Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

Rainbowdash · Post Post #2375 (ISO) » Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:40 pm

In post 2374, Juls wrote:I love how everyone suspects me but not a single person is willing to put forth a case. Other than taking a power when I first came into the game without knowing the "plan", not one person can tell me why they think I am scum. I'm fine with getting lynched but I have put forth a lot of effort into this game. It would be nice to be shown the courtesy of a case.

Well Spy and Diddin are town, NtW is town, im not going to vote for jmurph or RA outside of rare situations and we can remove kunk from the equation.

All thats left there is

You, Rhinox, PJ, FA, Peregrine.

I think Peregrine is town, so thats four ponies.

Who am I gunning for? Well you will be able to figure that one out in the morning.

You are on the short list by virtue of being vanilla more or less.

SpyreX · Post Post #2376 (ISO) » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:49 pm

I'm here and madness will settle more tomorrow for actual words.

I really like and agree with PJ's singing song.

We need to figure out whats up with the hider being dead and NOT behind bob because the only other person mentioned would be - ntw.

And if he died behind a "survivor neighbor" then I'm calling super teaparty.

Rainbowdash · Post Post #2377 (ISO) » Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:31 pm

In post 2376, SpyreX wrote:We need to figure out whats up with the hider being dead and NOT behind bob because the only other person mentioned would be - ntw.

And if he died behind a "survivor neighbor" then I'm calling super teaparty.

Well likes I said, we got paranoid of a redirector/driver scum mostly thanks to me, and I talked farside and myself off of kunkstar. I really would think there is one at this point, since it was explicit who TJ was to hide behind. Not even sure if we would kill him since while we are not full town, we are not anti-town. Depended what his role said, mafia or not-town. Either way, as I have said, to be anti-town we would needed to have claimed and then ran up one of our own. We all be essentially town after the pink farside flip to me. Anypony screws with NtW need to go through me first, I do not go down easily.

I do not get the teaparty comment though. I dislike tea so am not sure of the implications behind it.

So yeahs... we did something along the lines of

Rainbow -> BD
Farside -> Peregrine (?) I tried to get her to move to Rhinox/BD but there was no confirmation of such
NtW -> Kunk

petroleumjelly · Post Post #2378 (ISO) » Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:05 pm

About to head the bed, but since it's been brought up a few times:

I am actually pretty

relieved

that farside22 flipped a different color. My big concern with the Aliens was that there were going to be two Town Aliens and one Scum Alien. But if the Aliens are some sort of Survivor Group -- which I now (semi)firmly believe -- then it really does not make sense for there to be scum within the group. Why make scum part of a survivor group? That doesn't make much sense. And I also certainly do not buy that they are somehow a collective scumgroup.

This also helps explain how Scott Brosius was probably

trying

to balance the game. I suspect the reviewing process went something like this: Scott Brosius suggests a 3-Man Vigilante group. It is probably shot down by reviewers. How do you balance it? It's powerful. Scum have to kill it three times, and I presume scum cannot even role-block it with any sort of consistency. So what to do?

It looks like there were two safeguards used. First, each Alien has to be on the day's lynch to use the power at all. Normally this would likely be difficult to do, except in this game the Aliens went out of their way to guarantee they get a nightkill. As it happens, this leads directly into the second safeguard: the Aliens aren't supposed to be obvious about their status. Because if they are, they should get nightkilled and lose. So the Aliens were

supposed

to balance "keeping themselves hidden enough to survive" against "trying to get nightkills so they can more easily achieve their win condition."

Ironically, I think it is probably the Aliens that will

win

us the game in the end, but chances are they will themselves lose in the process because ultimately they played their roles as if they were Town and not as if they were Survivors.

