Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[zMuffinMan]

VOTE: Ludi

More later.

[vezokpiraka]

Ludi, before I vote for you, do you have any explaining to do?

Lol, nice buss on your recruit.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nikanor

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nikanor

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nikanor

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nikanor

Any town player who wants to remove the CR from the game should be voting Nikanor.

See you guys tomorrow.

You slipped.
You are cult. You are so happy that you have a mislynch that you forgot this is double day.
Pay attention to this people.

[tanstalas]

I believe 100% OS was not recruited night 2

I believe 100% that Kast is mafia vanilliaizer. Who would drill sergeant select to hel detect cult ? The tracker


Nikanor. Do you realize how much you're contradicting yourself in ur first paragraph and 2nd paragraph. The logic that you are attacking people for using is the same logic you're claiming you can't be culted (but I think u are CR)

I was thinking that as well but how do you explain his crumb that I visited andy?

[tanstalas]

Unless a watcher watched me and scum have daytalk

[zMuffinMan]

You mean a scum-watcher on Andrius?

[zMuffinMan]

Or you mean someone other than Kast is a scum-tracker and told him to crumb it for some reason?

[tanstalas]

Kast couldn't have known I visited andy. Unless andy is scum roleblocker and told kast he was going to rb me night one.

So if andy is scum so is kast.

I don't see any other way three people got vanillized

[zMuffinMan]

OK. So who do you think is CR?

[tanstalas]

Probably Ludi or Oversoul

[zMuffinMan]

Oversoul, in spite of the claimed delay + claimed jail + 2 flipped recruits?

[zMuffinMan]

Unrelated to that, zmuffin, who do you think the remaining mafia here is?

2-3 of {Oversoul, ToastyToast, vezokpiraka, Andrius, Blackberry}

I'd look at claimed role interrupters before I look at the other two, though.

And when CR is actually dead, I'll start going back and looking properly at it. Might even get around to doing a VCA at some point (probably in the latter half of the day).

WAIT.

LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT.

The ORIGINAL color was unreadable.

So the mods had to clarify with you afterwards.


So, you're saying...


THAT THIS "MASONRY" WAS BECAUSE THE MODS DONE FUCKED UP?

hiplop is oversimplifying what dana's mod PM was about, but essentially, yes, it was because of a mod fuck-up.

What hiplop neglected to mention is that dana's mod PM also clarified that we are actually white lanterns. Our role PMs allude to

becoming

white lanterns when we get our rings, but don't actually tell us what we currently are (for example, I'm purple, so was subliminal, justice league WLs are justice league, and, as you can probably tell from hiplop and nikanor's posts prior to whenever it was that dana sent the mod PM, they didn't actually know they were white lanterns).

This is a major part of the reason I think both Nikanor and hiplop at least started out as white lanterns, and my logic here was going to be explained when I full-claimed my role.

ftr, here's the second half of my claim (without the part about my role):

Spoiler:

Basically, as hiplop has already covered, dana sent out a PM to anyone who received a WL PM clarifying two things:

First, as hiplop mentioned, the WL role PMs were written on a different site and transferred over to MS, so the white text in the white lantern role PMs was lost in the MS background. As such, there's a small "gap" in our role PMs where it mentions our WL abilities.

The second, and more important, thing that it clarified was that we are actually white lanterns. As you can probably tell from the white lantern flips so far, nobody has actually flipped "white lantern corps". Our role PMs don't mention actually

being

white lanterns - only that we gain white lantern powers if the white lantern rings come into play.

