Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[ConSpiracy]

I've thought about it, and I do not think claiming home base matters.
#22, barber shop.
Though I want ooba to come with something very big, otherwise I'd like to see him lynched.

[Zdenek]

It seems to me that considering some abilities could effect an entire location there could be good reasons for some people not to claim their home bases. On the other hand, provided that certain roles aren't recruited (namely the watcher) it might be a bad idea for scum to target these locations if they were claimed. I guess I'm fairly indifferent to whether everyone claims this or not.

LLD could very well be scum considering her massive change in play styles from earlier in the game and her corroboration of the incorruptible flavour could have been purely opportunistic. Her lack of activity in recent days as we get closer to a lynch is also fairly damning.

[bvoigt]

Actually, I want LLD to mention the flavor name for cult docing. I don't think she ever did that.

[bvoigt]

I've thought about it, and I do not think claiming home base matters.
#22, barber shop.
Though I want ooba to come with something very big, otherwise I'd like to see him lynched.

Why?

[Yosarian2]

What I *REALLY* don't like, though, is Ooba

demanding

that a cult doc protect him, when we've got claimed vigs, a claimed cop, a claimed jailkeeper, and a claimed doctor. Really re-enforces my "ooba is scum" thinking here.

- Claimed cop covered by claimed JK. And till now I thought claimed JK was covered by claimed cop.
- Vigs were unrecruitable last game and even if not this game, should give Kinetic enough pause to really think about wasting a recruit attempt.
- Both cult-docs are unrecruitable

The doc serves no purpose unless you subscribe to the fourth faction Mafia theory - even if you take him into account, that leaves:
- BunnyLover
- Cobblerfone
- Conspiracy
- Flameaxe
- Amrun
- Ludi
- Me
By cult-docing me, you make sure that I watch one of the others and can use that as a confirmed pseudo "Wasn't recruited on N5" result. So basically we're forcing Kinetic to add another layer to his recruit thoughts apart from "Who'd make a good recruit", "Who'd be shot by the vigs" - "Who is ooba going to watch?"

Just because you can't think of the obvious town benefits doesn't make me cult. And "demanding" is a stretch.

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The vigs claiming their targets in advance is a bad idea.

And you don't think that the cult docs claiming their targets in advance is a bad idea? Or, even worse, the cult docs being directed to protect a certain person?

[Yosarian2]

Yosarian Johnson, Cook - No to the cult-doc on me; No comment on location claiming

I am already location claimed, and you know that since you brought it up. I think you're fairly likely to be cult, so I don't really see any reason to tell anyone else to go along with your plan.

[Cobblerfone]

Lady?

Why didn't you post?

And you don't think that the cult docs claiming their targets in advance is a bad idea? Or, even worse, the cult docs being directed to protect a certain person?

I know this was directed at Ooba, but I don't think it's terrible as long as that person can be confirmed town by Hero in the same night simply because I don't like doubt.

[ooba]

And you don't think that the cult docs claiming their targets in advance is a bad idea? Or, even worse, the cult docs being directed to protect a certain person?

Given that we're talking about (what looks like with Hero not claiming results) town's only remaining informational role, I don't think it is a bad idea at all.

Let's analyze the two scenarios:
- Bvoigt on someone else = Someone else protected from recruit
- Bvoigt on me; I watch someone else = I will know if Someone else is recruited that night; Plus I'm protected

So there's an added informational component in the night actions under my plan.

Of course, the caveat is that I could be cult and I am wasting one of the cult docs with the plan- but like I said - if you believe that to be the case - lynch me.

[ConSpiracy]

I've thought about it, and I do not think claiming home base matters.
#22, barber shop.
Though I want ooba to come with something very big, otherwise I'd like to see him lynched.

Why?

Because I do not think there is anything bad that involves home base.
Because I am getting back my scumread on him.

[Yosarian2]

I know this was directed at Ooba, but I don't think it's terrible as long as that person can be confirmed town by Hero in the same night simply because I don't like doubt.

If you don't like doubt, then you shouldn't have joined a cult game.

Seriously, we need the scum to not know who the cult doctors are going to protect, because otherwise they will succeed in culting 100% of the time. We want them to fail.

