Newbie 1112 ÔÇô Game Over!

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• Deadline for Day 5 is Wednesday, 24^th of August 2011, at 11:20 CEST (UTC+2)

[BS2000]

I had no vote day 1 ultimately, but it would have been on brokenscraps, I only took it off so scraps would have a chance to redeem his slot. Day 2... yeah that was a bad choice. I was impatient and didn't want quadruple replacements to stall the game. I put my initial vote on juanpa because of the hammer, and i had no reason to take it off.

Also hiplops the only claimed power role (besides sigmas fakeclaim obv), and there is 1 power role per game, thus hiplop is town.

[BS2000]

So what are the judges' verdicts?

[camn]

I want more blood. Tomorrow is my day off. I will weigh in.

[hiplop]

MOAR BLOOD FOAR THE BLOOD GOD

[camn]

Alright, hiplop.. what should we do?

Looking throught the ISOs, I can see decent reasons either of these guys could be scum. . . but I am thinking Fourseen is more likely.. mostly because of the Johhog kill.

Lets reflect:
Johog was a pretty staunch defender of BS-town. He posited that Sigma and Fourseen were the team.
So if you are BS2000-SCUM... how do you kill that guy? You don't You kill Hiplop, leaving camn and your ally Johog to mislynch Fourseen.
That would be an easy win. No WIFOM required.

But what if you are Fourseen-scum? What then?
Kill Hiplop and you are left with camn/bs/johog-- instantly dead meat.
camn is confirmed by hiplop's flip, BS and Johog wont vote each other.. so that leaves you dead.

so can you kill BS2000? No way.

Camn and hiplop

wont vote each other, and Johog is practically confirmed following yesterday.
Kill camn? risky. The doc should be protecting there. And if it worked, then you are left with the BS/Johog power couple staring you down. Boo.

So obv..if you are fourseen, you have to kill Johog, as the least bad of a number of bad scenarios.
Why he didnt go after BS immediately, I dont know. Maybe he thought it would work, planting the seeds of doubt that we dont have a doc. maybe he didn't read the setup.
Doesn't matter. It seems impossible that BS2000 would have risked killing someone who would have defended him, especially given a clear target in hiplop.

I am ready to vote fourseen.
Hiplop- your thoughts?

[FourseenCircumstance]

@ Camm did you even read my wall post of your iso? And did you even read my entire argument on bs? Just curious.

[camn]

yes, and yes.

[FourseenCircumstance]

oh okay carry on.

[FourseenCircumstance]

And just saying BS could've easily used what you said in your recent post as his method of clearing himself.

[camn]

Expain the Johog kill.

[FourseenCircumstance]

This is how I see it.

It was laid out yesterday by a vast majority of the town that bs2000-johhog had been protecting eachother for a pretty extensive portion of the game and they looked reallly close. Johhog was as I saw it the most likely to be a swing vote in lylo TBH, he was really stuck on the cop claim as were you camm and he seemed to believe that you weren't 100% clear at the time. However; Johhog had made statements saying his top scum pair was me/sigma, then bs2000/hiplolp, and on an outside chance you/hiplop. The biggest question comes is why would the ONLY pair that bs2000 not suspect be left alive in lylo. It makes since now that he left you and hiplop alive because he wanted to clear himself by casting a doubt onto my previous suspecion that johhog and sigma were likely to be scum, although, i am still not convinced that there wasn't a no kill night one like bs2000 and glowball had hinted at. Therefore, by killing johhog he pretty much left you and hiplop alive to setup my dismay.

[camn]

You think Johog would have voted BS2000, and not you?

[FourseenCircumstance]

I think bs2000 felt that Johhog would've been harder to persuade to vote me then he felt you or hiplop would be in this situation.

[camn]

Hammer I guess. I think Fourseen is the other scum - he went quiet now - but we can't totally remove the possibility that BS2000 is the other. Unlikely though.

Also, the game isn't completely finished yet. There is an extremely small possibility that BS2000 is scum... but it feels unlikely.

[camn]

and whats this?
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3187337

I presented it as an option, because I've seen more experienced players do so to cause confusion and I don't want people to rule out anything, although as I said before it could have been on purpose or by accident-the bolded is more likely what happened I mean numbers wise people just aren't participating...

Yes, but there is a distinction between presenting an option and saying it every chance you get. I think we understood that it was possible when you said it the first time. You didn't need to bring it up again. Now, perhaps you want us to keep our options open so you can take advantage of that to deceive us later? Not to mention you brought up that because no one died during the night, the scum have no leads, which is false. I think you want to use this to deceive us. Well, I don't buy it. I've got my eye on you.

FoS: Glowball

in my world, "FOS" means "thats my scumbuddy"

[hiplop]

I do agree that fourseen is likely dying, but I do sisagree about the johhog kill; I think bs2000 could have done it to "confirm" himself, in his mind at least.

Tempted to vote Fourseen, it just seems too easy...

[camn]

Why would BS HAVE to... I live either way.. the choice was really between YOU and Johog for the nightkill. Johog repeatedly said he thought Fourseen was Sigma's partner....


hmm.

BS200, what do you think?

[BS2000]

Johhog was all for Sigma/Fourseen scum team. Killing Johhog wouldn't have made things any easier if I was scum.

If I was scum i would've lynched Hiplop. If I was in fourseen's position i would have killed hiplop. The Johhog lynch doesn't make any sense, it felt random. Or fourseen was just annoyed with Johhog and wanted him out of the game.

[FourseenCircumstance]

Johhog was all for Sigma/Fourseen scum team. Killing Johhog wouldn't have made things any easier if I was scum.

If I was scum i would've lynched Hiplop. If I was in fourseen's position i would have killed hiplop.

The Johhog lynch doesn't make any sense, it felt random. Or fourseen was just annoyed with Johhog and wanted him out of the game.

you've said that every time , but that only makes it even more believable that you would have killed johhog to make it look like I would kill him for a stupid reason like that.

[FourseenCircumstance]

@hiplop What are your final thoughts?

[camn]

You guys are both about as scummy as can be.

You should be thirsting for each others blood.
Both of you know exactly who the last scum is.. But you both sit meekly by, waiting.

It's pathetic. Where is the fury? Do you feel nothing for our dead town brothers?

[FourseenCircumstance]

I really don't know what else I can really say to convince you that bs2000 has been playing this game in the shadows the whole time, only to fly under the radar as sigma's partner.

[hiplop]

If I didn't know there was only 1 scum left, I would be voting both of you

[camn]

Agreed, hiplop.

@fourseen
If that is the case, then you are going to lose.
This is the essence of the game.

Maybe try asking BS2000 a question or two. Something provocative?
Show me his scumminess.
Or, alternately, show me your towniness. Were you particularly pro-town at all this game?

While you are at it, answer me this.
Post 814 seems to be a direct refutation to your post 813.
What are your thoughts in that area?