This is an important point, because if you look back at what was being said D1, you can perhaps understand why dana sent out the mass PM, and also perhaps understand why I've been saying that, even though the claimed WLs aren't cleared, I believe them to actually be WLs.

hiplop's early play makes no sense if he's scum with a WL fake-claim. #162, #179, #183 for example, read as hiplop-WL genuinely thinking vezok fucked up and botched a fake-claim. Also, no offense to hiplop, but I don't think this is a play he's capable of as scum with a WL fake-claim.

nikanor's #83, #205, #298 are the reasons I think he's genuine in his WL claim, and are also the main reason I think dana sent the PM out. Both him and hiplop were really, really confused about whether or not they were actually white lanterns, and since our original role PMs do not state explicitly that we are currently white lanterns, dana sent a PM to us indicating that we are, in fact, white lanterns. #323 and ensuing confirmation posts are the aftermath of this.

^ That was all pre-written.

TOAST NO ACTION'D LAST NIGHT>
IS THEREFORE CULTEE UNLESS OVERSOUL WAS CULTED TOO AND IS BUSSING? LOLNO DOESNT WORK THAT WAY NOT ENOUGH NIGHTS

Um, so when was Toasty culted and how does this explain his "no action".

I think a more reasonable explanation is that someone is lying about their blocking actions or Oversoul is lying for whatever reason. And if Oversoul is mafia and Toasty is town, I could see this being the case.

MODS: If I physically daykill Toast and Nikanor in Canada, will they flip in-thread? Also, will those count seperately from the lynches? Thanks.

Did the mod ever give you an answer to this?



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HIPLOP

STOP BEING A STOOGE

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@Ludi,

OK.

So you think Toasty is CR.

Well, It is possible that Oversoul is your recruit, or Oversoul simply replied for his own anti-town motives, or i'm not sure what oversoul is doing. Oversoul now claims that you went nowhere last night, and you're blatantly lying and said you did. Unless you believe on night three oversoul decided to start lying and not on night two.

What do you make of Oversoul's claim, then? Why does it make sense for Toasty-CR to have gone nowhere? You must believe 1 of 3 things:

1) Oversoul is lying
2) Toasty was roleblocked
3) Toasty no-actioned and is unlikely to be CR

Which is it? And if you aren't sure, why do you think Toasty is the most likely CR?

Where else would he track Toasty? To Ludi?

UMMMMMMMMMMMMM... YEAH

Why would Oversoul as a backup recruiter to Toasty-CR LIE about tracking Toast nowhere when Toast had already claimed to have jailed Ludi? What does Oversoul have to gain as a backup-CR by doing this? How does this make any sense whatsoever?

Look, the only way that OS and Toasty are both telling the truth is if there is a MyStErY rOlEbLoCkEr somewhere out there that decided to block the jailkeeper who was going to target Ludi.

This can be explained without supposing a "mystery roleblocker". Hint: What if one of the claimed roleblockers is *gasp*

lying

?

You cleared Ludi for claiming doctor. The hypocrisy in this statement alone makes the rest of your post meaningless.

Arbitrarily clearing people for ridiculous WiFOM reasons is invalid (yes saying "he's too crazy to be scum" is WiFOMy crap-logic).

YOU YOURSELF are *CLEARED* because of roles and theories about what makes a balanced setup. These are tools we have to use and they should be used ALONG WITH analyzing game play.

Thank you, Kast. I was about to beat my head against a brick wall over and over again. At least someone else realises how fucking stupid Blackberry is if he's not scum.

Mod pretty much confirmed that NPIAU was recruited N1 and KDUB was recruited N2.

Where?

We're actually trying to lynch the Cult Recruiter here, not mislynch townie after townie until either cult has enough numbers to win or your mafia faction controls enough of the town to win as well. We can't afford more mislynches.

...

You must be trying to make me rage. This is coming from the guy who spent yesterday telling me that hiplop or Subliminal must be the CR?

Any town player who wants to remove the CR from the game should be voting Nikanor.

See you guys tomorrow.

This is... the second fucking time... you've tried to turn this into a 1-on-1 with someone...

Or are we forgetting the WLC shit that happened in the first half of D3?

What are you going to do when Nikanor flips white lantern, OS?

