Open 333 : Carbon-14 - Game ended

[saulres]

Your new play style is OMGUS?

Or was that a typo that prevents your unvote from being counted? Just curious.

[Whiskers]

unvote

I'm used to being able to just ctrl+b to bold and unbold.

[saulres]

Okay.

So Whisker's still playing like it's RVS.

Saulres is probtown.

Cobbler, what makes you say that?

I'll say at the end of RVS.

Cobblerfone's Post 60 seems to say that he thinks we're out of RVS.

I think we're out of RVS.

Whisker's trying to keep us in RVS. Only scum want to keep us in RVS.

Ergo, Whiskers is scum. Q.E.D.

Vote: Whiskers

[Whiskers]

That is just as forced as your last vote on me: "I have a slight, gut, on kondi, because he said nothing, which I vaguely interpreted a town tell. Whiskers doesn't have the same vague, substanceless feeling about it that I do, therefore, Whiskers is scum (Vote whiskers)"

Cobblerfone's post "seems to say that he thinks" we are NOT out of RVS, but that he is too impatient to wait to post his reads. He said he would wait until RVS was over, however in that post he sounds as though he would not wait any longer even though Kondi hadn't posted (However, kondi posting wasn't what he was waiting for, so I interpreted it as,

"My post-condition was not met, but I will post this stuff anyway")

[saulres]

Well yes. But I'm trying to get the game moving.

[Whiskers]

To deal with the accusation itself, where in my posts do you think you see me trying to stay in RVS? It is common for RVS to last several days, in a long-deadline game, but I'm not attempting to draw it out.

Your "Let's all unvote and be out of RVS" prompted another round of RVS to occur-- case in point, Cobblerfone's "Donjosh says he's trying out a new playstyle, lynch him lol." I assume this is random-vote, as "trying out a new playstyle" is not indicative of scum.

Your "joke" I just took to be a noob screwing up lingo. I said that. Even knowing what you meant, it wasn't THAT funny.
I dunno, saulres, what I see in your ISO is:
#a couple of RVSs,
#a vote against me that I thought was random, too (since the reasoning behind it was shit), but apparently not,
#Answering the questions asked by mist to get the players talking (either unrelated stuff, like your timezone, or an "I dunno lol" for your favorite role), and
#Bitching about RVS.

At every turn, you've been complaining about me, trying to stick little things on me that don't make me scum, but might make me look bad-- say, my "lack of sense of humor."
I've got my eye on you, saulres. You're my first pick for scum.

[Whiskers]

Well yes. But I'm trying to get the game moving.

Which is exactly what RVS is for. The entire purpose of RVS is to "get the game moving."

And your votes are really weak. It's okay to have asinine or weak reasoning for votes, in RVS.

Outside of RVS? Nope.

[saulres]

where in my posts do you think you see me trying to stay in RVS?

Here.

it wasn't THAT funny

To each his own. I liked it.

Bitching about RVS

I'll keep doing that too, I think. I hate it. But I've been reading about it here, and trying to follow what it says.

[Whiskers]

I unvoted my RVS2 vote. At least, I tried to. I did when you pointed out that I hadn't.

I'm reading the treatise you linked. My opinion on you changes now, as I understand what you're trying to do. Going to read more.

[Whiskers]

Yeah, and now I understand where you're coming from.

I started playing Mafia not understanding RVS, then liking it, then hating it, now I'm at a point where I don't really care-- Just let it happen, the game will eventually flow out of it.

But I understand what you mean.

I am now officially out of RVS(2)

[saulres]

Cool.

UNVOTE: Whiskers lest a bandwagon suddenly form and run him over.

[Whiskers]

Vote: DonJosh

.
He's one of two players with only five posts, and the first of those two that I clicked on to check the ISO. I've played (in a marathon) with him before, so I should know him a little bit better than Mist.
He hasn't done anything this game. He's done quite a bit more than, say, kondi, but I'm going to let the mod take care of that.

Otolia, will you please punch kondi2424 in the face until he comes back to play?

Nevermind, it hasn't been enough time for a prod yet. Ugh.

saulres, do you really have a townread from kondi's only three-word post?

DonJosh, gotta brohoof you. Serial Killers are awesome (to play as). Do you have any reads, though?
saulres,

[Xalxe]

Okay, this was really awesome and all, but can we get to actual scumhunting? Whiskers, marathon games are WAY different than normal games. So...yeah. I have townread on Don.

In other news...

Townies

DonJosh
saulres
Xalxe

Neutral Sucky

kondi2424
Cobblerfone

Scumzors

Mist7676
Whiskers

Discuss.

[saulres]

saulres, do you really have a townread from kondi's only three-word post?

Here he says "This slot sucked." and here he was revealed as vanilla townie.

I know it's not much to go on, but we have so very little to go on now, it's a start.

[saulres]

Scumzors

Mist7676
Whiskers

Why?

I mean, I'd like whys for all of your reads, but let's start with the scum to keep it simple.

[Cobblerfone]

Your "Let's all unvote and be out of RVS" prompted another round of RVS to occur-- case in point, Cobblerfone's "Donjosh says he's trying out a new playstyle, lynch him lol." I assume this is random-vote, as "trying out a new playstyle" is not indicative of scum.

Actually it was serious. To explain, "trying out a new style" can be an excuse to avoid comparisons to previous town-meta. It's not much, but it's early. With my townread posts I felt we were out of RVS but still in RQS, so... yeah.

@Xalxe: Why do you have a townread on Don? And why am I neutral?

PREDIT:Darn ninjas.

[Whiskers]

Yeah, Xalxe, I'd like your explanation for DonJosh.
I know marathon games are way different from normal games, that doesn't mean I don't know his personality at all. I know his personality more than I know Mist's personality, since I've never interacted with her before.

