ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[Magua]

Who should we lynch today, Locke?

[Locke Lamora]

Empking. If there are 3 scum I don't see how we can do anything else. I'm becoming increasingly aware of how ridiculous this situation is as everyone posts analysis suggesting that there's only 1 or 2 townies left, and they're one of them. The fact is, cult want us to lynch scum (or maybe Esp, if he's not cult), and scum would like to be rid of the CR (or the SK, if Esp is telling the truth. I suspect both sides probably need the 1 or 2 remaining townies to help gain a majority, but scum have an NK anyway to take care of their business, so I'll go with the Empking lynch.

[Thor665]

@Hindu - you're voting the same way a self confessed scum is voting - what does this tell you?

[Empking]

@Hindu - you're voting the same way a self confessed scum is voting - what does this tell you?

Thaty Esp is cult.

[Thor665]

Even if Esp is Cult (or Sk, or whatever the fug), Hidu's vote only makes sense if Hindu is scum or is cult with a kill.

[Hinduragi]

@Hindu - you're voting the same way a self confessed scum is voting - what does this tell you?

1.) That you cannot properly determine alignment's based on votes.
or
2.) You are scum.

I'm leaning both of them together.

[Hinduragi]

Scum, cult, mafia. It's all the same thing. We've all known Thor was recruited since Day 4 or so.

[Thor665]

I'm not sure whether you're an idiot or I am - I'll choose to accept this as a 'not town' claim though. Not that I needed much convincing.

And, yeah, Thor was obv. recruit since Day 4, no ifs ands or buts about it. I've been in such a super obvious and strong position cult definitely wanted me to be one of their recruits.

[Magua]

Thor, you're better than this.

That's so scummy.

Goddamn, I'm a laugh riot.

But, no, seriously,

Espeonage

, kindly fullclaim.

[Hinduragi]

Also, magua is confirmed non-CR. Apparently he hasn't lost all his respect for me since I was asked to replace into [redacted] due to him. I would be a recruit right now if he was CR.

[Flameaxe]

Vote Count

Empking (2)

- SpyreX, Espeonage

Espeonage (2)

- Hinduragi, Empking

Not Voting (4)

- Locke Lamora, Thor665, Magua, Nexus

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

[Magua]

Espeonage continues to be on site and posting, just not here.

So, yeah.

I really don't think Hinduragi's the recruiter. He seems, if anything (*again*) like a suicidal recruit trying to attract the kill.

Which leaves SpyreX or Espeonage. Nothing about Espeonage makes sense. If you have three kills, and you and you can either daykill or nightkill, *why* would you ever nightkill? You wouldn't. Why would he kill LB? It doesn't make sense in any scenario -- if he wanted to shoot scum, it would've been Empking, if he wanted to shoot a cult recruiter, it would've been Hinduragi or Nexus, if he wanted to shoot town, SpyreX.

SpyreX-as-fakeclaim is, I feel, just rampant paranoia. A lot of this goes back to his actions in getting SaintKerrigan lynched (which look a lot better for him in hindsight with knowledge of his claim) and his confusion about how he got the short end of the PR stick when Espeonage claimed uncultable and a daykiller seems quite real to me. His play has been...meh...but...yeah, I just can't see anything but SpyreX-town.

So, good luck Empking's buddies, and may the Seven guide your shot well. Were I you, I'd shoot Espeonage. Have fun.

VOTE: Empking

Hinduragi, it'd be great if you could switch. kthx.

[Magua]

@Empking:

You could out one of your goon buddies, and lynch them instead. Gives you another watch to find the recruiter.

[Hinduragi]

Mod: Can the recruiter successfully recruit tonight if he dies the same night he attempts to recruit?

[Magua]

Reading: It's Not Just For Breakfast Anymore

I'm assuming that it doesn't, because of this.

[SpyreX]

Can we get this party started already?

I agree with nothing Esp did making any sense BUT I still dont see how those kills + cult work if he's the recruiter in any scenario but one of the ones I listed in the before times.

[Magua]

The problem is that the kills don't make sense for him being an SK either. So it's kind of...yeah.

The possibilities are:

Hinduragi is outplaying me.
SpyreX is outplaying me.
Espeonage is the cult recruiter.
WILD MYSTERY PR FAILURE OPTION

I'm going with the Espeonage one.

[SpyreX]

I think if Esp is SK and gets shot I lose though. Unless I missed something in my ramblings. If the cult is good at this game the best I can hope for is a scum/cult/me end game and lynching cult for a draw.

[Magua]

I'm assuming that Empking's fakeclaim is of the order of, "You know that the Embodiment of the Crone is not in this game." If it's a full Role PM with flavor and powers and whatnot, then I'd be more leery of SpyreX. But while I can see a cult recruiter being given Maiden as a fakeclaim, I don't see them pulling it off with the consistency of someone who's really unrecruitable and is trying hard to figure out why other people get to be unrecruitable with additional powers.

I think if Esp is SK and gets shot I lose though. Unless I missed something in my ramblings. If the cult is good at this game the best I can hope for is a scum/cult/me end game and lynching cult for a draw.

Pretty much, yep.

[SpyreX]

The flipside is if Emp WAS cult recruiter WHY wouldn't he have jumped on the simple train of thought I have and went "yea I have full kills" all but guaranteeing he doesn't get shot?

Hell, why not do that anyways?

[Magua]

THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. PERHAPS ESPEONAGE COULD ANSWER FOR US WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH HIS MIND.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooor, he can lurk.

[Magua]

Or, to be less snarky.

Nothing about his claim makes sense.

3-shot SK? No.
SK when there's only been two unaccounted for kills all game? No.
SK who can daykill but didn't daykill D2? No.

The simplest solution is that he's lying about his role. How is he lying? Dunno. Why is he lying? Dunno. Where did the extra kills come from? Dunno. But he's not a member of the scumteam, which makes him a member of the cultteam.

[Thor665]

But if he's member of cult team why is Spy alive? That's the part meting my noggin. LB was a recruit, not a kill, Spy was a kill not a recruit - derpt-doo, yeah?

[Magua]

But if he's member of cult team why is Spy alive? That's the part meting my noggin. LB was a recruit, not a kill, Spy was a kill not a recruit - derpt-doo, yeah?

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Espeonage pretty much confirm-killed LB (Empking has him visiting LB last night, Espeonage admits to it).

I was thinking that maybe cult could kill *or* recruit, and that Espeonage, having attempted to recruit LB N2 and failing, figured he was unrecruitable, hence cult, and decided to kill him. This would require AlmasterGM to have been recruited N3 (lulz) and to have been the Embodiment of the Warrior who daykilled CyberSet D4 (double lulz).

No, it doesn't make much sense. No, it's got holes in it a mile wide. But so does every other theory for everyone being cult recruiter. Hell, if there wasn't the AGM flip from N4, I would be touting the "ooba is lying, there's no cult" theory.

Most of my Espeonage suspicion is based around the fact that I simply do not believe there is an SK in this setup, and the fact that if Espeonage-SK was really going to claim, why does he not go all the way now instead of avoiding the thread?

[Hinduragi]

We lynch Espeonage today. This page is exactly why. Townreads on Magua and Spyrex. Sheeping me = town win. Seriously, has my play since suicide mode looked like suicide?