[zMuffinMan]

On a completely unrelated note,

holy crap... Was reading over some ISOs.

subliminal heads, if you are still reading this... I want you to know I hate you for commuting N1. Ask dana to tell you why.

[zMuffinMan]

You know what's still bugging me? That indigo light.

[Magister Ludi]

Nono, I still think hiplop could be CR. More case coming.

[Blackberry]

You know what's still bugging me? That indigo light.

I don't know what this means.

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Has everyone character claimed?

...

Why hasn't Nikanor claimed yet? He obviously isn't a power role so there's no reason he shouldn't have claimed UNLESS he is afraid it will get him lynched.

[Kast]

You know what's still bugging me? That indigo light.

Agreed. We know for certain from kdub's flip where both of his two kills went (one of the two N1 kills, plus his claimed N2 kill). This doesn't explain the indigo light or the day kill. As far as I can tell, we also have a day killer that made at least two shots (one failed one succeeded).

[The Book of Oa]

Votecount 4.1.5

Nikanor (4) - Blackberry, Andrius, hiplop, Oversoul
ToastyToast (3) - Magister Ludi, vezokpiraka, Nikanor
Magister Ludi (3) - Kast, ToastyToast, zMuffinMan

Not Voting (1) - tanstalas


With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch and 6 to no lynch.

Deadline for the first lynch expires in (expired on 2011-09-25 19:00:00)

V/LAs:

[hiplop]

unvote vote ludi

[Oversoul]

Why are you voting Ludi when Nikanor is obviously the CR? Ludi is the recruit. >_>

[Kast]

OS: That makes NO sense if you're town. You claim to

know

that Toasty is JK, based on JKing you. If Toasty is JK, then Nik cannot be CR. If we assume you are town and telling the truth, then only Ludi can be CR.

[Kast]

I'm starting to agree with my brother's conclusion; OS is probably Ludi's recruit. He probably called the null result on Toasty in order to get the town-JK mislynched so that Toasty can't block Ludi again.

[Magister Ludi]

Did anyone answer whether or not is was impossible for hiplop to be CR because that still seems like a very plausible possibility.

Hey kast, if oversoul is my recruit, what night did I recruit him? You're talking out of your ass. I can't have done it on any night, considering two recruits have flipped and I was roleblocked last night.

[zMuffinMan]

Nono, I still think hiplop could be CR. More case coming.

Can't wait.

I don't know what this means.

That's OK. I wasn't particularly interested in hearing your theories on how the purple light came from Kast who is the backup roleblocker for the team of serial killers.

Has everyone character claimed?

No. Why is this even important?

Why hasn't Nikanor claimed yet? He obviously isn't a power role

There's this pain in my forehead that starts throbbing every time you post.

(1)

Why are you voting Ludi when Nikanor is obviously the CR?

(2)

Ludi is the recruit. >_>

(1)

Ah, just like WLC before him, right?

(2)

Yeah, number one priority for Nikanor-CR last night was to recruit Ludi... ... ...

I'm starting to agree with my brother's conclusion; OS is probably Ludi's recruit. He probably called the null result on Toasty in order to get the town-JK mislynched so that Toasty can't block Ludi again.

I don't think so. I'm not sure what Oversoul's agenda is, but I don't see how he could be Ludi's recruit. Only one that even makes sense as a recruit for Ludi would be Andrius.

Did anyone answer whether or not is was impossible for hiplop to be CR because that still seems like a very plausible possibility.

Impossible? No.

I've explained why I don't think he's CR. Although my explanation is mostly based on me not giving hiplop very much credit for being able to pull off what he's done in this game as a CR with a WL fake-claim.

[zMuffinMan]

Oh, and in case anyone missed it, vezok has already claimed a delay on Nikanor, so if Nikanor is the CR, he

shouldn't

have a recruit right now. And I

think

Blackberry has an inno on vezok.

[zMuffinMan]

(not to mention Toast's claimed jail on Nikanor N1, with 2 recruits already flipped)