Atomic Mafia (Over, the town is safe!)

[Amrun]

Sticking with a scumread is something that should be done, yes? Hence my vote on baby spice. She scumslipped.

Bunnylover I am null on; why would I vote there?

My point was that I don't think ooba has any conviction in his reads.

[Baby Spice]

Amrun, please point out this supposed scumslip.

[ooba]

My point was that I don't think ooba has any conviction in his reads.

Amrun, this is how I scumhunt
- I list down people as town as I get those town-reads
- By PoE, I get a list of people
- I try and look at associative links between them and flipped scum and see if I can figure out scum
- I also see if any individual posts scream scum to me

TBH, none of those three screamed scum to me in my re-read. Gandalf\BunnyLover were better lynches than Ani (again, purely based on what I felt) - so was unwilling to back a Ani wagon.
But something about that post from you sparked my scumdar - I know you're scum this game.

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@MoI: Shift back to Amrun please?

@Gandalf: Ani is like you in Battle for Olympus - generally scummy slot who rest of the town is wagoning. And I have a good feeling he might flip town and don't think it's the best choice. Amrun's equivalent is LC from that game. Vote Amrun.

@Rest of town:
I've been this sure only a couple of times in my games and my track record is great .. For reference ..

MoI, I really do not know if gandalf can be a Redirector SK but overall I have a town read on him. And the SK can be analyzed tomorrow (more info) since I KNOW LC is the last egyptian .. (and No, I am claiming role based info - more the confidence in my read)

I've already read the entire game once .. And I know you're scum ..

[Thor665]

I'd just like to see a bit more vote movement. The last 2-3 pages have been relatively pointless.

[ooba]

Was about to ask you why you didn't comment on my Amrun push before I saw you were voting for her.

Unofficial Vote count

Amrun (2): , Thor, Ooba
Baby Spice (4): Amrun, xRECKONERx, Spirituality, Animorpherv1
Thor (2): Baby Spice, Chronopie
Animorpherv1 (3): MagnaofIllusion, Ellibereth, Gandalf5166

not voting: bunnylover, T-Bone

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch!

[xRECKONERx]

I don't care about this game anymore. God. Can we do this shit.

[Thor665]

I'll still support a Reck lynch too.
Just saying.

[xRECKONERx]

YOU JUST GAVE ME AN ERECTION

[Thor665]

I have that effect on women and men.

[Amrun]

Really, ooba? You have no actual scumreads except for me, "just because?"

[Spirituality]

Here's something I noticed:

uhhh
I thought kanye was scum
I mentioned it at end of yesterday
didn't remember or take into account any of the compound things.
who made what kill was arbitrarily, I just let chrono deal with that.

Hmm... this seems weird. Considering DGB claimed bulletproof (and that you'd already tried to vig her and failed), why wouldn't you take care to avoid targeting her claimed compound-buddy?

At the moment the theory which comes to mind for me is that either DGB-ani or whoever the third member of their compound was, deliberately de-compounded N2 to break up the compound and you knew that their doing so would make kanye vulnerable to your vig shot.

Is there an alternative explanation? I don't buy that you'd just not notice kanye claiming to be DGB's compound-buddy.

I'm personally fine with some good ol' fashioned lurker pressure, but I'll do imaginality the courtesy of discussing it with him first since last time we spoke about the DGB/ani slot was a while ago and we both had a town read on her then.

I do think lynch on actively scummy person is > lynch on lurking scummy person though, due to relational tells and etc, so I'd still rather lynch Bunny if we can get some other people to see the light.

If you are calling this down to a lurker lynch then please do me the favor of looking at my case presented on DGB Day 2 and telling me what exactly is wrong with it.

We weren't saying it's solely a lurker lynch, more that it's a lynch of a lurker, if that makes sense. In other words, we agree there's more to the ani case than lurking, but because he's been less active than Bunnylover, there are fewer tells/connections to mine from an ani scum flip than from a Bunny scum flip.

[Ellibereth]

lolthisgame
is that imag or eusrio

[Spirituality]

imag

[Ellibereth]

>.>
That's wierd
I was betting on esu.

From your experience with me, you can't see me being absentminded about this sor tof stuff?

[Spirituality]

As an explanation, I'd find absent-mindedness more likely if you hadn't already had your first vig shot blocked because of their compound's bulletproofness. I'd've thought after that, you'd be pretty keen to make sure your next shot counted and would be paying a bit more attention to your target.

What tilts it more towards weird rather than being enough to warrant a vote is that since you discussed your targets with Chronopie, he must have overlooked this too. And as I mentioned earlier, I doubt both of you are scum (for balance reasons).

[ooba]

@Amrun
No strong scum reads apart from you - yes.

@Spirutuality
Actually, if you're just using setup balance as a parameter, only the N atom should be considered town. (That too assuming scum do not have a restrictive rule like: "Cannot be in the same compound together")
Why even mention the weird kanya kill if you're going to back down so easily though or already had them at some sort of "strong town" status? Also you leaned scum on Amrun earlier in the day, whats your stance now?

