SMBM II: Defense of Yoshi's Island (Final! MVPs announced!)

[DemonHybrid]

I feel that there can't be two townies who ask the same exact anti-town question in a row. We can PoE through them if need be, but there's so much scum motivation between the two of them that I feel one of them need to die.

First of all, I never said I was 100% committed. Second of all, I didn't say that if one flips town, the other needs to die.

Well, actually, never mind.

Unvote

I can see how that can be misconstrued.

PoE = process of elimination through their actions, not their flips, but I can see how it can be taken the wrong way.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Isa

[projectmatt]

Demon

I feel that there can't be two townies who ask the same exact anti-town question in a row.

We can PoE through them if need be,

but there's so much scum motivation between the two of them that I feel one of them need to die.

Read the underlined. That's inadvertently setting up two specific lynches. I didn't claim you were one hundred percent committed. I'm saying at that point, I read you as scum for using bad logic in order to justify two possible lynches.

[DemonHybrid]

Yep, I re-read and was like "oh, I guess I posted this in a very non-specific way", and I thought you were commenting on the very end of the sentence.

That's a townish response. The projectmatt wagon is a bad wagon.

[David Xanatos]

I don't see it as such. The general feel from I've been getting is repeated deflection.

[DemonHybrid]

I meant it like "PoE: Sift through their actions and eliminate the need to lynch one of them, then lynch the other.", hence the end of the sentence. "one of them".

DX: Maybe, but I understand where he's coming from when it comes to his argument against me. I'll be keeping an eye on him, but I don't really favor his lynch right now.

Right now = key words.

[DemonHybrid]

Wow, I fucking fail at explaining myself

"PoE: Sift through their actions and eliminate the need to lynch one of them, then MAYBE lynch the other."

I've had a long day at work.

[projectmatt]

David

I don't see it as such. The general feel from I've been getting is repeated deflection.

Can you elaborate some more on this read? I really don't get it.

[DemonHybrid]

He's saying that everything you say shifts the focus onto other people instead of defending your actions.

[DemonHybrid]

I personally feel that he's explaining his actions within explanations of why he interacted with certain people. He certainly isn't presently blaming anyone.

[Parabollocks]

the interaction between Demon and Matt feels very TvT, i'm unsure of Kdca.

Vote: Isa

[David Xanatos]

Vote: Vifam

OMGUS vote

Unvote

It's time to quicklynch David Xantos. He is scum.

Vote: David Xantos

Deflection to me after I called you on the OMGUS

I feel that there can't be two townies who ask the same exact anti-town question in a row. We can PoE through them if need be, but there's so much scum motivation between the two of them that I feel one of them need to die.

Why are you setting us up for two specific lynches?

Asking somebody to explain their read isn't any kind of tell at all. Don't be that person.

Deflection to DH after people call you on your attack on me.

I feel that there can't be two townies who ask the same exact anti-town question in a row. We can PoE through them if need be, but there's so much scum motivation between the two of them that I feel one of them need to die.

Why are you setting us up for two specific lynches?

Asking somebody to explain their read isn't any kind of tell at all. Don't be that person.

Why is David scum?


At least bother to answer the question that started DH's derp vote on Xeras.

Why do you think I'm calling David scum?

"uuh.. uuh.. NO YOU TELL ME!"

Good enough.

Unvote

Did you honestly expect me to have a solid scum read on page one? The purpose was to get out of RVS conversation going.

"Uuh.. uuh.. I was kidding!"

No.

I'm saying that the fact that this happened:

Followed by this:

within the span of 5 minutes is fucking weird, and that I don't think that the BOTH of them could be town.

..Why? If a player says that "we should quicklynch player x, he's mafia!", the expected response to such a question is why? Both town and scum would be curious as to why somebody said this. Explain the scum motivation.

A little more deflection to DH. You were dodgy and when he misunderstood, you jumped on the chance to talk down at him.

I don't thin scum would look so obvious out of the gate.

This was directed at the Isa wagon, right? You think that a scum would intentionally act obvious? No. A scum can act scummy unintentionally. This logic hurts my head.

Vote: Xeras

Vote based on pure idiocy, looks to be deliberate misunderstanding, deflecting to Xeras for daring to suggest that Scum tend to have more tact.

My bad. Your logic is still a tad illogical though.

Good news is, I was wrong about me finding it weird and Xeras/Vifam are probably town. See how magical RVS is?

I don't like this post. Did Xeras and Vifam objectively towntell to you, or did they just prove that you were attacking them based off of faulty logic? Why are they now town reads?

I've been told that apologising is also a Scumtell.. not sure where I stand on that personally but this seemed like a very hollow one.. followed by questioning over something that to anyone following the situation was reasonably obvious.

Just in case you didn't know, the vote on David wasn't a "joke". It was a pressure builder and an attempt to get the discussion out of RVS.

