Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[warriormode]

Can someone tell me why malpslpc is town?

Ask GI.

V/LA until Sunday.

GI doesn't answer my questions.

Someone else?

I'm curious as to why Mastin thinks he's town. And its weird how malpascp told you to ask GI.

[sorgster]

@Zdenek about his zMuff vote: You're making to big a deal out of a joke.

That pretty much means that if he's lynched and flips scum, I'm getting lynched next day phase.

@sorgster: Are you saying that you find zMuff scummy but don't want to vote him because Zdenek will go after you next?

His posts telling scum to lynch GI now seemed scummy. I dislike the idea of being gone after next. Plus, even if he turns out townie, he can say the scum seems newbish, so eliminate me.

[Zdenek]

Under just a little pressure zMuff has gone from being fairly protown to being purely reactive.

[chkflip]

Still re-reading. [/blatantproddodge]

[GreyICE]

Nah, I'm just bored.

Muffin does work for me.

[zMuffinMan]

Nah, I'm unemployed. GI is a liar. Lynch all liars.

[malpascp]

GI is not conftown after all. I need to re-think some stuff.

[GreyICE]

Quick math:
Votestealer in 4:2

If Votestealer is scum, who wins?

What power level of game is necessary to balance a scum player who counts as THREE PLAYERS in LyLo?

Hint: Large

Normal

[sorgster]

Isn't the only possible role greyICE is the inventor? I'm pretty sure he one shotted the ability to be a cop as well. He announced both. Scum don't have that kind of ability so ice MUST be town.

[GreyICE]

-_-

You're still Tomie's replacement too

Vote: Sorgester

[edmund.angles]

I can go with sorgster - he seems to protective of his own hide.

VOTE: sorgster

@zMuff: Last time you mentioned pappum's before you voted him you said he wasn't scum. Just tell me what has changed you mind or why you think you were wrong here:

Actually, pappums isn't scum. No way toonfighter jumped on that wagon to bus him. That was a counterwagon.

[sorgster]

I can go with sorgster - he seems to protective of his own hide.

VOTE: sorgster

@zMuff: Last time you mentioned pappum's before you voted him you said he wasn't scum. Just tell me what has changed you mind or why you think you were wrong here:

Actually, pappums isn't scum. No way toonfighter jumped on that wagon to bus him. That was a counterwagon.

Look at my other games, I always do that lol.

[mastin2]

Unvote, VOTE: Edmund

. Bandwagonning scum.

No, but seriously. He's voting for Sorgster, now.

Sorgster was Tomie. Tomie was on my wagon.
My wagon had two scum.
Five scum are in the game.
For Tomie to be scum, three scum had to have been on me, a 6P wagon, risking being analyzed by me.

I said this about Maxous (also on my wagon), too. Nobody listened to me. And guess what? Looks like Mastin isn't wrong all the time, since I nailed it; he flipped...exactly what I said he would, town.


I'd love to get David lynched, but Edmund's 1: a larger wagon, and 2: C'mon, he's textbook opportunistic scum, sheeping GreyICE (now confirmed town).

He's pretty much obv-scum. Him, David...who was my third, again? I believe it was Zdenek? Yeah, one of them needs to die today.

[zMuffinMan]

risking being analyzed by me.

This brought a smile to my face for a couple reasons.

You're claiming that it's something they wouldn't do for fear of being analysed by you, right?

Slowly explain the logic here (without referring to psychology), because you're convinced there can't be any more scum on that early wagon, and in my books, that makes it a really, really good place for scum to be.

I'm not saying that scum was necessarily there, but discounting them purely because of bandwagon analysis that isn't necessarily correct makes no sense.

mastin, why do you think Edmund is scum?

Just tell me what has changed you mind or why you think you were wrong here

Because I originally skipped over the fact that TF's vote was on pappums for a very, very brief period of time, and I'm not going to rule out possible distancing, when everything else about pappums play makes me think he's scum (fake caplock rage at hiplop, timing of his hiplop vote and the timing of the TF wagon sprouting, the fact he was unwilling to consider moving his vote, despite saying he'd be perfectly fine with either hiplop or TF being lynched today, the fact that he tried to get away with calling hiplop town for meta reasons early in the game then flip-flopped on this, etc etc).

Anyway, I need to put some proper effort into this game at some point today.

Been lazy, etc.

