College Mafia - Abandoned

[rajrhcpfreak]

This post just set my alarm bells ringing, “scummy feeling”? Can you elaborate some more on that Raj?

its the overall vibe im getting from him.

one thing added to another. equals scum. alot of times its a lot of little WIFOM and acouple of random votes is all it takes but the sense of smell goes off and i nail scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Whatever you say Mr. Mafia Godfather Man.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that post was responding to TurboV btw. *shakes fist at RaJ*

[rajrhcpfreak]

sry. i do have mod powers on Newbie, Theme, and Mini boards... if you want me to delete those posts i could....

anyways my post was suposed to be before turbs anyways.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Oh yea Mike, if you knew some1 was going to attack you based on your BS "wah I'm crying a river cuz it sux so much that X died" post then why did you post it? did you want to be attacked? Do you want to make it harder for us to find mafia by muddling the waters with that post? I'm not going to take what you say at just face value, why should I not find you suspicious for making a move that I find suspicious just because you say it has nothing to do with your alignment? That's like saying WHETHER I ACT SCUMMILY HAS NO BEARING ON MY ALIGNMENT!!! and expecting us to actually ignore the scummy things you do since according to you they have no bearing on your alignment!

You've basically said nothing in your defense but a lot of gobbeldygook! I hope you don't expect that weak defense to hold up.

[Turbovolver]

Hey Pooks, raj said that as well. When he said he bandwagons for poor reasons (i.e. plays scummily) even as town.

Do you think mentioning the nightkill is a bigger scum tell than bandwagonning for poor reasons?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yes, mentioning a nightkill has no purpose but to actively taunt the town to lynch you for it.

Bandwagonning has a purpose, we can't get lynches or information without bandwagonning.

[mikeburnfire]

This is of course ignoring the fact that you've skipped an SK kill yourself.

Huh? I didn't ignore it, I pointed it out. I've been an SK more than once and I normally kill the first night. I'm just saying that, while possible, it's just as likely that we have no SK.

In my opinion, a good townie doesn't make assumptions like you have. Looking at the nightkills for information is a very dangerous game, because the scum/SK usually have more control over them.

Whatever. I have no reason to believe we have an SK at this point just as I have no reason to believe we have a cult, a traitor, a sympathizer, or any other foes. All I know is that we had one kill last night. That means that there is one killing group out there and that is who I will try to kill. I won't entertain the thought of

possible

enemies on the bullshit argument I can't prove they don't exist.

Pooky, I posted it because I don't give a damn. I'm sorry I didn't force myself to hop around a dead nurse and pretend he didn't exist and I hope you don't get an aneurism whenever I state the obvious.

So let's see all the points against me:
1) I'm not hyperventilating over a make-believe Serial Killer.
2) I'm 'crying a river' because 'it sux so much' that the nurse died.

Yeah, this is about it. I'm halfway to a lynch because I said 'It's too bad that we lost our nurse" and "There's no reason to believe we have an SK". You know what? Go ahead and vote me. That way when you've lost the game and are asking yourselves "Oh where did we go wrong" I'll be able to say "when you lynched me for making too much sense"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

My point is that it's given that all players are upset that the nurse is dead, there's no bloody need to state it, we aren't going to look at who didn't say they are sad the nurse is dead and choose to lynch them because they didn't say it. The statement is pointless in every sense except to try to give the impression that you are upset that the nurse bit the dust, there's no point to make that statement. This preemptive fishing for sympathy is fairly silly.

I especially appreciate the angry counterattack. Do you honestly hope to guilttrip us out of voting for you with your desperate pleas for sympathy covered by a cloak of faked anger?

You're going to have to do better than that Scum.

[mikeburnfire]

Pre-emptive fishing for.... are you kidding me?

Sucks that our nurse died, but whatcha gonna do?

There's my post. Right there. I'm not 'fishing for sympathy', as you say, nor am I 'mentioning a nightkill to taunt the town to lynch me', as you say, nor am I 'crying a river cuz it sux so much'. I said it so offhandedly, so calously that it shouldn't be an issue. Yet here I am.

I'm so frustrated right now that I'm tempted to vote myself to escape the stupidity of it all, but that wouldn't be fair to the legitimate townsfolk. You know, the people who actually play the game instead of paraphrasing my words to make me look stupid.

unvote, vote: Pooky

[Turbovolver]

You really should be at least willing to entertain thoughs of those other roles, MBF. I don't like what you said there but I'm getting the feeling this is degenerating into a war over semantics.

I'm much more worried that Pooky actually believes mentioning the nightkills is worse than bandwagon votes based on poor reasons.

FOS: PookyTheMagicalBear

. And

FOS: rajrhcpfreak

by extension.


PPE: Pooky's still launching an attack on MBF. His attack is rather weak too, in my opinion. Mentioning the night kills is a rather minor tell (and if you think about it too much it goes all WIFOM), and I think we can do better than that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

There's no bloody reason for a townsperson to play WIFOM with the town.

[Turbovolver]

Hence anybody who mentions nightkills must be scum.

But if that's true, then scum wouldn't do it. OR WOULD THEY?

It's pretty WIFOM.

And thus Pooky is WIFOMing the town.

And is scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Where did I WIFOM the town?

