The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[gandalf5166]

And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.

[PeregrineV]

And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.

You don't know your alignment, but you know "you do not have the same likelihood of being scum"?
And I'm the idiot?
OK

[gandalf5166]

And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.

You don't know your alignment, but you know "you do not have the same likelihood of being scum"?
And I'm the idiot?
OK

My point is, just because we both said the same thing doesn't mean we're just as likely to be telling the truth.

[PeregrineV]

And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.

You don't know your alignment, but you know "you do not have the same likelihood of being scum"?
And I'm the idiot?
OK

My point is, just because we both said the same thing doesn't mean we're just as likely to be telling the truth.

So one of you could be lying? Since I doubt you think you are, do you think he is?

[VitaminR]

Well, Katsuki is town.

Gut, please explain why you think Katsuki is scum.

[gandalf5166]

And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.

You don't know your alignment, but you know "you do not have the same likelihood of being scum"?
And I'm the idiot?
OK

My point is, just because we both said the same thing doesn't mean we're just as likely to be telling the truth.

So one of you could be lying? Since I doubt you think you are, do you think he is?

No, but apparently you think it's possible one of us are. I'm speaking from your perspective.

[Will-o-wisp]

Vitamin, I think you are in the minority here with saying that Katsuki is town especially after that rampage over a little bit of pressure from MoI. Why is Katsuki town to you?

Your iso is full of weird contradictions. You say that Kanye might not be a bad lynch, but when Mockingjaye votes Kanye you say that vote was incredibly opportunistic? Does that in your eyes mean that Mockingjaye is looking for an easy vote? Is he bussing Kanye? Is Kanye's scumminess in your eyes independent of Mockingjaye's scumminess?

Also, with regards to the Lord Chronos vote, you make the same move by stating the wagon is lazy, but you go on and vote Chronos anyway after his post uses a lot of words to say very little. Why?

@Willow- So my vote was bad because the pun was bad? Or do you think my random vote was not random because the pun was bad? Please explain the difference.

Usually random votes are used to add up quickly for a pressure wagon to usher the game from nonsensical movement to actual scumhunting, but you present a reason for voting randomly that can possibly be used as an excuse to retract your vote later. That was why I didn't like your initial vote.

I feel like you are town, but your actions are ... unusual. O_o

Ot: Furc, have you forgiven me?

- Oversoul

[Ellibereth]

okay let's go
ketchup time

[Will-o-wisp]

okay let's go
ketchup time

You're actually going to do something? I gotta check myself before I wreck myself.

- Oversoul

[Plum]

Feysal replaces Katsuki effective immediately. Vote Count will be posted soon and I'll do a prod-check then as well. Thank you for your patience.

[Ellibereth]

okay let's go
ketchup time

You're actually going to do something? I gotta check myself before I wreck myself.

- Oversoul

It's ok
Me doing nothing will always be more obvtown than you doing something.

[Espeonage]

I feel like I need to post. However there really isn't much going on. Don't really feel like stirring the pot at the moment.

[Will-o-wisp]

okay let's go
ketchup time

You're actually going to do something? I gotta check myself before I wreck myself.

- Oversoul

It's ok
Me doing nothing will always be more obvtown than you doing something.

Hohohoho you cheeky bastard. It is rather unfortunate that scum people are blinded by their ignorance with accusations like this.

Would you look at that, two people prod dodging the crap out of Plum.

- Oversoul

[Chronopie]

/prod dodge. I'm about page 80 in the book irl.

[Andrius]

Also, based on the sample role pm in the OP, you should know exactly whether or not you are mafia, regardless of flavor knowledge.

They're claiming not to know their role at all.

???

Hi.
Nice to meet you, MoS. I'm Andrius.

Anywho, as I claimed, I'm an unknown character with an unknown role who doesn't know how he wins.

lol @ Peregrine voting me. If you think our claims are bullshit then fine, but first: what did you think of gandalf's original claim?

<3 Feysal

And just a tip, me and Andy claiming the same role does NOT mean we have the same likelihood of being scum, idiot.

Why do I feel like you're coasting by on the towncred I got? >_>
Seriously, just because you're in the same boat as me doesn't mean you can do nothing.
Because if we merge I'm going to beat you with a stick.

I feel like I need to post. However there really isn't much going on. Don't really feel like stirring the pot at the moment.

Post dammit.

[SpyreX]

So, lets go ahead and sweep the "flavor cleared" business out like last years dress because it is sooo out of fashion now.

Andy says there is one convoluted scenario where both of them are going to be town. Gandalf lied about this business until AFTER Andy claimed it.

This is easy enough it makes a beautiful princess blush.

[Andrius]

So, lets go ahead and sweep the "flavor cleared" business out like last years dress because it is sooo out of fashion now.

Andy says there is one convoluted scenario where both of them are going to be town. Gandalf lied about this business until AFTER Andy claimed it.

This is easy enough it makes a beautiful princess blush.