I believe it was Zdenek?

If you start a wagon on Cpt Opportunistic, I will sheep you so very, very fast.

Ready and willing to OMGUS

[warriormode]

@Mastin: why is malpascp town again?

[David Xanatos]

You know what?

VOTE: Mastin2

[Neruz]

Amrun

replaces

Pappums Rat

(Finally!)

I swear i am never running a large again :X

[Amrun]

Hi. I've agreed to replace in here on a couple of conditions.

I am going to state right now that I do not intend to read the 50 pages of backlog.

I will read what I can, when I can, but I don't anticipate ever wading through all of that. I will do key ISOs and start playing from this point forward.

I am doing this because I know this slot has been needed for a long time, but I don't really have the time to do it properly. I apologize, but the mod is totally aware of this and decided that someone who is posting is better than someone who is not posting, even if the person posting hasn't read the first 3 days or whatever.

Summaries would really help.

[David Xanatos]

Mastin2's getting everything wrong hilariously.

/thread

[zMuffinMan]

hahahahaha

I was reading the game again because I figured I'd be nice and give a summary of the events in this game so far.

Up to this post...

#414

TOWN:

Toon
Phoebus

...

No. I'm NOT wrong about these reads. There might be ONE read in here which is off, but that's pretty much it. Sheep me for the win.

[Amrun]

more, please?

pedit: lol

[zMuffinMan]

Uh.

D1 is basically.

- mastin gives reads based on confirmation posts

- wagon forms on him (2 dead town, 2 dead scum, malpascp and tomie-sorgster are still alive from it and mastin claims this makes them conf.town)

- mastin wagon stalls

- new wagons form (like a whole bunch of them)

- hiplop is one of them (the original wagon was maxous-deadtown, torqez/Hez, hiraki-deadtown and then TF-deadscum joined it)

- TF wagon begins on p9 (GI, vezok, hiplop-deadtown)

- TF wagon stalls for a bit and eventually dies again. At this point hiplop's wagon looks like this: hiplop(deadtown) ( 6 ) - Maxous(deadtown), Torqez(Hez), Hirarky(deadtown), Toon Fighter(deadscum), paupam's rat(Amrun), GreyICE

- Bowser(CSL), vezok and malpascp join the hiplop wagon

- Bowser(CSL) wagon forms briefly around here: Bowser ( 4 ) - MintKitten, edmund.angles, Empking(deadtown), zMuffinMan

- Hiraki, chkflip join the Bowser(CSL) wagon, Bowser(CSL) unvotes hiplop(deadtown)

This is what the votecount looks like at this point (#509)

hiplop ( 6 ) - Maxous, Torqez, Toon Fighter, paupam's rat, vezokpiraka, malpascp
Bowser ( 6 ) - MintKitten, edmund.angles, Empking, zMuffinMan, Hirarky, chkflip
mastin2 ( 2 ) - Tomie Uzumaki, Phoebus
Tomie Uzumaki ( 2 ) - mastin2, Pine
zMuffinMan ( 2 ) - somerandomguy, hiplop
Toon Fighter ( 2 )- GreyICE, warriormode

- hiplop(deadtown) joins Bowser(CSL) wagon, Bowser(CSL) revotes hiplop then switches to tomie shortly afterwards, then switches to chkflip. Also lewarcher(Phoebus,deadscum) replaces around here.

- TF wagon forms again (GI, warriormode, muffin, chkflip), a pappums wagon briefly forms (hiplop, mastin, bowser), chkflip unvotes TF and votes pappums. vezok sheeps the pappums wagon. GI moves to pappums. TF moves to pappums. GI moves back to TF. Hiraki moves to hiplop. Empking sheeps Hiraki and moves to hiplop.

- lew does a big catchup post in #618 lololol I need to actually analyse this at some point in time when I stop being lazy

- also need to go back and look at this at some point #625 I swear vezok spent all of D1 saying he wanted to see TF dead but never actually voted for him

- Bowser wagon picks up speed again, along with pappum wagon, votecount around here looks like this:


Bowser ( 6 ) - MintKitten, edmund.angles, Maxous, warriormode, vezokpiraka, Empking
paupam's rat ( 5 ) - hiplop, mastin2, Bowser, chkflip, Toon Fighter
hiplop ( 4 ) - Torqez, paupam's rat, malpascp, Hirarky,
Toon Fighter ( 2 ) - zMuffinMan, GreyICE
mastin2 ( 1 ) - Tomie Uzumaki
Tomie Uzumaki ( 1 ) - Pine
zMuffinMan ( 1 ) - somerandomguy

- lew does another catchup post here and votes chkflip, need to look at this at some point in time, too.