I never said any1 who mentions nightkills must be scum, putting words into other people's mouths already scumbag?

Just because there's no bloody reason for a townsperson to do something doesn't meant that townspeople don't DO it. I find his comment suspicious and I'm voting based on my suspicions.

[Turbovolver]

The was intended to convey the meaning that my post was not serious.

But you are right to a degree, to make my post logically correct you need to replace the word "must" with "is likely to". I think you'll find it's still pretty WIFOM.

[Passdog]

If it makes you feel better MBF I'm not voting for you for either of the reasons you stated. I voting for you for being hypocritical.

Plus you are acting quite poorly letting go of your temper like that. It's a tactic I've seen scum use on a number of occasions and its worked (except for on me of course). Chuck a tanty, pretend to be frustrated town, cross your fingers that it'll work.

Good Luck.

[petroleumjelly]

Holy moly, I go off to compile voting patterns in another game and find out this game has grown four pages since my first page. I just gave it a quick skim, but my general impressions (of the most talkative players, sorry, that's all I can think of at the moment):

MBF: Seems to be overreacting to something that started off as very small. I am sort of in the same boat with Passdog that it seems a little like play-acting (although I know I have been pretty frustrated in similar situations as pro-town, so I guess I can't differentiate between real anger and false anger yet), but I also didn't agree with the "scum tell" pointed out on MBF in the first place. For the most part I think Mike needs to take a chill pill, but his reactions certainly warrant a

FoS: MBF

.

Turbo: It's probably worth mentioning that I was also in that game where Turbo turned out to be the SK, and as crazy as it sounds, he's acting pretty much the same way. Jumping at the slightest of possible tells, and pushing people to the point of frustration. I guess I can't really read alignment on Turbo yet, but overall, I think his aggressive style (if aggravating) can elicit some interesting responses, and I really haven't found much wrong with anything he has said yet (except for the fact that he really needs to learn when to drop issues earlier sometimes!)

Pooky: Not really getting anything bad from Pooky, but of course such a task is difficult in the first place... he

is

Pooky, after all. *huggles* I don't really agree that he has been "WIFOMing" the town either, just explaining why saying "boohoo, the Nurse died" is rather irrelevant and perhaps a scum tell (although I usually attribute things like that more as wanting to say

something

in the first post of a game).

Glork: He probably said something, and that's a good reason to keep my vote on him. Obviously subject to change.

Blanking on other players at the moment, I'll reread this in more depth later, but those are my thoughts for now. Need... sleep...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Of course there's nothing bad about Pooky *huggles PJ*

[Turbovolver]

PJ, why is it that you cant see anything wrong with what I've said but you don't agree about suspicion on Pooky, or on what I think is an "SK tell"?

[petroleumjelly]

Quickly put, it's because I have you characterized as fairly excitable, and although I can see instances where you might consider MBF's SK comment as a "scum tell", I don't think it really applies in this case, as Mike has already explained why he said it. For the most part, the reactions you have gotten from MBF may be valuable, so how can I fault you for your method in going about getting them?

And I pretty much agree with what others have said: we had one kill last night, and I assume it was a Mafia kill of some sort, so there's really no point in even talking about SKs for the time being until we can even verify if there is a second killing group at all. Stick with what we know for sure on Day One. It's fine to speculate to some extent, but speculation without information to back it up isn't really all that helpful.

[Turbovolver]

Fair enough. I understood what you said there wasn't necessarily scummy, but it had the possibility so I wanted to make sure you could explain yourself.

[LoudmouthLee]

MikeBurnFire- 5 (PookyTheMagicalBear, Twomz, Fritzler, Glork, Passdog)
Turbovolver- 3 (RajRHCPFreak, inHimshallibe, Gaspode)
Fritzler- 2 (Commodore Amazing, VikingFan)
RajRHCPFreak- 1 (Mystery Meat of Doom)
Glork- 1 (PetroleumJelly)
Mystery Meat of Doom- 1 (HezLucky)
Thesp- 1 (Pablito)
PookyTheMagicalBear- 1 (MikeBurnFire)

Not voting (4): Shteven, Sotty7, Thesp, Turbovolver

[vikingfan]

I'm not buying MBF at all for the moment, despite his responses.

unvote

vote mikeburnfire

Let's see if a little pressure can up the quality...

[rajrhcpfreak]

Holy moly, I go off to compile voting patterns in another game and find out this game has grown four pages since my first page. I just gave it a quick skim, but my general impressions (of the most talkative players, sorry, that's all I can think of at the moment):

im not talkative?

damn, i must get busy.

[Glork]

I just haven't had all that much to say. Most of the discussion has been about SK existence, MBF, and Turbovolver, and I've already weighed in: Based on the complete 180 of MBF's stance regarding whether there is an SK, I think it's quite reasonable to believe that he is an SK.

One thing I did notice, though: Petroleumjelly made a post in which he gave very reasonable explanations as to why either MBF or Turbo might be scum, but he kept his vote on me in saying

Glork: He probably said something, and that's a good reason to keep my vote on him. Wink Obviously subject to change.

Why FoS one player and spill thoughts of suspicion on another while explicitly saying you want to keep your vote on a third under known poor/aribtrary/random reasoning?