Open 321: Kc's FIRE and ICE: Game over.

[Klazam]

DX- Is that unvote to prevent a speedlynch, or to reconsider your thoughts on killerjester?

[David Xanatos]

Bit of both in honesty.

[Kcdaspot]

You're welcome reab.

[Klazam]

All right. I'm still happy with my vote on kj. See: PI04 and cavjj's play this game.

[killerjester]

I can't do anything about their play. Do you seriously think Krazy and cirno are both town?

[Krazy]

My townlist is DX, smarg, Reab, then I'm caught between VE and Klazam. But I'm fairly certain Krazy, Cirno, and TF are all scum.

Here's what I don't get kj. Here, and perhaps this is just the way you presented this particular post, but it seems like here you're indicating relatively equal certain that the three people in your scumlist (myself, Cirno, and TF) are scum. Yet you're ridiculously tunneling on me, and seem to be actively discouraging a lynch on TF. You do this whole "townlist" thing exclusively to target me, when according to your own rationale behind it ("well, we just need to eliminate the town from our list and we'll have a lynch"), you technically should be voting TF, who if I'm reading this right, no one actually has said they think is town (something you should have realized before playing games with town reads, and instead just by reading the thread)--and instead, you do everything in your power to fight against a TF lynch and push my lynch. I just don't understand why, from your own stated point of view, you would do this, unless a part of your agenda included not having TF lynched today. I can only think of one reason you would take that position, and in combination with your unusual tweaking/fence-sitting/wtf of the "VE or Klazam" in your townlist, especially in the context of the previous post, you have pretty much completely undone my townread on you.

That being said, I don't see it as wholly impossible that your play today just completely fell apart or something. But your freaking out over VE and Klazam's posts suggests that for some reason you really don't want TF lynched today, despite listing him as one of your top three scum reads. You present the appearance of purely wanting to lynch scum in this "town list" thing but it's pretty clear you just wanted to lynch me. Since when do town need to mask their true motivations?

[Klazam]

I can't do anything about their play. Do you seriously think Krazy and cirno are both town?

Yup.

[killerjester]

Here is what I don't get. I haven't discouraged a TF lynch.

All.

Game.

Long.

Why do you feel the need to misrepresent my actions?

[Klazam]

Krazy: please find examples of killer defending ToonFighter. I do not see any. (Although you got killer's insane tunneling on you right)

[killerjester]

Besides, by Krazy-perspective, who has scum reads on both VE and Klazam, my fencesitting there shouldn't really have been a wtf moment for him. He's just looking for an opportunity to say I'm scummy so he can jump on my wagon. It's so obvious that it sticks out like a sore thumb.

[Klazam]

Fine, Killer, explain why its either VE or me.

[killerjester]

Process of elimination. Scumreads on TF, cirno and Krazy. Townreads on smarg, DX, and Reab. I suppose I really do need to take a position on which one of you is the 4th. Brb ISO'ing.

[Reab]

Does anyone have VE or TF on his townlist? Some may have VE, but i'm pretty concern noone actually has TF on his townlist.

And dx, why arent you telling us what the thing was you have figured out about VE? Was your whole "i'm the doctor" theory just crapped up to lead suspicion off you? Or why aren't you telling us what you think about him?

[VisceraEyes]

Reab, could you maybe, I don't know...explain why you're suspicious of me? I couldn't help but notice you haven't mentioned a single suspicious thing I've done, but I'm like the only thing on your mind right now.

[Krazy]

Krazy: please find examples of killer defending ToonFighter. I do not see any. (Although you got killer's insane tunneling on you right)

I'm saying that his tunneling on me when his own little "townread game" would suggest that he should be voting TF suggests that he does not actually want to vote TF, despite his townread on him. Instead of clarifying his stance on TF, kj just deflects by scumplaining back at me. He's avoiding the issue of TF because he would have to explain his rationale for his read on TF, which he apparently doesn't want to do.

Despite TF now being his #3 candidate, he's pretty much not discussed TF at all except in the context of being "CSL's partner" which was weak as hell, and his current read on TF as his #3 candidate has never been explained in any way.

Now, he's welcome to explain that now, but at this point the way he's been tunneling on me over TF certainly suggests an aversion to the TF wagon to me.

[killerjester]

I'm not avoiding anything. TF is scum, I haven't been unclear about my opinion on this. Your logic is basically, "Why me? You suggested we lynch the person that isn't on anyone's townlist!" Well yeah. You and TF both weren't on anyone's townlist at the time and frankly I'm quite fine if either of you get lynched. You go on and on about, "He's been avoiding TF!!!!" when the truth of the matter is no one's brought up my opinion on TF or my reasons for it.

