NY139: Underground Mafia (Game over!)

[Vifam]

Quicktopic. That thing you got linked to in your Role PM and that Sorgster isn't allowed to talk to you again in until tonight.

Sorgster talks to himself?

[redFF]

just lynch him please

[Vifam]

David could be gambiting scum but I don't think he would divulge to gambits as scum without even trying to put up a decent argument.

[Stringer Bell]

I am really confused. Does anyone know what's going on beside David?

[Vifam]

Stringer Bell, he's implied he's either

1. Vengeful townie

2. Gambiting scum

[Stringer Bell]

So I say let him sit for today, people on his wagon should join me and others on AntB, and hopefully someone with the ability to do so will figure out what he actually is.

[implosion]

@MOD: Is it only those on my wagon I can affect, or anyone in-game?

I can't answer that.

[sorgster]

Jingle Jangle Hee Hee Ha Ha.

Self voting is only anti-town if you have something to lose, I don't.

I claim VT.

@MOD: Is it only those on my wagon I can affect, or anyone in-game?

He claims vt here

Sorgster stop what Trekker?

Wishing you had Daytalk?

Pity I

don't have more rounds

, I'd love to nail you all day one..

then claims he can kill ppl or something. An obv contradiction.

[redFF]

HOLY SHIT WHY IS EVERYONE BEING SO FUCKING VAGUE IN THIS GAME?

For the last time, Sorgster is town.

[TheRainMan]

For the last time, Sorgster is town.

Could you stop saying that without giving a reason? "Look at his posts!" has gotta be the most retarded thing said this game..

[AntB]

If you want us to give you reasoning for YOUR scumreads you have another thing coming.

Nice threat. And its to make you look closer at the players I've mentioned...

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QFT. Someone who has something to hide, and makes it blatantly obvious that they are hiding something, is scum.

Town hide things all the time. Also scum wouldn't blatantly hide something. The only thing I'm hiding is if they are town/scum. The people on that list are my strongest reads, one way or the other.

Scum will pick me off if I'm right, or try and and frame me if I'm wrong. All I'm doing is making them think.

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No surprise at the redFF vote

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Anyone voting me for that list needs to step back and use their brains and really think about it.

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Self-voter ¬_¬

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You really think if me and david were scum together we'd be happy at being the only two wagons? If it was the case, that would be epic bussing.

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Self affirming townie scum... I hate those guys.

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"I'm VT - Hey mod, can my ability hit anyone or my wagon?" - derp

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Everyone is being very vague this game.. its interesting.

David needs to be lynched, he's basically hit self-destruct and town don't do that.

Seeing as everyone is bitching about my list, I'll turn it into the scums shopping list.
TRM and Hiraki are town, the rest are probsscum. Sorgster is VI/Newbtown.
redFF is also on the list now.

[Hiraki]

Nope.jpg

Unvote, Vote: David

[eep]

If you want us to give you reasoning for YOUR scumreads you have another thing coming.

Nice threat. And its to make you look closer at the players I've mentioned...

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QFT. Someone who has something to hide, and makes it blatantly obvious that they are hiding something, is scum.

Town hide things all the time. Also scum wouldn't blatantly hide something. The only thing I'm hiding is if they are town/scum. The people on that list are my strongest reads, one way or the other.

Scum will pick me off if I'm right, or try and and frame me if I'm wrong. All I'm doing is making them think.

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No surprise at the redFF vote

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Anyone voting me for that list needs to step back and use their brains and really think about it.

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Self-voter ¬_¬

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You really think if me and david were scum together we'd be happy at being the only two wagons? If it was the case, that would be epic bussing.

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Self affirming townie scum... I hate those guys.

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"I'm VT - Hey mod, can my ability hit anyone or my wagon?" - derp

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Everyone is being very vague this game.. its interesting.

David needs to be lynched, he's basically hit self-destruct and town don't do that.

Seeing as everyone is bitching about my list, I'll turn it into the scums shopping list.
TRM and Hiraki are town, the rest are probsscum. Sorgster is VI/Newbtown.
redFF is also on the list now.

@antb, hiraki and sorgster I get, but why do you think rainman is town?

[eep]

oh huh

apparently I massively misunderstood that quote button. k.

[David Xanatos]

Note those who distance from my wagon based on not wanting to get caught and shot day one. :3

Lovely, lovely scummy people. <3

[redFF]

Note those who distance from my wagon based on not wanting to get caught and shot day one. :3

Lovely, lovely scummy people. <3

I will always love you.
but ur mafia.

