Open 332: Tainted Love - Over!

[SleepyKrew]

inb4 kondi flakes

[ScrewTheTells]

SleepKrew,what are voting for?we haven't even massclaimed yet, why not wait till all the lovers are revealed then vote?

Why did you wait so long to ask this?

It took me this long cause I am a newb.

[SleepyKrew]

This is newbhead?
Do you have a hydra QT/some other form of communication?
Did oldhead agree to the vote?
Could you guys sign your posts?

[SleepyKrew]

Why didn't you ask bvoigt, glowball, or GW?
Nobody likes the newb card.
Just realized you didn't vote me.

[glowball]

So why

are

you voting me?

Because you are reaching and trying to frame me as scum for my game theory. You were looking for an easy vote and your reasoning was just bad.

[glowball]

Okay then SleepKrew, you are voting me because of my stance on not revealing heads? ScrewtheTells revealed himself, I didn't vote him for it. How exactly am I scum?

These questions.

And NO HIS ACTIONS ARE NOT ANTI TOWN. HE REVEALED HIS HEADS.

THESE QUESTIONS STILL HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED.

Also, if that was the reason behind my vote it would have come a lot sooner. Thanks for trying that though.

Confirming tcl.

Coming Dear ~

glowball, YES I ANSWERED THE FUCKING QUESTIONS BUT ILL DO IT AGAIN
1. Yeah
2. Well duh

Those aren't adequate answers.

The questions were:

So you are voting me because of my stance on head claiming?
Your answer: YEAH

ALright that one is adequate....

The second question was
How exactly am I scum?

Your answer: Well duh

Not adequate

[tclawren]

Hey, glowball.

Cool it with the harsh rhetoric. Thanks.

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@GB: On a scale of 1 to 10 how scummy do you find STT?
@STT: On a scale of 1 to 10 how scummy do you find GB?

[glowball]

tclawren, you are compromised you are partners with someone who has yet to demonstrated adequate scumhunting abilities or just simply the ability to answer questions. My rhetoric isn't harsh btw.

ScrewtheTells is a 5

[SleepyKrew]

Also noting how when you restate your questions, you leave out the statement before question 2. It's very important ~
Of course you're not going to vote him if he actually reveals his heads. But you basically condemned him as the D1 lynch on page 1, yet didn't vote. Survivalist scum not wanting to die because of lover? AND you say gametheorycases are bad, YET you were going to gametheorypolicylynch STT.

[glowball]

hahahahahaha tclawren if by chance you don't think your partner is scum talk some sense into him. I NEVER condemn him as the lynch day 1, in fact he already claimed by the time I explained the whole thing.

[glowball]

The exact quotes in order

I need names. Not revealing heads is

very rarely

pro-town

. If you have an account here you should reveal it.

notice how I said it isn't PRO TOWN, that that is makes you scum

The obscure scummer is darkdude. The other head has no previous accounts.

Now tell me why not revealing would be anti-town.

He asked my stance so I explained it to him, I didn't vote him and I didn't make him a target

Not revealing heads means you are trying to hide meta, and is a generally frowned upon act. Engaging in any act that is generally frowned upon causes people to focus all of their attention on YOU and why you won't do something instead of scumhunting and it could wind up getting you policy lynched. If you are policy lynched and you flip town, then we mislynched and wasted a lynch on you because you chose to do something against the general playstyle with no regards to the feeling of the rest of your team.

[glowball]

after: PRO TOWN,
it should say NOT that is makes you scum

[SleepyKrew]

If STT refused to reveal, what would you have done?
If STT revealed in your QT but not here, would you keep up the charade? Why or why not?

[glowball]

I didn't think he would, since he considers himself obscure but if he had I would have engaged in RQS to figure out his experience because as I pointed out that is one of my main reasons for head disclosure.

He didn't reveal in the QT and if he had I wouldn't have asked at all. If you mean had he reveal in the QT after I asked? Um, I probably wouldn't have noticed because I am really bad at checking that.

[SleepyKrew]

Because you're busy checking the scumQT instead?

[tclawren]

honestly I'd could've lived without knowing STT's heads.

I do want STT to start signing posts though. Either heads a and b or actual names, whatever. That will help a lot.

actually if you could tell us which posts each head did retroactively that would be great also.

