NY139: Underground Mafia (Game over!)

[sorgster]

Honestly, the people who led the lynch look townier than the people that jumped on it with bad reasoning. A couple of things;

Unvote
Vote:Daphne

I agree I overreacted a bit to the first post.

this l-1 vote is scummy as fuck imo.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Daphne
if daphne flips red we have to

look at sorgster

,

if he doesnt i think redFF is scum.

honestly this just looks like he knew daphne was town and he was setting up an fos on me.
And a reasonless hammer citing basically a lynch for information.

VOTE: theawesomeall

He also wanted me to get mislynched next, before he took you out red.Also, in the sign up thread, TAA claimed he got vigilante, and the game will be over by the third day/night phase.
I think he is godfather or whatever and plans to finish off the town by then.

Unvote
Vote Theawesomeall

Fos everyone who has posted yet/only posted fluff.

[implosion]

Vote Count 2.1

AntB - 1 (Stringer Bell)
Vifam - 2 (eep, therainman)
redFF
Nunez
David Xanatos
Uprising
sorgster
StevieT92
TheRainMan
Daybid
nocase
TheAwesomeAll - 3 (Vifam, redff, sorgster)
Stinger Bell
Hiraki
eep
trekker
Not voting - 10 (AntB, Nunez, David Xanatos, Uprising, StevieT92, Daybid, nocase, TheAwesomeAll, Hiraki, trekker)

With 16 alive, 9 votes are required to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2011-09-16 17:00:00).

If you

ever

notice a mistake that I've made with the votecount (or elsewhere) don't hesitate to tell me.

[redFF]

Honestly, the people who led the lynch look townier than the people that jumped on it with bad reasoning. A couple of things;

Unvote
Vote:Daphne

I agree I overreacted a bit to the first post.

this l-1 vote is scummy as fuck imo.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Daphne
if daphne flips red we have to

look at sorgster

,

if he doesnt i think redFF is scum.

honestly this just looks like he knew daphne was town and he was setting up an fos on me.
And a reasonless hammer citing basically a lynch for information.

VOTE: theawesomeall

He also wanted me to get mislynched next, before he took you out red.Also, in the sign up thread, TAA claimed he got vigilante, and the game will be over by the third day/night phase.
I think he is godfather or whatever and plans to finish off the town by then.

Unvote
Vote Theawesomeall

Fos everyone who has posted yet/only posted fluff.

YO LETS START A BANDWAGON QUICK T.T

[Vifam]

Don't be like that.

[eep]

hurg, my internet decided to crap out on me, so some of these responses are a bit past-due. Oh well.

I would also like to hear some more from AntB. Surely things like the fact that paraffin is dead now have factored into your readings? You gave us notes when a paragraph or something would be nice.

Also, sorgster, you seem to be very intent on repeatedly going for the inactive AntB instead of doing any real scumhunting on the active players. Not saying that AntB is in the clear or whatever, but any reason why?

@Vifam, fair enough. I'm not saying that it's a good idea to just gun down the first suspicion that comes to mind and ignore all the other players, I just wasn't sure why you changed playstyle.

That being said, I feel like you started doing that halfway through day 1, so I'll keep my vote where it is for now.

Because he is confirmed but refuses to post? If you don't vote them, they may watch the thread and say absolutely nothing or only say fluff like nunez.

2 problems with this: (1) Nunez continued to watch/say nothing even after votes were put on him and (2) this means that you're focusing all of your attention on getting inactives to post. It's one thing if you want to just put a vote on one of the inactives, but you seem to be doing so at the expense of looking at other players. Also, there are other inactives, so I'm not sure why you were just choosing this one?

My point is that you seem to be waiting to provide a lot of your actual reasoning until after someone else has voted for your target, and I'd be interested in seeing your reasoning independent of what the current votes stats are.

[eep]

oh yeah, also i will be a bit less active until next wednesday on account of partying/quals, but i will try to post at least once a day or so

[Daybid]

Honestly, Viffam just posts without putting out a lot of information behind him. He just shooting down a lot of ideas that people are putting up and not backing himself up.

[Vifam]

Honestly, Viffam just posts without putting out a lot of information behind him. He just shooting down a lot of ideas that people are putting up and not backing himself up.

I don't think ideas is the right word here.


And I think I've backed up just about every FOS I've had so far. Of course I can't build a case EVERY post, that's near impossible, the bulk of my posts will be shooting down what I find scummy and ostracizing that player for it. That's the way it is.

[Nunez]

Guys, what if we each stand in a corner and don't sleep until help arrives, this is the only way to insure our survival.

