ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[Hinduragi]

Hit submit too early. Ah well.

8 people alive, 2(3?) are mafia, most likely 3 or 4 are cult. We're looking at anywhere between 5-7 scum. I'm really doubting it's 7 so it must be 5 or 6, meaning at least one of those second options doesn't exist. I am leaning towards 2 mafia. If we don't lynch CR today and the recruit can't go through, he kills a townie(which the cult can easily know who's town from reads alone) tonight and the mafia kills him. If he can still kill and was lying about 3-shot or having the N2 kill blocked, we're still fucked anyways. Or we can lynch mafia, guarantee the cult a win, and keep on going. I know what I'm doing. Fuck your "plan".

[Magua]

3 mafia today; see Empking's "9 unrecruitable" slip.

Not lynching mafia is a 100% guaranteed, non-refundable mafia win.

[Magua]

@Mod:

Prod Espeonage please.

[Flameaxe]

Done.

[Espeonage]

Here

[Magua]

HAI

HAI

ESPEONAGE

ESPEONAGE

FULLCLAIM PLEASE.

Like, everything. Especially your win condition and the details of Warrior being your fakeclaim.

THX

[Magua]

AND WHY YOU SHOT LOST BUTTERFLY

[Magua]

ESPEONAGE, IN THANKS FOR YOU HELPING US OUT

[Hinduragi]

Unvote

Magua, he's confirmed cult, at the least. We'll have to figure out the rest from here. I want to see why I didn't like your plan first, though. It didn't sit well with me.

[Magua]

I'm so happy to have this conversation with you, Hinduragi.

I will happily consider your opinion if you can do one of two things for me:
1) Convince me that there's not 3 mafia alive right now, or
2) Convince me how, with three mafia alive, we can win while *not* lynching mafia today.

Either or, your pick.

[Hinduragi]

ISO'd Empking. Agree with 3 mafia. Considering options now.

[Hinduragi]

Is it possible in any way that Spyrex is mafia?

[Hinduragi]

Nah, fuck that.

[Empking]

I'm so happy to have this conversation with you, Hinduragi.

I will happily consider your opinion if you can do one of two things for me:
1) Convince me that there's not 3 mafia alive right now, or
2) Convince me how, with three mafia alive, we can win while *not* lynching mafia today.

No Lynch

[Hinduragi]

I think mafia has some info about the cult that we don't too given the no lynch confidence. That or they hope the remaining townie wouldn't side with the cult in voting.

[Magua]

I think mafia has some info about the cult that we don't too given the no lynch confidence. That or they hope the remaining townie wouldn't side with the cult in voting.

Mafia require no inside information about the cult to prefer no lynch to a guaranteed mafia lynch.

You're grasping, and I'm having a hard time understanding why.

[Hinduragi]

Trying to figure out a way to see if there's any chance I can not have my wincon forcefully fucking changed overnight without blindly trusting the idea that CR has a recruit limit. You obviously don't have to worry about that problem. So hold the fuck up and let me think.

[Magua]

The grasping is that this isn't a difficult concept. You agree there's three scum. With eight players, at least one of whom is a cult recruiter, that makes a *maximum* of four town.

Three scum.
Maximum four town.

I'm struggling to see how it takes more than, I dunno, three, four minutes at the outside (being really generous here) to process that there is *no* plan that involves lynching non-mafia that results in anything but a mafia win.

The only question -- and where your time would actually be *productively* spent -- is who do the mafia shoot? Yet this question you ignore. You say that Espeonage is obviously cult -- hell, cult recruiter by the way you were straight up voting him -- but you disagree with my plan that the mafia shoot him. Why?

[Empking]

Unless we force the Cult to kill me. We know they can kill. We can deduce they're forced to kill. So we should presume they will kill.

[Magua]

Really, your mechanical play today only makes sense if you're scum, but I have a very strong not-scum read on you. So goddamn, I'm confused about what you think you're doing.

Unless we force the Cult to kill me. We know they can kill. We can deduce they're forced to kill. So we should presume they will kill.

Your theory, while fascinating, fails to address why Lost Butterfly was killed in preference to you.

[Hinduragi]

Someone please explain to me the sense in helping someone understand why they should lynch you.

[Magua]

Someone please explain to me the sense in helping someone understand why they should lynch you.

You need less pronouns for this to be understandable.

[Empking]

Unless we force the Cult to kill me. We know they can kill. We can deduce they're forced to kill. So we should presume they will kill.

Your theory, while fascinating, fails to address why Lost Butterfly was killed in preference to you.

Yes I know that when I'm scum I always target the next day's lynch victim.

[Hinduragi]

In short: Empking doesn't seem to care that he's helping himself die.

[Magua]

Yes I know that when I'm scum I always target the next day's lynch victim.

Your theory, while fascinating, fails to address why Lost Butterfly was killed in preference to you

or SpyreX

.