynched, he's happy enough to drop it (that is, he keeps his vote on Ben all of D4, but he doesn't interfere or even seem to care that its vezokpiraka who gets lynched at the end). It's all throwaway comments along the lines of "Ben is obv CR" that border on the nonsensical in their reasoning.