Excuses, despite more or less admitting the vote wasn't serious earlier.

Could go on but I haven't compiled my notes past this point.

[projectmatt]

Not going to quote everything on David's wall. Just some notes:

1. My first vote was an OMGUS in the silliest form, because we were in the middle of page on in RVS.

2. So, what you are trying to say is that I got worried that you called me out for OMGUS'ing, decided to declare you an obvious scum to try to get you lynched, and then I decided to screw with Vifam by saying "why do you think I called David scum?".

The very simple fact that is that I was trying to pressure David and get people to play SERIOUSLY. I don't understand why this is very difficult to grasp.

[David Xanatos]

So you're saying that you were, let me get this straight, using a vote of the "silliest form", to get people to play seriously?

That's a load of shite, quite frankly.

[Vifam]

2. So, what you are trying to say is that I got worried that you called me out for OMGUS'ing, decided to declare you an obvious scum to try to get you lynched, and then I decided to screw with Vifam by saying "why do you think I called David scum?".

Oh man, that's masterful.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DavidXanthos


Previous post supply nothing but fluff and attack on ProjectMatt is weak at best.


Still not enjoying the Isa wagon.

[projectmatt]

The vote on Vifam, my FIRST and only RVS vote was an OMGUS in the silliest form. My next vote, on you, was an attempt to get discussion going. This is literal proof that you didn't actually read what was posted.

[David Xanatos]

Oh I did read, but given that you hopped directly off Vifam's "RVS" wagon and straight onto me during what you still term as RVS, it comes across as extremely dodgy.

[David Xanatos]

Also, it's been stated many times in the time I've been on this site that jumping from one RVS vote to another is considered scummy in itself, even if you extract it from the context.

[Bunnylover]

This wagon on project is lol.

[Riceballtail]

I find Isa to be a good tenative vote. Don't want to potentially quicklynch or allow for it.

FoS:Isa

[Kcdaspot]

I LURVE IT WHEN DEY SQUIRM.

What's important to note is that I had no specific read on David when I posted "david is scum. quicklynch him" or whatever. As I explained many times, the vote was a vote for pressure and to get discussion out of RVS. You seem to view it as "being scum scum and attempting to quicklynch whoever says anything against me". That's not the case. It just isn't.

.. you said david was scum. that was a read. you committed to it with by mentioning that we should wagon him. Backpedal harder.

NO. Saying "I fos x and x for (insert something very illogical here)" is not pro-town in any way, shape or form. It's just trying to sound pro-town. It's not good.

It's scummy to FoS? To have suspicions about people? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Or, I was trying to get the discussion out of RVS and I was asking Vifam questions so he could say something interesting and get us out faster.

Yeah You WERE trying to stop the RVS and focus in on a lynch, sure. TOO BAD IT WAS SCUMMY AS FUCK AMIRITE?

I didn't try to push a case. My only thing that called David was the ONE post where I voted him. I said "fair enough" and unvoted once enough people had stopped being silly and started playing very seriously. Read my posts.

See above. You called for a wagon. That is a commitment.

I don't get this.

scummy POV. you prolly never will. *le sigh*

That's not WIFOM.

It's a legitimate question that I want him to answer.

And even if it was WIFOM, it's not scummy.

PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Damn You're just terrible.

You missed the point. You tried to twist the fact that I didn't post for one hundred posts into being a bad thing. It means that I was doing something that wasn't pertaining to the internet.

so where were you and what did you read that was interesting during those hundred posts. srsly where's the catchup?

Your logic is terrible. I'm helping the town by retorting it and showing everyone how twisted it is.

That's called deflecting.

Die.

Also: we need to stop this wall to wall business. it's annoying.

[Kcdaspot]

I find Isa to be a good tenative vote. Don't want to potentially quicklynch or allow for it.

FoS:Isa

no. no fence sitting.

[Kcdaspot]

This wagon on project is lol.

Good or bad?

[projectmatt]

Yeah, I'm done. KDCA is resorting to petty insults and apparently fails to grasp the idea of a vote for reaction. If I say someone is scum, it is then my dedicated read. A+

Also, it's scummy to FOS people FOR NO REASON AT ALL or if it has NO LOGIC WHATSOEVER. Like what you are doing right now. With that being said, I like to think you are scum so I can excuse this ...logic.

Unvote

Vote: KDCA

[Kcdaspot]

2. So, what you are trying to say is that I got worried that you called me out for OMGUS'ing, decided to declare you an obvious scum to try to get you lynched, and then I decided to screw with Vifam by saying "why do you think I called David scum?".

Oh man, that's masterful.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DavidXanthos


Previous post supply nothing but fluff and attack on ProjectMatt is weak at best.


Still not enjoying the Isa wagon.

ummmmmm wat?