[ooba]

Seriously, we need the scum to not know who the cult doctors are going to protect, because otherwise they will succeed in culting 100% of the time. We want them to fail.

Good job not addressing the part where I say my plan is superior to a unclaimed protect & just amping up the paranoia.

[Yosarian2]

Ok, I'll respond:

Let's analyze the two scenarios:
- Bvoigt on someone else = Someone else protected from recruit
- Bvoigt on me; I watch someone else = I will know if Someone else is recruited that night; Plus I'm protected

1. Protecting someone from recruit, preventing a recruitment from happening, is much better for the town then you watching Kinetic recruit someone and then us lynching that person tomorrow, and fairly obviously so. The idea that we should waste a protection on you just so you can watch someone else makes no sense from a pro-town perspective.

2. All of this is assuming you're town, which is, well, a pretty thin assumption at this point. If you are scum, then you are trying to get the cult doc to waste their protection on someone who's already scum to make sure your cult recruitment succeeds tonight, or even if that doesn't work you're trying to get the doc to respond to find out who he's likely to target tonight.

3. And, of course, let's say for the sake of argument that tomorrow you do say "Hey, I saw the cult recruit X, X is scum". We still won't know if you're cult or not, and seeing as tomorrow could in theory be lynch or lose, it could easily be a scum gambit on your part. If it even happens; the odds of you actually getting information on any given night isn't all that big to start with.

[ConSpiracy]

Seriously, we need the scum to not know who the cult doctors are going to protect, because otherwise they will succeed in culting 100% of the time. We want them to fail.

Good job not addressing the part where I say my plan is superior to a unclaimed protect & just amping up the paranoia.

*sigh*
LLD, flip a coin. If heads, you protect ooba. If tails, you protect someone else.

[Yosarian2]

How about we DON'T TELL THE DOCTORS WHAT TO DO nor ask the doctors what they're going to do? This is not something we shoudl be planning in thread, period.

[bvoigt]

I've thought about it, and I do not think claiming home base matters.
#22, barber shop.
Though I want ooba to come with something very big, otherwise I'd like to see him lynched.

Why?

Because I do not think there is anything bad that involves home base.

Because I am getting back my scumread on him.

Why?

[Flameaxe]

As of right now, I really don't have any interest in location claiming.

[Amrun]

My location is fairly obvious.

I don't think we should be directing any docs but I get a town feel from ooba anyway.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I won't be location claiming.

[bvoigt]

Actually, I want LLD to mention the flavor name for cult docing. I don't think she ever did that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually, I want LLD to mention the flavor name for cult docing. I don't think she ever did that.

I was told not to?

ConSpiracy, is that still the case? If not, I'll gladly state it.

[Nobody Special]

I am not at all clear why Batt took a pool of five players, leaving me with a pool of eight, but.

For ease of reference, here's my pool:

B. Voigt
Cobblerfone
ConSpiracy
Herodotus
Ludi
Amrun (Tajo)
Yosarian
Zdenek

[Amrun]

You would consider shooting all of those?!

[Herodotus]

How about we DON'T TELL THE DOCTORS WHAT TO DO nor ask the doctors what they're going to do? This is not something we shoudl be planning in thread, period.

@NS: I think it's because your options among those 8 are limited.

[ConSpiracy]

I've thought about it, and I do not think claiming home base matters.
#22, barber shop.
Though I want ooba to come with something very big, otherwise I'd like to see him lynched.

Why?

Because I do not think there is anything bad that involves home base.

Because I am getting back my scumread on him.

Why?

Because he was fencing in the last few days.
The only thing he was vocal about was the location claiming and cult doc directing thing.

Actually, I want LLD to mention the flavor name for cult docing. I don't think she ever did that.

I was told not to?

ConSpiracy, is that still the case? If not, I'll gladly state it.

State it. Bvoigt will sadly not be lynched today.

[Herodotus]

1. Protecting someone from recruit, preventing a recruitment from happening, is much better for the town then you watching Kinetic recruit someone and then us lynching that person tomorrow, and fairly obviously so. The idea that we should waste a protection on you just so you can watch someone else makes no sense from a pro-town perspective.

I think that applies to Magister too.