Why me = Fry me. That's really all the reason I need to vote you. If anything though, Krazy's getting a little too passionate about his selective scumhunting here. I don't think Krazy and TF are partners.

Spoiler: bandwagons for my scumputer next post, gonna find this 4th scum

Cirno

- 1 -

warriormode

- (L-6)

iBetrayal

- 1 -

verydark

- (L-6)

PersonalIdiot04

- 2 - ConfidAnon, gbevilchaos - (L-5)

Toon Fighter

- 1 - YankCane151 - (L-6)

VisceraEyes

- 4 -

SigmaEXE003

, Cirno,

malpascp

, iBetrayal - (L-3)

Players not voting:

PersonalIdiot04

, Toon Fighter, VisceraEyes

PersonalIdiot04

- 3 - ConfidAnon,

verydark

,

Empking

- (L-4)

Toon Fighter

- 2 - YankCane151, Cirno - (L-5)

VisceraEyes

- 4 -

malpascp

, Toon Fighter, gbevilchaos, MediocreJPop - (L-3)

Players not voting:

PersonalIdiot04

, VisceraEyes,

warriormode

Empking

- 2 -

verydark

- (L-4)

Reab

- 1 - Klazam - (L-6)

Toon Fighter

- 5 - YankCane151, Cirno, VisceraEyes,

David Xanthos

, Reab - (L-2)

verydark

- 1 -

Empking

- (L-6)

ViscaraEyes

- 2 - Toon Fighter, Krazy - (L-5)

Players not voting:

cavjj

, ViscaraEyes,

warriormode

cavjj

- 2 -

Empking

, Klazam - (L-5)

David Xanthos

- 2 -

cavjj

, Cirno - (L-5)

Empking

- 1 -

Whiskers

- (L-6)

Reab

- 5 - Toon Fighter, smargaret,

CSL

,

David Xanthos

, Krazy - (L-2)

Toon Fighter

- 1 - ViscaraEyes - (L-6)

Players not voting: Reab, Toon Fighter

CSL

- 1 - ViscaraEyes - (L-6)

David Xanthos

- 1 - Cirno - (L-6)

Empking

- 1 -

Whiskers

- (L-6)

Reab

- 3 - Toon Fighter,

David Xanthos

, - (L-4)

Whiskers

- 5 -

CSL

, Klazam, smargaret,

Empking

,

cavjj

, Krazy, Reab - (L-0)

Players not voting:

None

CSL

- 3 - ViscaraEyes, Reab, Toon Fighter - (L-3)

David Xanthos

- 1 - Cirno - (L-5)

killerjester

- 1 - smargaret - (L-5)

Krazy

- 2 -

killerjester

,

CSL

- (L-4)

Toon Fighter

- 3 - Klazam,

David Xanthos

, Krazy - (L-3)

Players not voting: None

CSL

- 4 - ViscaraEyes, Reab, Toon Fighter,

killerjester

- (L-2)

David Xanthos

- 1 - Cirno - (L-5)

killerjester

- 1 - smargaret - (L-5)

Krazy

- 1 -

CSL

- (L-5)

Toon Fighter

- 3 - Klazam,

David Xanthos

, Krazy - (L-3)

Players not voting:

None

CSL

- 6 - ViscaraEyes, Reab, Toon Fighter,

killerjester

, smargaret,

David Xanthos

- (L-0)

David Xanthos

- 1 - Cirno - (L-5)

Krazy

- 1 -

CSL

- (L-5)

Toon Fighter

- 2 - Klazam, Krazy - (L-4)

Players not voting:

None

[Krazy]

when the truth of the matter is no one's brought up my opinion on TF or my reasons for it.

Maybe no one's brought up your opinion of TF because you have not once addressed a question to him or acted like he's in this game except as "CSL's partner" until today where you listed him without explanation as your #3. I like you acting like you're totally indifferent who gets lynched when every other post from you is clearly advocating my lynch. [sarcasm] And of course that I'm the most active proponent of TF's lynch has nothing to do with that [/sarcasm].

The problem of course isn't that you dodged the results of your "townread game" when it didn't match your preferred lynch, it was a terrible idea to begin with as Smarg pointed out, and your about face afterward just makes it clear that not only was it a terrible idea, it wasn't really even a sincerely bad idea, instead it was a covert way to push my lynch. Again, I see no reason why, as town, you would mask your objectives like that, and do so in the context of fishing out townreads as well.

I think you're lying when you say that me and TF are equally appealing to you, and I think the "townread game" also suggests scum motivation.

