Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Andrius]

It resolves before.
Instantaneous, just like the Blue Lanterns like last game.

[tanstalas]

If someone Motivated anyone last night, this might be a good time to consider claiming- you might have motivated the Power Thief.

This. SO much this.

[tanstalas]

And considering him and tans are on facebook chat a lot I find it suspect that neither of them are barely contributing their thoughts at this crucial stage.

I haven't been on FB chat in weeks.

[tanstalas]

tans, apologies if you stated this before, but did your steal resolve before or after a roleblock?

Mods wouldn't answer me. I presume before, but that was based on the assumption Andy targeted me N1, so I really don't know

[tanstalas]

If someone Motivated anyone last night, this might be a good time to consider claiming- you might have motivated the Power Thief.

This. SO much this.

Sorry for the quadruple post, but seriously, if you are a town motivator tell us who you motivated last night, because that person will be lynched ASAP, if they flip mafia we know that myself and Kast are basically confirmed town. If you are a town motivator but do not claim today but claim later I will lynch your ass so fast it will make your head spin. I am hoping by killing the person who took my powers I will get mine back.

[Oversoul]

CJ IS NOT CULT RECRUITER.
CJ IS TOWN.

BB you tell me right now why WLC is not for the hanging today.
BB is town.

I am using color because this post is huge and too annoying to dissect. How does BB not wanting WLC to die make him town? Especially with the stuff he has been saying. O_O

So I'm going to assume that if no one claims the power-theft deal it was anti-town motivated. Waiting to see if anyone claims it...

Didn't Nikanor claim the power on Tans and Kast?

That's it.
VOTE: BB
I honestly don't give a shit if you're town or not. You are a fucking anti-town FORCE.

BB is town you twat.

Again, why?

I got the same PM Kast, my powers were taken away as well, it sounds like its permanent - it says I am now a Vanilla Townie, this is fucked. Wondering if this is a mod error and only one of us were supposed to get this, both of us losing our powers in the same night seems very anti-town (if you are town) then again this is the sequel to the last game which was imbalanced as fuck as well

It would be interesting to find out how this works.
Namely, to see if this occurs more often. Odd/Even night deal, there were two of you, etc.

If someone Motivated anyone last night, this might be a good time to consider claiming- you might have motivated the Power Thief.

TINFOIL, but plausible.

Because I was SAINT WALKER, BLUE LANTERN MOTIVATOR last game and was BROKEN because I was a Cop and a Motivator- something they no doubt fixed for this game.

Nika, did you get motivated last night?

Secondly, two possibilities immediately come to mind if this is a result of a night power:
-We have a Doubler in this game who Doubled scum (if there *is* a town Doubler, then this possibility becomes extremely likely)
-Vezokpiraka claimed a delay power, so if Oversoul is the power-stealer/eraser he may have targeted either you or me on N1 and it got delayed until N2.

I agree with the first two; hadn't considered the last one.
Which might be reasonable.

That doesn't even make sense. I got delayed the first night and then jailkept the second night. My power could not have occured. Besides, I aimed it at CJ for his fail hammer on Ooba.

OK WE NEED TO GET ORGANIZED.


- Kast,

Tracker

turned VT N2
- Andrius, RB
- Candle Jack, Doc
- WeyounsLastClone, ???
- Blackberry, ???
- hiplop, WLC
- Mr. Subliminal, ???
- ToastyToast, Star Sapphire, JK
- vezokpiraka, Delayer [?], WLC [?]
- tanstalas, Larfleeze,

Power Copier

turned VT N2
- Nikanor, WLC
- zMuffinMan, WLC
- inHimshalibe, Miller
- Oversoul, ???


- Kast,

Tracker

turned VT N2
- Andrius, RB
- Candle Jack, Doc
- WeyounsLastClone, ???
- Blackberry, ???
- hiplop, WLC
- Mr. Subliminal, ???
- ToastyToast, Star Sapphire, JK
- vezokpiraka, Delayer [?], WLC [?]
- tanstalas, Larfleeze,

Power Copier

turned VT N2
- Nikanor, WLC
- zMuffinMan, WLC
- inHimshalibe, Miller
- Oversoul, ???

NON-CULT RECRUITER:
- Andrius, RB
- hiplop, WLC
- ToastyToast, Star Sapphire, JK
- vezokpiraka, Delayer [?], WLC [?]
- tanstalas, Larfleeze,

Power Copier

turned VT N2
- Nikanor, WLC
- zMuffinMan, WLC

HIGHLY DOUBT IT:
- inHimshalibe, Miller
- Mr. Subliminal, ???
- Oversoul, ???
- Kast,

Tracker

turned VT N2
- Candle Jack, Doc

POSSIBLY CR
- WeyounsLastClone, ???
- Blackberry, ???