[Vifam]

For the last time, Sorgster is town.

Could you stop saying that without giving a reason? "Look at his posts!" has gotta be the most retarded thing said this game..

Cause of powerful reasons, plus I've already explained, don't make me repeat myself.

[eep]

mkay, so I'm still not really sure what's going on here. David Xanatos is anti-town regardless of his allegiance, but I'm just not sure what that allegiance is.

Here are several guesses/observations/rants/whatever. (and I'll try to make them clear just for you, vifam <3)
(1) David Xanatos and vifam are not scumbuddies together; if one of them flips scum, the other is town. The reverse is not necessarily true, though. Vifam is getting too freaked out by David's behavior for them to be in communication with each other.
(2) The people I would rate as the most town are Hiraki, Nunez (unfortunately...), and trekker.
(3) The people I think are the most scummy are Uprising, TAA, and one of David Xanatos and Vifam.
Uprising for generally hanging in the background and not making any serious votes.
TAA for generally being very opportunistic with his finger-pointing but not really getting involved in discussion.
David Xanatos for the general metas and various other ridiculousness, also excess cutesiness with Vifam more than actually scumhunting? But his Vengeful townie claim seems legit. If this is the case, then I would rather look at other players than him, because he's likely to get nightkilled, being a semi-suspicious role like that. This would give us one more townie tomorrow. But he's being way too obvious with this gambit.
Vifam for switching really quickly between being aggressive/opportunistic and being cautious/freaking out when people are unpredictable.
(4) I think redFF and sorgster are suspicious, but I can't tell whether they're just naturally scummy or what.
(5) I lean angry town on StevieT92 and Stringer Bell.
(6) I lean scum on Daybid. He also has even fewer posts than Nunez, and most of them have been voting people for very token reasons.
(7) nocase doesn't strike me as all that scummy, but he's made 2 posts for all of today? Seriously? What the hell.
(8) I'm getting a bit sick of people making suggestions that anyone who doesn't understand what they're doing is being stupid. Especially rainman, but also AntB to some degree. There's more than one way to play this game, and it isn't ridiculous if other players get confused by your playstyle, nor is it particularly helpful to redirect the game to discussion about whether certain players are smart or stupid based on that.

Rainman in particular has only cast one serious vote, and that was after I FoS'd him. Sure, he's been popping in to say xy or z are bad ideas, but he hasn't really been scumHUNTING so much as waiting for other people to cast votes that he agrees with so that he can jump on the train. Or waiting for other people to cast votes so he can tell them they're stupid. I suppose it's really easy to just sit around telling other people why they're wrong if you're never really putting any ideas out there.

Also, seriously? A Nunez lynch wouldn't provide any information? It would provide information simply by virtue of giving us his role/cardflip information, as well as information about who wants to jump on the bandwagon of an easy target. PLEASE explain what further information you would get from lynching a highly active player. Unless a player flips some sort of role, we don't get any more information from their reads/whatever else than we do from any other player. Also, do you honestly think that pressure votes are worthless? And do you honestly think that a full-out bandwagon is likely to build up against a totally inactive player this early in the game?

Lastly, you suggest here that you do actually have some special reason to believe that Nunez is town. You also suggest that it can't POSSIBLY be because you're mafia, because only a dumbass would do something like that. Which seems to suggest that you're hinting at being a role. Which is crazy crazy suspicious this early in the game. The best possibility is that you're something like masons together, but given that paraffin was a neighborizer, I don't know how likely I find that.

To be honest, I can't really tell whether I'm just tunneling because I'm really annoyed with how you're playing, so I'm not going to vote for you yet, but serious, serious FoS.

But I do objectively find Vifam and David Xanatos to be the most suspicious players at the moment, but I'm not sure who is most suspicious. So, VOTE: David Xanatos. If he flips town, then I think we should look at Vifam tomorrow.

Also Vifam where did you explain?

[Vifam]

That's a hammer.

[eep]

nope, L-1, unless I'm missing something.

[Vifam]

Why am I suspicious?

[eep]

I explained that.

[Vifam]

How is me being more cautious scummy?


I'm not going to lynch everyone blindly for the rest of this game, you know.

[Vifam]

UNVOTE:


VOTE: DavidX

That's the hammer.

[eep]

I know that, but you basically freaked because he claimed vengeful, which was weird to me.