- whole bunch of talking happens, skip to p29 and not much has changed

Bowser ( 6 ) - MintKitten, edmund.angles, Maxous, vezokpiraka, Empking, Toon Fighter
hiplop ( 4 ) - Torqez, paupam's rat, malpascp, Hirarky
paupam's rat ( 3 ) - hiplop, mastin2, Bowser
Toon Fighter ( 3 ) - zMuffinMan, GreyICE, chkflip
mastin2 ( 1 ) - Tomie Uzumaki
Tomie Uzumaki ( 1 ) - Pine
zMuffinMan ( 1 ) - somerandomguy
chkflip ( 1 ) - lewarcher82

- lew moves to hiplop here. empking moves to TF. maxous moves to hiplop. vezok moves to hiplop. TF moves to hiplop.


hiplop ( 8 ) - HezLucky, paupam's rat, malpascp, Hirarky, lewarcher82, Maxous, vezokpiraka, Toon Fighter
Toon Fighter ( 4 ) - zMuffinMan, GreyICE, chkflip, Empking
paupam's rat ( 3 ) - hiplop, mastin2, Bowser
Bowser ( 2 ) - MintKitten, edmund.angles
mastin2 ( 1 ) - Tomie Uzumaki
Tomie Uzumaki ( 1 ) - Pine
zMuffinMan ( 1 ) - somerandomguy

- Hez unvotes hiplop, Hez moves back to hiplop (L-3), Bowser(CSL) moves to hiplop (L-2), Hez moves to pappums. As a side note, #783 is hilarious.

- Whole bunch of nothing happens, then we get to p35 where the votecount looks like this

hiplop ( 9 ) - paupam's rat, malpascp, Hirarky, lewarcher82, Maxous, vezokpiraka, Toon Fighter, Bowser, sorgster
Toon Fighter ( 6 ) - zMuffinMan, GreyICE, chkflip, Empking, edmund.angles, warriormode
paupam's rat ( 3 ) - hiplop, mastin2, HezLucky
Bowser ( 1 ) - MintKitten
Tomie Uzumaki ( 1 ) - David Xanatos
zMuffinMan ( 1 ) - somerandomguy


- chkflip moves to hiplop (L-1), sorgster unvotes and revotes hiplop and a few people think hiplop was hammered

- chkflip moves to sorgster for "fake hammering". maxous unvotes hiplop because of hiplop's reaction to the fake hammer. GI derps and votes for hiplop (L-2). DavidX moves to hiplop (L-1). hiplop moves to TF. sorgster moves to chkflip, hiplop is L-2. hiplop claims VT (lolololol). DavidX unvotes hiplop because of the claim and moves to TF.

- I'm all like FUCK YEAH 4 votes required to lynch TF. Hez moves to TF. sorgster moves to TF (L-2) and hiplop is L-3 here.

Toon Fighter ( 9 ) - zMuffinMan, chkflip, Empking, edmund.angles, warriormode, hiplop, David Xanatos, HezLucky, sorgster
hiplop ( 8 ) - paupam's rat, malpascp, Hirarky, lewarcher82, vezokpiraka, Toon Fighter, Bowser, GreyICE

- There's an error in the votecount here, chkflip is not on the TF wagon.

- mastin claims he isn't going to vote for TF or hiplop because they're both town.

- Bowser(CSL) moves from hiplop to TF (L-1). vezok hammers.

- We start D2 with lew-scum dead and hiplop-VT dead (????)

- GI starts a wagon on Edmund, picks up speed with mastin, Empking, Maxous, sorgster, Hez....