BOLDED NAMES ARE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO CLAIM; CR IS MOST LIKELY IN THAT LIST.

I agree

No, BB. TT is JK, tans is Power Copier. Munk from the last game.

Are you even with us, lol? Munk is already flipped as cult cop. And Tans said his power and it doesn't sound like town copier. What are you guys going on about when the people who have the anti-power abilities already claimed?

Motivator will come from the Blue Corps.
Like last time.

So sue me I don't have faith in the mods to make the game unbreakable.

-If anyone else got a PM that they lost all their powers, now might be a good time to share it. There's also a possibility that a DEAD player might have had their powers erased and didn't have a chance to claim (also if it's a mafia ability, there's a chance it hit a Black Lantern who might not want to claim).

This.

This leaves the only possible OS (ordered based on my opinion of likelihood):

- Blackberry
- WeyounsLastClone

- Mr. Subliminal
- Candle Jack

- inHimshalibe

He's in the top two- calling it now.
I already said why inHim can't be it- if *I* were a CR who wanted to claim Miller I'd claim Miller FOR THE COLOR I WOULD FLIP WHEN INVESTIGATED. NAMELY BLACK. So I'd give Nekron/whoever a WILLIAM HAND fakeclaim.

But apparently there's a Cult Cop so its probably CultCop/MafiaCop instead of Color Cop so less breakable there.
Which raises questions about inHim but I don't think its him and if I've been duped again then I'll handle that later.

Agree with Mr. S's analysis on Day kill: we know it happened D2. Also, did anyone else notice that nopoint's 1 shot BP was striken out? I'm betting he was the Day 1 indigo target.

Good point. :/
Or he lost it upon getting recruited for obv BREAKABLE reasons but. :/

I have an opinion on this hold on

Andy has some sort of roleblock power ??

Yep.
Don't forget Muffin.

Muffin isn't strictly a roleblock.

CJ basically soft-claimed someone who survived to endgame as cult in the last game...would make a good fake claim flavor wise OR could be a starter cult member.

Bad logic.
They added all the characters who died last game so why would this be different?
Besides, I think I'd blacklist dana if he made SAINT WALKER start as Cult.
Because that would just piss me right off.
FOR THE MEMORY OF LAST GAME.

BB, inHim said he'd flip RED LANTERN if investigated.

True.
If Toast keeps RBing people with no actual power then he can get away with a JK fakeclaim.
But at the rate we're going I don't think this is a Vanilla-less setup, soooo it'd be incredibly hard for him to pull off.

I don't think CJ is the CR.
WLC/BB FOR THE LYNCH.
HELL WE CAN LYNCH BOTH OF THEM TODAY.
THATS A GRAND IDEA.

Agreed

I want to believe Kast and Tans as Andrius surely would have claimed that he had his powers permanently taken (and judging by his posts I think he successfully roleblocked Subliminal last night), but I am so very confused and need a few minutes to think things through.

Yeah I would have but I wasn't so OOOOOOH WELLLL MAYBE NEXT TIME [?]

Tans IS confirmed town, people.

+1

. I want to hear more from Andrius though as he has experience in dealing with cults and what to do at this point in the game but he is V/LA. If we are going to claim, wait until he is off V/LA.

You're not the CR.
You don't need to fullclaim.
Let's make one thing clear though: You KNEW that your action was Delayed N1, yes?
Just a simple yes/no will do.
This can clear one person as CR i think.
(Unless you're culted OFC but.)

I didn't get a result night1, I thought I was roleblocked by someone

Does somebody know the number of recruits?

ASSUMING night recruition, there's been two night.
One dead black recruit.
So if he wasn't blocked, there's one live recruit.
If he was, its just him.

Why are people eliminating others as CL based on the fact that they were RB'd?

Because nopoint was culted N1, and blocked people N1 couldn't have recruited him.
Simple logic.

But yeah

I propose a fullclaim from WLC and BB. Most likely CRs.

Just 2nd and all plz.

BB no one had Daytalk last game.

Let's try this again.

FULLCLAIMS FROM WLC AND BB. MASSCLAIM IS NOT NECESSARY WITH THE POWER THIEVES ABOUT.

As for BB I read him as town because of the similarities between his play here and SkypeMafia- I don't think I've seen him play outside Skypemafia, but I could be wrong.
Regardless, the logic speaks- if its not WLC its most likely BB after that, so.

TOAST VOTE WLC WITH YOUR NEW CORPS.