I see what you're getting at.
MEH.
HIS PLAY IS BAD, YES.
THE CLAIM IS CONVENIENT, YES.
BUT I WANT TO BELIEVE WE ARE BOTH TOWN.

HOPE BURNS BRIGHT.

[SpyreX]

I can't count past the number of fingers on my hand but even I know that from

your own mouth

the number of scenarios you say where this makes sense is 1.

I'm pretty sure that the number where it doesn't is larger than 1.

[SpyreX]

And no, don't think this means I've forgot about the Chrono twins. I wouldn't be said if they got conscripted to fight for my daddy as catapult fodder.

Unvote, Vote: Gandalf

[gandalf5166]

And no, don't think this means I've forgot about the Chrono twins. I wouldn't be said if they got conscripted to fight for my daddy as catapult fodder.

Unvote, Vote: Gandalf

Once again, why, as scum, would I have made the big fuss I did. And then how did I just happen to have a breadcrumb for Andy's role.

[Espeonage]

Ask me a question mister baker.

[mockingjaye]

Emp

, IMO, the wagon was obv-dead a while before people started leaving it; that's what I meant.

Kanye

: I asked you a question. You can't have missed my post--it was the really big one mostly dedicated to you on page fifteen, so please respond.

Also, what is the status of [7]? Any of "those people jumping onto wagons off of that wagon" give you any scum vibes, or are they really all off the wagon? And who are they again?

And by [7], I am referring to my analysis of one of your earlier posts. Feel free to address anything else I said, too.

Vitamin

: I disagree with your opinion that the post of Kanye's that I analyzed is insignificant. I find it VERY significant.

Wisp

: Vitamin changed his mind about Kanye after Kanye originally posted Post 227/ISO 16, which could be why he takes issue with my choosing the post that changed his mind and made him think Kanye was town as the post that convinced me Kanye was scum. (I'm presuming here,

Vitamin

, so if I'm wrong, tell me. Also, as it was the post that appears to have changed your mind about Kanye, why do you find it so insignificant?)

Andy

: I've missed you, too. <3

Basically I'm happy with my vote being on Kanye. Empking is still getting away with his "questions as content", which doesn't help my opinion of his scumminess, either. In response to Andy, I think Kats is scummy. I don't like how the discussion between him and MoI devolved into something so nasty; it really made reading unpleasant. Now I want to see how I feel about the replacement before making a final call on that slot. As for Spyrex, he's a beautiful princess, so he's either telling the truth and is town or he is scum that is investigation-immune; if he weren't one or the other, he would have to know he's putting himself out there as a high-risk for investigation, and that would be decidedly bad for scum.

As for Gandalf and Andy, them not knowing their own alignments leaves the question as to how to handle them. Of the two, Gandalf's claim is definitely more problematic than Andy's, but like he keeps pointing out, also doesn't make sense as a scum-play. I'd rather hold off on acting on that today, though, because I really want to see what Plum is up to with this and at least give it until tomorrow. (And as Andy knows, I'm wickedly curious about the "stories" told by the mods. )

[Wraith]

Hang on, I just realized something.

Didn't Turin Turambar get his memories wiped and romance his own sister at some point?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hang on, I just realized something.

Didn't Turin Turambar get his memories wiped and romance his own sister at some point?

Great ... more flavor speculation.
WHO IS SCUM? Your ISO is basically Prod-dodging and this.

[MagnaofIllusion]

^disappointing

This little bit of fluff caused me to look at the Empking ISO and compare it to Empking Town in Jungle Republic and Empking Scum in [REDACTED] and A Song of Fire and Ice.

The results say “SCUM”.

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It's ok
Me doing nothing will always be more obvtown than you doing something.

No, because you doing nothing is playing to your scum meta.

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I feel like I need to post. However there really isn't much going on. Don't really feel like stirring the pot at the moment.

Ask me a question mister baker.

Ok, so Espeonage is scum. Lovely.

I get double bonus points if he is Investigation Immune scum of some sort baiting an investigation like Wolframhart’s game.

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]Just because its bastard doesn't mean it would go against good solid flavor.

This is why I find your flavor speculation so troublesome. Source flavor may not have ANYTHING to do with the source material or not. It is absolutely true that being a Bastard game may have nothing to do with alignments not equalling flavor. It may also be relevant. So continuing to discuss source flavor as if it absolutely dictates game alignment I find troublesome.

For example … everyone is assuming all the ‘major players’ will be in the game and Town (as far as I can tell .. not really flavor savy myself). Why isn’t it possible one of them is a fake-claim or contra-alignment designated this game. Until we get flips I’m assuming nothing (and even then will probably need someone to help sort out the “Yes, they make sense as Town” bit).

Ok, Magna, regardless of the fact that I'm failing in every attempt to prove myself, you DO understand my point, right?

Yes, you are clearly explaining your position. I just don’t necessarily ascribe to it at this juncture sans flips. Thus my comments.

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Well, Katsuki is town.

Is this based on the replace-out request? If so explain how scum don’t replace out under pressure.