Krazy wrote:Wow, the mass V/LA has brought this game to its knees. I am extremely dismayed that I can get no traction on VE, and this game desperately needs a wagon with some life in it and maybe even a lynch.
Between the three leading wagons, cavjj is an unclear but not in my top three, David I have a slight townread on, and Reab is just a mess. Between the three, Reab has produced the most WIFOM material, after VE, and is the player in this game I least want to see currently make it to a lylo situation even if town. I can reasonably see that slip earlier in the game actually being a scumslip, and even without that, he's at best an unclear at this point. But let me reinforce that VE is still my first choice for today's lynch as he is still far and away more scummy than Reab and I just do not get how people do not see this.
Having absolutely no momentum in this game is making it really boring, and of the three wagons, Reab's is the best.
Vote Reab
ATTENTION: THIS IS L-2.
Opportunisticccccccc
Krazy wrote:This isn't remotely straightforward and you're pretty clearly trying to downplay what was (and is) a blatant rolefish.
Vote Whiskers
OPPORTUNISTICCCCC
Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
Noir Mafia, a 13p bastard Mini Theme delayed until further notice.
Yeah...I don't know guys...Krazy suspects me, yeah...I feel like I'm expected to suspect him too....but he hasn't really struck me as so much anti-town. He DOES seem VERY opportunistic about his votes though. How do you respond to these accusations Krazy? I'm inclined to hear your defense before agreeing with a wagon on you sir.
Most people are voting on TF in the current Dayphase. You vote on TF too even tho you have 3 others in your scumlist you seem to suspect more. Lets just say you are in the middle of the voting pool with your vote as 4th.
CSL wrote:You just asked a detailed question of "Why me?"
In which I will respond: Why me = Fry me.
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But I'll amuse you.
The middle is a perfect spot for scum to hide in a wagon
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Klazam, cavjj, and Krazy jumped on the wagon without saying SHIT
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Now you are actually even telling us that being in the middle is a perfect spot to hide as scum, and go for it yourself the post before. And, who would've thought, you voted without, let me Quote you: saying SHIT. You literally just made every mistake you are suspecting the others for.
CSL wrote:
Unvote; Vote: Krazy
And you do it again.
Now after people were asking you about it, you take advantage out of someone suspecting Krazy, and jump on his wagon. It seems like you dont wanna be the first to call someone out, but are pretty much comfortable with jumping on every player.
And I more and more regret that i hammered whiskers because of this:
CSL wrote:
Reab will be back Sunday, and will be able to provide his L-1 claim, then we go from there.
Isoing you, i see that you actually were rolefishing on me. As whiskers said he doesnt want to lynch me cause he has a townread on me, you started calling him out for things you were actually bringing in.
Unvote
Vote: CSL
@Krazy: The people above already said that a response of yours would be very likely to be seen. I can only subscribe this.
How exactly was my vote on VE opportunistic? That makes no sense to me.
For the other two, I can sort of see where kj is coming from, but his accusations remain unfounded. Before I made the vote on Reab, the game was seriously stalling, almost entirely because the wagons were so spread out so that no meaningful pressure could be applied to any player and votes themselves began to have no meaning. VE pretty much just ignored my push on him, and the lack of town support on him suggested it was time to look for one of the other three scum. CSL can choose to say that it's scummy to join a growing wagon but that doesn't make it true; sitting on a dead wagon can be just an excuse not to contribute to the rest of the game and pushes the game into a stall. Although VE was my top scum candidate at that point, it made more sense to get some momentum into the game, and so I voted for Reab. But, I wasn't really satisfied with that vote, for reasons I have already explained. When Whiskers appeared to be rolefishing in a way I took to be scummy, I had no problem moving to a better wagon. The weak vote there is the one on Reab, and I perhaps can see why including it as part of a pattern can make my votes look suspicious.
Basically, I can see how kj, as town, would get that impression, but it is the wrong one to make. I never shared the certainty that others expressed that kj or his predecessor PI were scum, and of the three people on my wagon, he's the one I see as most likely to be town. I was leaning scum on warriormode, and CSL I am having a hard time reading, but mostly think that the wagon on me is misdirected townies (due to an incorrect meta read of the situation and ignoring the game state at time of my votes) following desperate scum in TF.
TF's strategy of OMGUSing and then going into lurk mode until the wagon is off him seems to be working.
TF is scum, and I think there's two or three scum between VE (not going to repeat this), Cirno (because of his trying to derail the TF wagon today), CSL (because of warriormode), and Klazam (but apparently I'm the only one that thought ConfidAnon was scummy). That's five players and there's four scum, but I will have to figure out which one is town later as I would much rather lynch TF today than any of the others. Reab I'm still torn on but I've come to regret my vote on yesterday, and am now starting to lean likely town now that the "VT" thing seems like a legitimate mistake. Everyone else is town.
I know you've already explained your reasons. But could you go over your VE case another time for me? Or at least link me to your post(s) which are a fair and accurate representation of your read on the guy. I'm having a hard time reading why he is one of your top scumvibes. And, if you don't mind, try to make scum connections between players. "If TF is scum, player xxxx is likely to be his partner from the posts here and here" sort of deal.
I think the latter part is important to include in your claim that you've found all 4 of them.
Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
Noir Mafia, a 13p bastard Mini Theme delayed until further notice.
Just posting again to say that I won't be around tomorrow (Tuesday) but will return on Wednesday. I probably won't be around Tuesdays from here on out and that may or may not apply to Mondays as well. Anyway, I'll catch up on Wednesday and post
something
then.
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Oh, also an update of my opinion. If Krazy is scum, I think his partner is in his second theorized group of scum (VE, Cirno, CSL, and Klazam). Of these, I'm leaning more toward Cirno first and CSL second.
Because when gbevilchaos was still here, his posts also supported the theory of Cirno being his scumbuddy.
Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
Noir Mafia, a 13p bastard Mini Theme delayed until further notice.
What are you looking for here? A bunch of chainsaws, or an opportunity to accuse me of setting up mislynches? I don't see a point in really speculating on that since I don't really see a good reason to restrict any of them from being partners with any of the others. Scum plays as scum, with the complete lack of luster in most of these wagons, I wouldn't be surprised if they spent half of every day throwing miniature busses at each other. There's really nothing but WIFOM in that route.
You're at this point accusing of moving around wagons too much, or overextending myself, while asking me to form connections that are quite frankly overextensions. You're basically saying, "please do something scummy so I can accuse you of being scummy." In this regard I must ask you to stop tunneling.