Yeah. I'm thinking Andy was recruited by Sublim last night. Sublim wasn't on anybody's list. This looks like an excuse to 'clear' Sublim from being the CR.

He was on MY list.
And I'll pull it for you.
I think I made it VERY CLEAR that I was going to, and got him on the list for that reason exactly.

I'm all for a massclaim but ALL WE NEED at this juncture is claims from WLC and BB.
In light of the Power Theft I think it best to CONCENTRATE a massclaim among likely CRs FOR NOW and then we massclaim if that fails to net us nekron/whoeverthefuckheis.

A cult doc (now vanilla),

Wait what?!?

Hey, Andrius, Muffin, you both say you've got some form of roleblocking power, but we don't know your N1 targets. These would be people who can be confirmed to have not recruited nopointinactingup N1, so, y'know, we'd like to hear them.

I actually *did* block tans.
I thought that was made clear with the long andy/tans talk of D1.

@CJ: Why Andrius and why nopoint? It seems like you were protecting people from likely vig shots rather than scumkills.

Just because YOU don't think I'm obvtown...

Also, I am in favor of a mass claim, or at least a claim from all of the possible cult recruiters.

Cool.
Now WHO ARE YOUR CR READS?
Because you're like "claim from the Cr possiblities" without listing them yourself.
I'm trying to clear you as one so shape up you twat.

AGAIN, LETS MAKE THIS CLEAR:

If someone Motivated anyone last night, this might be a good time to consider claiming- you might have motivated the Power Thief.

FULLCLAIMS FROM WLC AND BB. MASSCLAIM IS NOT NECESSARY WITH THE POWER THIEVES ABOUT.

How much skill does it require to blatantly avoid a post full of questions even after it's been shoved in your face multiple times?
Not like it matters anymore, Daykill sent in.

So you're the daykiller? That doesn't make sense given your suspicion of the indigo shot day 1.

Oh look, Andy contradicted himself again
If he's not scum, I personally guarantee that I will hunt SKrew down, barbeque him, and eat serve for dinner.

Nikanor, nopoint bussed?

If I got culted I would fucking buss. Are you saying that if WLC is not scum or if Andy is not scum you will kill Skrew?

Blackberry, that wall post. Gah. So many things wrong with it. Just say one thing, CJ agreeing with you that Tans is suspicious is not a town tell. Tans is basically confirmed town like the White Lanterns. I will hopefully respond fully tomorrow as I am not feeling well right now.

[Blackberry]

On iPhone

I guarantee "anti cult doctor" is not a role name given by the mods

WLC is mafia or cult leader.

It's not 'anti cult doctor', but 'anti-cult doctor'. Are you trying to discredit me just because you're afraid you'll be otherwise lynched? Love to hear how you can guarantee something the mods didn't, which actually they did.

(paraphrased because I don't know how to copy-paste on a mac)We should lynch one of WLC/BB

duuuuude it's double day [/mattbridges]

Vote: WLC.

The anti-cult doctor stuff is a fakeclaim. Scout's honour. If WLC actually was an anti-cult doctor, he'd be an ambiguously named Cult Doctor, not an Anti-Cult Doctor, to follow the naming convention seen in FrozenMirror's Cult Cop role.

...

Also, about WLC & nopoint, I suppose it's POSSIBLE nopoint was culted last night, with the suicide thing happening last (i.e., this morning?). I doubt being protected or not would play a role, but I could be wrong.

Also, WLC's response to me defintely does not seem town to me.

What townie thinks "Oh you're just saying this so you don't get lynched." And just FYI, I have no fear that I will get lynched, just saying.

...

Interesting point: What if targetting a Cult member makes you lose your ring or something? o_O Just a random idea I had while writing this, I'll look up after to see if it makes a bit of sense or not.

Also, I find it odd Kast hasn't clarified who he targetted last night. All his response was that he lost his power, yet he never mentioned who he targetted.

VOTE: WLC

[The Book of Oa]

Votecount 3.1.3

WeyounsLastClone (6) - Andrius, tanstalas, Kast, Oversoul, Nikanor, Blackberry
Candle Jack (3) - Mr Subliminal, zMuffinMan, ToastyToast
Blackberry (2) - WeyounsLastClone, Candle Jack

Not Voting (4) - vezokpiraka, inHimshallibe, hiplop


With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

Deadline for the first lynch expires in (expired on 2011-09-09 19:00:00)

V/LAs:

Oversoul, please stop posting in colors other than default. I know it may make things easier, but them's the rules of Oa, and you don't mess with Oa!

[Blackberry]

@Tans, I know Nikanor is on all the time. I don't know if you're on ALL the time, but just the other day when I saw chat facebook both you and Nikanor had just typed a message. So not being on in weeks is not true.