Vote kj

[killerjester]

I had to use a different approach here since no one has flipped scum yet

Spoiler: more boring stuff

=Day1=

1st VE wagon:

Cirno, iBetrayal >>> one scum, 50 pts each

Players that might be distancing:

YankCane151 & Toon Fighter

2nd VE wagon:

Toon Fighter, gbevilchaos, MediocreJPop >>> two scum (different faction), 66 pts each

Players that might be distancing:

YankCane151 & Toon Fighter
Cirno & Toon Fighter

TF wagon:

YankCane151, Cirno, VisceraEyes, Reab >>> two scum (different faction), 50 pts each

Players that might be distancing:

Klazam & Reab
VisceraEyes & Krazy & Toon Fighter

Reab wagon:

Toon Fighter, smargaret, Krazy >>> two scum (different faction), 66 pts each

Players that might be distancing:

VisceraEyes & Toon Fighter

Whiskers wagon:

Klazam, smargaret, Krazy, Reab >>> two scum (different faction), 50 pts each

Players that might be distancing:

Toon Fighter & Reab

=Day 2=

1st CSL wagon:

ViscaraEyes, Reab, Toon Fighter >>> two scum (different faction), 66 pts each

1st TF wagon:

Klazam, Krazy >>> one scum, 50 pts each

Players that might be distancing:

Toon Fighter & Krazy & Klazam

2nd CSL wagon:

ViscaraEyes, Reab, Toon Fighter, smargaret >>> two scum (different faction), 50 pts each

Players that might be distancing:

Toon Fighter & Krazy & Klazam

Reab 282 / 2 instances of distancing
Toon Fighter 248 / 7 instances of distancing
Krazy 232 / 3 instances of distancing
smargret 216 / 2 instances of distancing (2 with TF)
VisceraEyes 166 / 2 instances of distancing (2 with TF)
Cirno 100 / 1 instance of distancing (1 with TF)
Klazam 100 / 3 instances of distancing (2 with TF)

I also checked the isos, and VE stood out slightly more than Klazam in terms of interactions with TF. Today I'd be most comfortable with a Krazy or TF lynch so I can get more flips for a better VCA. But my two hypothetical scumteams are Krazy & Cirno and TF & VE

[killerjester]

I'll also go ahead and claim here, as I've expressed the dangers of have 4 scum in 2 teams hanging around with me at L-2.

I'm VT.

[Reab]

Reab, could you maybe, I don't know...explain why you're suspicious of me? I couldn't help but notice you haven't mentioned a single suspicious thing I've done, but I'm like the only thing on your mind right now.

I misread your Iso. Now that i've read it again, it shows me that you were voting for Csl already when Whiskers was lynched Day 1. I didnt see that as i Iso'd you the first time, but kjs Votelist showed it to me, so i was going to look at your past again. I was thinking that youre pushing csl to get lynched so you can have an easy mislynch, leading the town to have as many players as the mafias have. To me, it seemed like your only goal was to get rid of someone fast so that the chanced for you are better to win, no matter if you lynch a townie, or someone of the other Faction. But the fact that you have been voting for her on day 1 already changes my mind, and i apologize for the misread.

Guessing that DX "i know something" was just a way to defend himself. I still dont think that you are town, but, i have no legit reason to vote for you now that i have looked up my bad reading of your iso.

Unvote

[Reab]

chances*

[killerjester]

VOTE: TF

With me! Reab!

[Reab]

VOTE: TF

With me! Reab!

Either TF or you, but now that you said that, i'm more tending to vote you instead of TF. TF has been scummy as hell through all the dayphases so far, and so where your precedessors, while you never really said anything about their actions besides "LOLed as i saw that i'm replacing cavjj".

[killerjester]

What did you want me to say about their actions?

I can't explain the thought process behind them because it wasn't me playing. And my opinion on them is rather pointless as my role PM clearly states I'm town.

[Reab]

What did you want me to say about their actions?

I can't explain the thought process behind them because it wasn't me playing. And my opinion on them is rather pointless as my role PM clearly states I'm town.

I would've loved to see you at least trying to explain their actions. I understand that you can't really jump into their brains to tell us what they may have thought with their bad gameplay.

For right now, i have made the decision to vote for TF.

Not because of your last post, but there is some other reason. He was never really actively contributing to the game, more lurking, not here, avoiding prods, going v/la or anything. Furthermore he was always 2nd place on my scumlist behind CSL. Everytime he made a scumslip he went inactive again, so someone else maybe slips, and the suspicioun gets drawn off him. Sadly he started almost every dayphase with a fail, and we didnt even lynch him until now because someone else always crapped up. Even now, he does'nt have time to contribute, as he sees that all the votes are going for killerjester. I am not willing to put kj at L-1 just for TF to come back, make a crappy excuse and insult, and hammer him.

Vote: Toon Fighter

Reason: Mad lurking and all the above mentioned things

FoS: Killerjester

Reason: Predecessors, himself trying to win my vote for TF, and the "had to check rolepm" and "LOL im cavjjs replacement"- cases.