[ooba]

@Mod: Prods on Chrono and TBone please

[MagnaofIllusion]

Notice how Reck and Amrun are just floating along doing nothing and hoping wagon inertia kills Babyspice. Not the kind of actions I would expect to see from such a ‘Townie’ compound. Yes, that’s sarcasm.

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MoI:
When have I ever said not doing anything is town?
Im not saying creating a case is scummy.

I'm saying having 3 to 4 cases already up on the same day is what I find odd.

Basically lining up lynches. Oh this case fell through, on to the next one! That one failed too? On to the next one!

You yourself are doing nothing. You ostensibly claim you are Town. It’s not direct words but via actions.

The bolded is interesting – please indicate what 3 to 4 cases I have made in a single day.

Lastly – what is your opinion on players who don’t make cases but move their vote around on multiple wagons in a Day?

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Sticking with a scumread is something that should be done, yes? Hence my vote on baby spice. She scumslipped.

So your ‘scum-slip’ is that she believed Reck’s completely useless “We are confirmed Masons” crap? That’s laughable. Continue to sit around not scum-hunting.

UNVOTE: Ani
VOTE: Amrun

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@Gandalf: Ani is like you in Battle for Olympus - generally scummy slot who rest of the town is wagoning. And I have a good feeling he might flip town and don't think it's the best choice. Amrun's equivalent is LC from that game. Vote Amrun.

So let me get this straight … you are saying DGB was generally scummy (that’s where the read on Ani came from, mostly) and you are trying to equate her play level to that of Gandalf?

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At the moment the theory which comes to mind for me is that either DGB-ani or whoever the third member of their compound was, deliberately de-compounded N2 to break up the compound and you knew that their doing so would make kanye vulnerable to your vig shot.

Eh I don’t think this holds water. What I can tell about action resolution seems to be

1. Most other actions here.
2. Kills.
3. Compounding / Leaving
4. Compound Copping

I say this because ostensibly we got our N1 Role-blocks off (it would now explain why Friend couldn’t compound N1 since I blocked him) before Zdenek died. Then you joined the compound afterwards. So I don’t think someone could count on a departure to weakend a BP compound to achive a kill.

Also – why would scum leave in the first place? It’s Multiball so they are better off staying in a BP compound for protection from the other team / Vigs.

[xRECKONERx]

Notice how Reck and Amrun are just floating along doing nothing and hoping wagon inertia kills Babyspice. Not the kind of actions I would expect to see from such a %u2018Townie%u2019 compound. Yes, that%u2019s sarcasm.
Not the kind of actions I would expect to see from such a %u2018Townie%u2019 compound. Yes, that%u2019s sarcasm.

YOU?
A SARCASTIC DOUCHE?
YOU DON'T SAY

[MagnaofIllusion]

Fact remains ... you are just crusing down the river doing no scum-hunting or really anything other than whining about how you don't like this game, hoping for a BabySpice lynch on the basis of general Town lazyness.

Not exactly Townie behavior. Don't shoot the messenger ...

[Ellibereth]

can we just all agree to kill ani?
lurker etc. Night might bring motivation back

[xRECKONERx]

You know what I just want this day to end

Vote: animorpherv1

whatever. I'm going with this, Trihydrogen people, so you should probably join.

Vig, seriously, take me out tonight. I have no interest in this game anymore and I'm only going to be dead weight

[Spirituality]

I agree with MoI describing Reck and Amrun as 'floating along' (I'd add T-Bone too), and my sense of Reck-Amrun in particular being scumbuddies is getting stronger. The way Reck just happens to pop up as soon as MoI voted her fits with that, and "I have no interest in this game anymore" is a weak excuse for not trying to push things forward (until now, right after MoI called him on it).

Having more suspicion of Reck means I'm less inclined to give his town-read on Amrun much credit. So, since there's more votes on her than on Reck, our vote's going back on her. If they're scumbuddies who deliberately compounded together, that could explain why they've pushed their townreads on each other as hard as they have. But they both look scummy independently - Reck for relying on intimidation/snarkiness when pressured and not trying to catch scum, and Amrun for the points mentioned in our earlier post.

Unvote; vote: Amrun

Other stuff:

Actually, if you're just using setup balance as a parameter, only the N atom should be considered town.

That's what I said (that they're not

both

scum, just one (the non-N) at most).

I mentioned the choice of vig target because it's weird and I'm keen to see what others think about it. Also, I posted that thought before realising that Chronopie would've had to have overlooked kanye's bulletproofness too, not just Elli.

@MoI: That action resolution order can't be right, I think. Because that would mean kanye couldn't have been vigged at all last night, but he was.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@MoI: That action resolution order can't be right, I think. Because that would mean kanye couldn't have been vigged at all last night, but he was.

Well, depending on whether you believe Reck's explanation about his compound's Bulletproofness it can make sense. Reck has claimed that they were not BP to all kills. And Kayne was killed by Intoxication but DGB was immune to Burned Through.

@Ani / Other member of Ani-Kayne compound

- Please telll us whether your BP was explicitly limited as Reck has claimed.

[T-Bone]

Dammit, anyone know where that list of possible compounds went?