...

ALSO.

I JUST ASKED THE MODERATOR ABOUT IF I WERE A POWER THIEF WOULD I KNOW/GET A COPY OF THE MESSAGE THAT WAS SENT OUT REGARDING THE POWER BEING STOLEN.

THE MOD GAVE ME AN AMBIGUOUS "PROBABLY MAYBE."

With three powers stolen, my bet is one of those three is the thief itself and was also drill sergented by the dead guy. I.e., the power thief knows what to fake-claim if they want to fake-claim being stolen. Being about to steal three powers = way too overpowered IMO. Drill Saergent & Faking Claiming = makes sense.

[Oversoul]

ALSO.I JUST ASKED THE MODERATOR ABOUT IF I WERE A POWER THIEF WOULD I KNOW/GET A COPY OF THE MESSAGE THAT WAS SENT OUT REGARDING THE POWER BEING STOLEN.THE MOD GAVE ME AN AMBIGUOUS "PROBABLY MAYBE."With three powers stolen, my bet is one of those three is the thief itself and was also drill sergented by the dead guy. I.e., the power thief knows what to fake-claim if they want to fake-claim being stolen. Being about to steal three powers = way too overpowered IMO. Drill Saergent & Faking Claiming = makes sense.

Wouldn't that make WLC the liar? I believe Tans and trust Kast, but certainly not WLC.

Also, Berry, didn't you make a wholes stink that Kast said he targetted you last night and you would be able to be confirmed?

Also, sorry mods. I thought it was ok since LLD did it and I didn't see her get a warning.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: WLC

[Mr Subliminal]

Which is why he was all over me D1 for crumbing the Holy Stroller.
I still believe CJ to be town.

I see no reason why he wouldn't be "all over you" for crumbing Walker if that was his fakeclaim. I see no downside for him if you got lynched for cc'ing him and then flipped something OTHER THAN THE ROLE YOU WOULD'VE CLAIMED. Do you have any reasons other than that for thinking CJ is town?

BB is town you twat.

...later in that same post...

But yeah I propose a fullclaim from WLC and BB. Most likely CRs.

<_<
>_>

CJ isn't cult. CJ is mafia with Toasty, but I don't expect anyone to actually believe me. I mean, it's not as if I was right about Toog and GW. Hell I'm probably the worst goddamned player in this goddamned game. Like holy fuck I sure am terrible at scumhunting like idk why I even try like wowwww

It's not like we weren't right about Toogeloo and Ghostwriter (and Apokalyptica) as well. QQ moar.

BLACKBERRY, EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK THERE'S STILL A BUSDRIVER AROUND

@ToastyToast:

Fucking trim your posts. There's no reason you needed a three screen wall for six lines of response.

So you're the daykiller? That doesn't make sense given your suspicion of the indigo shot day 1.

Yes, we're the daykiller and Nikanor is the vanilla-izer. sux2bu. We're a third party SK group who are all Marvel comics characters.

Re: WLC. We are pretty sure that WLC is mafia, not cult. We maintain that the cult recruiter is either CJ or Kast. We very much want to lynch CJ.

We find it very, very, very, very sad that some people (coughcoughBlackberrycoughcough) are all "I can't vote Candlejack because he's uncc'ed Doctor" while *also* saying "I can vote WLC even though he's uncc'ed Cult Doctor just fine!"

[Mr Subliminal]

Didn't notice Oversoul just hammered. WLC, do you have any quick last words before your death?

[Oversoul]

Who did you shoot day 1 and you shot Mastin on the second day?

Also, why we lynch WLC, then one of CJ or Kast

Blackberry

and then roleblock the last two if none of them flip the recruiter. everyone is happy.

pedit: and I hammered?

pedit2: we're both fools. I was already on WLC's wagon. ._. derp

[Blackberry]

Also, Berry, didn't you make a wholes stink that Kast said he targetted you last night and you would be able to be confirmed?

Yes, I said this. But what exactly is this in reference to?

...

* Thank you for readressing Andrius, he apparently ignored my question about it

...

If & when I claim, all will be explained. WLC didn't claim

Cult Doctor

, or Cult Protector. Nikanor posted my exact thoughts. The mod team would not name it an "Anti-Cult Doctor".

[Mr Subliminal]

Triple post: Andrius, in BNM those powers resolved immediately because they took effect that same Night. tanstalas is saying that's not the case here -- he's claiming he couldn't use your power N1.

BNM also did not have any roleblockers (aside from a horrid fakeclaim, given the mechanics) or jailkeepers.