[Stringer Bell]

Player -> Score

0=ZOMG LYNCH! 10=Scum Hunter Elite

Vifam -> 4
redFF -> 4
sorgster -> 4
TheRainMan -> 6
TheAwesomeAll -> 4
paraffin -> 4
eep -> 6
trekker -> 4

If you're not listed, you're neutral. This is taking the d1 lynch flip into consideration.

Does this even count as town and scum reads? This just screams super non-committal to me. He obviously couldn't have said "I see everyone as neutral" because then we would have jumped on him, but isn't that basically what he did. He doesn't commit to a vote, and doesn't even commit to an FoS or any sort of strong read one way or another. Scum trying to ride the line and just get by? VOTE: AntB

@Mod: I'm voting AntB

[implosion]

Fixed.

[sorgster]

Guys, what if we each stand in a corner and don't sleep until help arrives, this is the only way to insure our survival.

Unvote
Vote Nunez

He's done absolutely nothign at all except post unimportant, unrelated to the game, fluff.

[trekker]

Sorgster, why did you abandon your reasoning against daphne being scum at the last second to make one of the last votes on the wagon?

[sorgster]

To put pressure on someone because they were claiming only me or someone else can be scum if daphne turned scum and vifam couldn't be responsible at all. I returned later but that move was to force pressure.

[Nunez]

Voting someone for posting fluff is a pretty iffy vote. If anything its a null-tell, you have no idea what I am you are just taking shots in the dark, and with this many dead townies I doubt that's a smart thing to do.

[trekker]

Fair enough; I'll get away from that now. I'll find another lynch tomorrow.

[StevieT92]

Hello everybody. I just moved into college today and it's 2am. Expect a long post tomorrow.

Steve

[eep]

Voting someone for posting fluff is a pretty iffy vote. If anything its a null-tell, you have no idea what I am you are just taking shots in the dark, and with this many dead townies I doubt that's a smart thing to do.

I think the idea is that, regardless of your actual allegiance, you aren't acting in a very pro-town way if you're just posting nothing. if we can't lynch scum, the next best thing is to lynch a player who isn't helping town. come end game, the last thing we want is a player whom we have absolutely no read on. he's putting a pressure vote on you to participate, and that's not a bad move given what you've shown us so far.

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: Nunez

[TheAwesomeAll]

Honestly, the people who led the lynch look townier than the people that jumped on it with bad reasoning. A couple of things;

Unvote
Vote:Daphne

I agree I overreacted a bit to the first post.

this l-1 vote is scummy as fuck imo.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Daphne
if daphne flips red we have to

look at sorgster

,

if he doesnt i think redFF is scum.

honestly this just looks like he knew daphne was town and he was setting up an fos on me.
And a reasonless hammer citing basically a lynch for information.

VOTE: theawesomeall

He also wanted me to get mislynched next, before he took you out red.Also, in the sign up thread, TAA claimed he got vigilante, and the game will be over by the third day/night phase.
I think

he is godfather or whatever and plans to finish off the town by then

.

Unvote
Vote Theawesomeall

Fos everyone who has posted yet/only posted fluff.

jesus you got me

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Daphne
if daphne flips red we have to

look at sorgster

,

if he doesnt i think redFF is scum.

this was meant to be

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Daphne
if daphne flips red we have to

look at redFF

,

if he doesnt i think sorgster is scum.

heres my reasoning: redFF was first kind of wishy washy about his vote for daphne, the more likely it became daphne was going to get lynched the harder he started pushing for daphne. The rest is self explanatory.
Sorgster has been wishy washy all day long however and even while voteing for me he hides behind redFF, and "fos everyone who has posted yet/only posted fluff" which is the weakest pressure you can possibly give.
VOTE: sorgster

[eep]

so TheAwesomeAll is striking me as terribly opportunistic and relying on kinda weak tells.

unvote, vote: TheAwesomeAll

[Vifam]

Voting someone for posting fluff is a pretty iffy vote. If anything its a null-tell, you have no idea what I am you are just taking shots in the dark, and with this many dead townies I doubt that's a smart thing to do.

That's actually a pretty good idea.


Why aren't you saying anything about the game, though.

[Vifam]

heres my reasoning: redFF was first kind of wishy washy about his vote for daphne, the more likely it became daphne was going to get lynched the harder he started pushing for daphne. The rest is self explanatory.
Sorgster has been wishy washy all day long however and even while voteing for me he hides behind redFF, and "fos everyone who has posted yet/only posted fluff" which is the weakest pressure you can possibly give.
VOTE: sorgster

So, Uncle flipped town, and despite what you said earlier, you're voting Sorgster?

[uncledaphne]

Never thought I would play with derps on my first game. *Is disappointed in others*

[Vifam]

Never thought I would play with derps on my first game. *Is disappointed in others*

lol.