[kondi2424]

Cut it out, Whisker. I REPLACED OUT once, and it was only recently. I do admit, however, that I have flaked many times, and I'm sorry. I'm not dropping out of this one, though, so you can shut up.

To answer Cobbler's question, probably not, but I'll try. VOTE: Xalve What game was that?

1. What is your timezone?

Central

2. Why do you play mafia?

It's pretty fun when I have spare time.

3. What's your favorite role?

Vig. I like being able to get that annoying person out

4. When do you get to post?

Not very often, usually around 4-6 and 8-10 Central.

At every turn, you've been complaining about me, trying to stick little things on me that don't make me scum, but might make me look bad-- say, my "lack of sense of humor."
I've got my eye on you, saulres. You're my first pick for scum.

I could say this, too. At every turn, you've been complaining about me, trying to stick little things on me that don't make me scum, but might make me look bad-- say, my "lack of

posting

."
I've got my eye on you,

Whiskers

. You're my first pick for scum.

Okay, this was really awesome and all, but can we get to actual scumhunting? Whiskers, marathon games are WAY different than normal games. So...yeah. I have townread on Don.

In other news...

Townies

DonJosh
saulres
Xalxe

Neutral Sucky

kondi2424
Cobblerfone

Scumzors

Mist7676
Whiskers

Discuss.

I find it strange that you put the weaker, easy-to-get-a-lynch-on players in the scumlist. Can I have some reasons for the scumz as well?

[saulres]

I find it strange that you put the weaker, easy-to-get-a-lynch-on players in the scumlist.

Why do you call those players weaker than the rest of us?

[Xalxe]

Yay, discussion! Admittedly, it's meh discussion, but discussion is good!

So, anyway, reasons:

First off, this was a quick (but accurate) list intended to generate discussion, so yeah.

saulres- does the research, cares about the game, is active, etc.
DonJosh- similar reasons, but I like saulres better.
Xalxe- my role PM says it.

Cobblerfone - you don't have a whole lot of posts, but nothing too offensive within them.
kondi- flakey flakey flake, but you posted this time, yay! Good job!

Mist7676 - Has not yet taken the game seriously.
Whiskers - on the flipside, has taken the game seriously, but when you have, it has been scummyz.

I'll go find questions to answer now; I know there's a few things floating around out there right now.

[Xalxe]

Actually it was serious. To explain, "trying out a new style" can be an excuse to avoid comparisons to previous town-meta. It's not much, but it's early. With my townread posts I felt we were out of RVS but still in RQS, so... yeah.

Why are you trying to avoid comparisons to prior town meta?

Cut it out, Whisker. I REPLACED OUT once, and it was only recently. I do admit, however, that I have flaked many times, and I'm sorry. I'm not dropping out of this one, though, so you can shut up.

To answer Cobbler's question, probably not, but I'll try. VOTE: Xalve What game was that?

Yeah, bullshit. I count at least two, including mine in which, oh yeah, you never posted. We'll see about this one...

However, your scumread on Whiskers earns +town cred

I find it strange that you put the weaker, easy-to-get-a-lynch-on players in the scumlist.

Why do you call those players weaker than the rest of us?

:goodposting:

I'd like to hear the answer to this as well

[kondi2424]

I find it strange that you put the weaker, easy-to-get-a-lynch-on players in the scumlist.

Why do you call those players weaker than the rest of us?

Whiskers primarily plays faster, more spammy games, and that's his pace. I've already seen that used as scumminess against him, but it's actually a null.

Mist for the policy lynch crap I usually get, which usually indicates something wrong with their play, i.e: weaker.

Mist7676 - Has not yet taken the game seriously.

And this is scummy because...

Whiskers - on the flipside, has taken the game seriously, but when you have, it has been scummyz.

How so?

I'll go find questions to answer now; I know there's a few things floating around out there right now.

Cut it out, Whisker. I REPLACED OUT once, and it was only recently. I do admit, however, that I have flaked many times, and I'm sorry. I'm not dropping out of this one, though, so you can shut up.

To answer Cobbler's question, probably not, but I'll try. VOTE: Xalve What game was that?

Yeah, bullshit. I count at least two, including mine in which, oh yeah, you never posted. We'll see about this one...

That was a flake, I didn't replace out.

[Xalxe]

I'm sorry, the difference is what precisely?

I mean, functionally from a mod standpoint, it's the same.

[DonJosh]

Someone asked for reads. Here.

From most to least town-like...

Xalxe
saulres
Cobblerfone
kondi2424
Whiskers

Xalxe - Overall friendliness, seems to be taking charge of scumhunting. Is pro-discussion
saulres - Pretty much same as above, but less scumhunting.
Cobblerfone - Pre-game research was good, but I always see scum doing RQS, so that docks some points. This puts him in null-zone.
kondi2424 - Overly-defensive. Null-scum, but mostly Null. Moar posting pl0x
Whiskers - Vote-hopping and clinging to unnecessary RVS arguments.

Mist isn't here cuz she's so null it's not even funny.

[kondi2424]

Someone asked for reads. Here.

From most to least town-like...

Xalxe
saulres
Cobblerfone
kondi2424
Whiskers

Xalxe - Overall friendliness,

LOL

seems to be taking charge of scumhunting. Is pro-discussion
saulres - Pretty much same as above, but less scumhunting.
Cobblerfone - Pre-game research was good, but I always see scum doing RQS, so that docks some points. This puts him in null-zone.
kondi2424 - Overly-defensive. Null-scum, but mostly Null. Moar posting pl0x
Whiskers - Vote-hopping and clinging to unnecessary RVS arguments.

Once again, how is this a scumtell? That seems to be his style of play.

Mist isn't here cuz she's so null it's not even funny.