@Oversoul

: I was trying to see if WLC would admit to being scum. Next time let the gambit just go, ok?

[Mr Subliminal]

Blackberry, did you miss the size=200 question in my post, or are you ignoring it?

[Oversoul]

Also, I find it odd Kast hasn't clarified who he targetted last night. All his response was that he lost his power, yet he never mentioned who he targetted.

It was in reference to that, Blackberry

[Blackberry]

If you read my very first posts coming into this game, I've very big on outguessing the mod and asking about role names, powers, etc.

@ Mr. S - I answered it.

[Blackberry]

If & when I claim, all will be explained. WLC didn't claim

Cult Doctor

, or Cult Protector. Nikanor posted my exact thoughts. The mod team would not name it an "Anti-Cult Doctor".

Just to make it clear, all of this was in response to you Mr. S. The me claiming thing was part of it.

[Mr Subliminal]

Because I find reading your posts so incredibly frustrating, can you do us a solid and perhaps link where you answered it?

PEdit: If you are claiming Cult Doctor, just say so.

[Blackberry]

Also, I find it odd Kast hasn't clarified who he targetted last night. All his response was that he lost his power, yet he never mentioned who he targetted.

It was in reference to that, Blackberry

My point is, Kast didn't answer/clarify "Yes, I targetted you BB." He just ignored it. I think if someone were the legit role that got their power stolen they would say "Yes I targetted you but my power is stolen." Instead, Kast just says "I don't know I got my power stolen." Without mentioning/confirming who his intended target was. My point being I think a sincere PR would mention "I targetted XXX but I got my power stolen."

[Oversoul]

Subliminal, why aren't you voting him if you distrust him that much? >_>

And I understand you mean now, Blackberry. Meh. I don't really see Kast as anti-town.

[Oversoul]

ebwop: what you mean now

I need to get sleep and sleep off this bug

[Blackberry]

I think Mr. S's gut says he trusts me, he just has trouble dealing with how I speak (rereading my last post, I realize I repeated stuff and probably sound incompotent... lol). But I could be wrong, that could just be me.

@ Oversoul, look @ Kast's questions to me. Do you think that is a genuine townie asking questions, or mafia asking questions in order to try to get someone lynched?

[zMuffinMan]

@WLC, claim your character name and ring colour before you lost your powers.

Point 2: If no one counter-claims CJ, I can not vote him. I can't see there not being a Doctor in the beginning.

I had this thought, too, but then I disregarded it because with the amount of claimed roleblocking and shit, it's entirely possible there was no doctor in this setup.

Point 3: inHimshallibe, I want YOU to elaborate on your miller claim and what you know.

He has elaborated on it, iirc. Something about red lights and whatever... long story short, he's a mafia miller.

Point 5: Someone said all the WL group are 'cleared' which is not the case if you read the fact people just stood up and said 'I claim WL'.

Well, technically we could clear each other by referencing the mod PM we got D1, which we haven't done yet, but I'm really not considering the chance they're lying because it would be stupid to lie about it. Nikanor definitely got the PM, he was the first to mention it after I received it. And given hiplop's play before the PM was sent out, he definitely got it, too. If I need to prove it, I think all I really need to say is "it clarified the gap" and that should be enough for the other two to know I'm not lying.

It would give him too much attention IMO.
He obviously knows, as you pointed out, that its HIS fakeclaim so unless LOLMODS or town being twats that NO ONE should be claiming his person.
So if he CCs and gets idiot town lynched what happens? Either: a) ppl realize twat_townie was asking for it b) he is lynched/shot in counter

Nah,

IF he's scum with a Saint Walker fake-claim, there was never going to be a CC because it's HIS fake-claim.

He didn't have to claim it, he just had to crumb is fake-claim. Which actualy makes perfect sense for him to do if he's scum with that fake-claim.

And he wasn't really bringing much attention to himself, because it was soft crumbing.

I

still

want CJ to explain the reasoning behind their protects.

If WLC actually was an anti-cult doctor, he'd be an ambiguously named Cult Doctor, not an Anti-Cult Doctor, to follow the naming convention seen in FrozenMirror's Cult Cop role.

Shit logic.

It's either his real claim or his fake-claim. Unless... you think he's lying about it altogether?

Not like it matters anymore, Daykill sent in.

Damn, was hoping this was true t_t

I see no reason why he wouldn't be "all over you" for crumbing Walker if that was his fakeclaim. I see no downside for him if you got lynched for cc'ing him and then flipped something OTHER THAN THE ROLE YOU WOULD'VE CLAIMED.

This.


SO MANY NEW POSTS IN THE TIME I WROTE THIS UP