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@GB: I'm going to let SK fight his own battles thank you. This is providing me with great information.

[glowball]

Because you're busy checking the scumQT instead?

this is stretching. you vote me for my stance on head claiming which was bad and are now putting feeler posts out there? I cannot be surprised because this kind of behavior is normal from you.

[GhostWriter]

I need names. Not revealing heads is very rarely pro-town. If you have an account here you should reveal it.

The obscure scummer is darkdude. The other head has no previous accounts.

Now tell me why not revealing would be anti-town.

Not revealing heads means you are trying to hide meta, and is a generally frowned upon act. Engaging in any act that is generally frowned upon causes people to focus all of their attention on YOU and why you won't do something instead of scumhunting and it could wind up getting you policy lynched. If you are policy lynched and you flip town, then we mislynched and wasted a lynch on you because you chose to do something against the general playstyle with no regards to the feeling of the rest of your team.

It's just about priorities and what is more important. Should you keep secrets and hinder the town or you should just reveal the head and let us move on? Although their are hydras that refuse, but that is why some people hate hydras and do not allow them in games.

The obscure scummer is darkdude. The other head has no previous accounts.

Now tell me why not revealing would be anti-town.

OH AND SORRY FOR THE TRIPLE POST.

but thank you for cooperating. See this does make a difference, your join date is 2008 which means you have a fair amount of mafia experience and now that I know that you won't be able to hide behind a lack of knowledge as some people try to do when they create alts, and things like that.

That was the chain of posts. Glowball states something isn't protown, Seto Kaiba answers and asks for an explanation for why it would have been anti-town for them not to answer, Glowball replies why and lets it go now that it's past. Nowhere did he call it scummy. Anti-town and scummy are not the same. Nowhere did he advocate for a policy-lynch. He wanted it cleared up to stop one from occurring. Nowhere did he vote for Kaiba. So unless you're going to attack the points he made, your vote holds no water and is twisting facts.

[ScrewTheTells]

Hi, this is oldhead AKA "Children's Card Games" AKA "CCG".

Newbhead will be henceforth named "Money".

Posts so far in Iso numbers:

0: Money
1-8: Children's Card Games
9-10: Money

[glowball]

TELLS YOU NEVER POST IN THE QUICKTOPIC! By never, I mean today also there are some questions that you need to answer tclawren asked them

[ScrewTheTells]

This is CCG.

Yeah, I do not see the point of secret day talk for the moment.

Oh yeah the question: I find glowball to be 33% likely to be mafia, i.e. nothing observed has changed the prior yet.

And I just checked with Money - we are in agreement on this.

Glowball, your answer of 5/10 means that you think we are 50% likely to be scum, or that there's no evidence either way?

[SleepyKrew]

I'm very satisfied with my vote. glow was supporting a PL without starting one.
GW, loverclaim.
PEDIT: IIoA is cool, who's scum?

[glowball]

This is CCG.

Yeah, I do not see the point of secret day talk for the moment.

Oh yeah the question: I find glowball to be 33% likely to be mafia, i.e. nothing observed has changed the prior yet.

And I just checked with Money - we are in agreement on this.

Glowball, your answer of 5/10 means that you think we are 50% likely to be scum, or that there's no evidence either way?

On a scale of 1-10 you are a 5, which is what I said. 5- meaning in the middle, I wanted to say 6 because you rub me the wrong way. Especially with that most recent comment. Day talk is all we have and it is a mechanic of this game, I don't really see you trying to work with me.

Also, I just realized something.

SleepyKrew, ScrewtheTells is my lover which I knew when I questioned him because DUH we found out before game. So you are voting me because you think I was going to policy lynch my partner for not head claiming. IF HE DIES I DIE... how is that a good move for me as scum?

[SleepyKrew]

WIFOM and knowing that the PL wouldn't happen and then being able to WIFOM.

[glowball]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. WHY WOULD I START A POLICY LYNCH ON MY LOVER? SIMPLE QUESTION. ANSWER IT. IT'S NOT WIFOM IS BASIC GAME STRATEGY. WHY WOULD I SUGGEST A POLICY LYNCH KNOWING IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN? WHAT DO I GAIN FROM THAT AS SCUM?