- Zdenek votes Maxous, I vote Pappums, GI moves to Maxous. I'm all like "dude maxous is town" but apparently that's a fucktarded concept. warriormode, edmund, malpascp all move to maxous in quick succession. vezok votes edmund. sorgster votes mastin. pappums votes edmund.

edmund.angles ( 7 ) - mastin2, Empking, David Xanatos, Maxous, HezLucky, vezokpiraka, pappums rat
Maxous ( 4 ) - GreyICE, Zdenek, warriormode, malpascp
Pappum's Rat ( 1 ) - zMuffinMan
mastin2 ( 1 ) - sorgster

- Hez moves to maxous. mastin votes Empking. Empking votes vezok. CSL votes Maxous and HoS on edmund, claiming they're both "scummy as fuck". Somewhere around here we find out that edmund's vote was stolen N1. I move my vote to Hiraki. Empking, sorgster, DavidX move to maxous in quick succession (L-1 now)

- mastin votes DavidX, chkflip joins him, GI double-votes Maxous and hammers. vezok votes maxous after maxous has been hammered. maxous lynched, and now we're at D3.

- So far D3 we've had GI claim vote-stealer who did not steal anyone's vote last night and there's been a fuckton of lurking from every player.

[Amrun]

Omg <3 You just made me so happy. Will process all of this when more awake.

[mastin2]

Warrior:

Same reason Maxous was. And same reason Sorgster/Tomie is. On my D1 wagon.

You're claiming that it's something they wouldn't do for fear of being analysed by you, right?

Slowly explain the logic here (without referring to psychology), because you're convinced there can't be any more scum on that early wagon, and in my books, that makes it a really, really good place for scum to be.

Yes, my wagon was a good place for scum to be.

Two scum, in fact.


Not more than that. It's common effing sense to not put too many cards on the table, create a strong link between players. If half the wagon on me was scum, then it'd create a strong link between the players, a link that others (especially me, the wagoned, who is very fond of VCA) would scrutinize. It'd be Mugging The Monster, so to speak. It'd be attacking the one guy you never want to attack, since he diverts attention to you and begins to read you. Two scum? Sure, that's proven. Three scum? When they'd already risked as much as they had? When it was very probable that the wagon would be analyzed and people would form the conclusion that it was scum-driven?

Heck no.

mastin, why do you think Edmund is scum?

We've been through this before. I said it day one: it'd be shorter to list the reasons he ISN'T scum. (No, seriously. I built a case on him for those who aren't in full "meh, ignore Mastin" mode. Which is apparently everyone. Way back on Day One, even.

I could re-state it, and then add to it his subsequent play, which didn't get better, but in fact only got worse. Especially him taking full advantage of him being called confirmed town--he milked that, and in hindsight, it's really effing obvious.

But really. It shouldn't be necessary. ISO the guy. Tell me three pro-town things he's done. He's the rare case of someone looking so much like obv-scum...that actually IS obv-scum.)

If you start a wagon on Cpt Opportunistic, I will sheep you so very, very fast.

Tell you what: you help me lynch Edmund, I'll help you lynch Zdenek. Deal?

Classic OMGUS. Can't get more scum than this.

mastin votes Empking

. Empking votes vezok. CSL votes Maxous and HoS on edmund, claiming they're both "scummy as fuck".

Somewhere around here we find out that edmund's vote was stolen N1.

Bolded are related. The latter was the reason for the former.

[mastin2]

Edmund's ISO:

-Muffin vote. (Not pro-town.)
-Bowser suspicion. (Not pro-town; Bowser/CSL's pretty much confirmed town.)
-Mastin suspicion. (Not pro-town.)
-Tomie pressure. (Not pro-town; see also: Tomie-is-town.)

If you're feeling generous, I suppose you could count this as pressuring scum. So, if we're in a giving mood, that's one pro-town thing.

-Pappums Interactions. (Not pro-town--see also: Pappums is town.)

If we're feeling VERY generous, we can give him this, too. But only if you consider the fact that TF is on the scumlist to be a pro-town move. If you look at the placement (4/5, perfect place for a buddy, eh?), it really falls apart. ESPECIALLY when paired with Blatant TF Defense. (Guess what? TF DID happen.)

But, just for the heck of it, let's say this counts as the second pro-town thing he's done.

-Maxous suspicion. (Most certainly NOT pro-town!)
-Empking suspicion. (Apparently not pro-town. )
-GreyICE discrediting. (DEFINITELY not pro-town.)
-Sorgster suspicion. (Not pro-town.)


Really. Nothing good, lots and LOTS of bad. This is just a thirty-second summary, and I've shown this much. ISO him yourself if you don't think this is an accurate description. Pressure me to re-do a case on him if you think this isn't enough. But he's freakin' obv-scum.