RandomActs · Post Post #2379 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:58 am

So Rainbow, when all the townies are gone and you are still alive, you win yes? Nor do the scum have to kill your team off to win, yes? How many townies have you killed so far? And you want us to trust you, why? I was LOL when you said you were saving the game for the town. Until last night you were a liability. I suggest you be more sure of your targets or keep your claws to yourself. Nothing says you *have* to take a shot if you’re not sure. Does it?

The only case Rainbow has against Juls is that she doesn’t take any of Rainbow’s crap (excuse me, manure.) I get nothing but town vibes from Juls.

I think the mob has safe claims. We’ll know more when Kunkstar flips, but the two dead scum so far had roles that were definitely evil in the movies. I expect the same from Kunkstar. For this reason, I’m inclined to leave FA (Woody) alone for now. No one has countered the name. I think it's a reach to finger FA. PJ's case is built upon bad play, but bad play does not equal scum.

By the way, I can confirm I've been neighborized by JMurph.

Rainbowdash · Post Post #2380 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:45 am

RandomActs wrote:So Rainbow, when all the townies are gone and you are still alive, you win yes? Nor do the scum have to kill your team off to win, yes? How many townies have you killed so far? And you want us to trust you, why? I was LOL when you said you were saving the game for the town. Until last night you were a liability. I suggest you be more sure of your targets or keep your claws to yourself. Nothing says you *have* to take a shot if you’re not sure. Does it?

No I would lose then since there is no town alive to meet town win condition meaning my win condition is not met. We do have to kill all scum because we win with town specifically, not scum. Neighbors have killed two town and one scum. You are trusting me because we are a big asset for the town right now and quite obviously exactly what we have claimed. If we activate the claw though we are compulsive, and we will take the right shot.

The only case Rainbow has against Juls is that she doesn’t take any of Rainbow’s crap (excuse me, manure.) I get nothing but town vibes from Juls.

So then who is scum my little pony? If FA, the masons and you are all town, it sounds like your list is the same as mine.

RandomActs · Post Post #2381 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:25 am

In post 2380, Rainbowdash wrote:No I would lose then since there is no town alive to meet town win condition meaning my win condition is not met. We do have to kill all scum because we win with town specifically, not scum.

If you require a town win for your win condition, then you'd be town, period. But you flip pink, not green. I don't believe you. I think you win merely by surviving.

So then who is scum my little pony? If FA, the masons and you are all town, it sounds like your list is the same as mine.

My suspects are PJ, Rhinox, and Peregrine.

RandomActs · Post Post #2382 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:45 am

In post 2376, SpyreX wrote:We need to figure out whats up with the hider being dead and NOT behind bob because the only other person mentioned would be - ntw.

And if he died behind a "survivor neighbor" then I'm calling super teaparty.

I agree we need to figure this out. Any theories?
(And you might want to explain this teaparty thing. Nobody gets it.)

SpyreX · Post Post #2383 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:56 am

diddin - A potatohead, mason
Flavour Analysis - Woody, JOAT
RandomActs - Jessie Cop with guilty on kunkstar
jmurph3 - Bullseye, Neighborizes Jessie or Woody
Juls - Mr. Pricklepants Vanilla Townie with Vengeful power
kunkstar7 - Ken, VT
NanookTheWolf - Alien, 3-way vig (alignment in question?)
PeregrineV - Big Baby Townie
petroleumjelly - Slinky Dog, VT
Rhinox- Barbie, townie
Rainbowdash - Alien, 3-way vig (alignment in question?)
SpyreX -A potatohead, mason
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Here's my best guesses on what's going on:

If kunk flips scum, RandomActs is town. Further, call it modfom, but that makes me think Rhinox is likelier to be town via flavor connections.

@FA: When you got your neighborhood with jmurph how was it seutp? I.E. did the MOD tell you that he was Bullseye or did he tell you that he was bullseye? I want this done BEFORE the lynch because of ~mysterious reasons~

This Woody-Jessie-Bullseye tryst is going to be the next major area of concern. JOAT with a cop + Cop with a cop + a method for, theoretically, them to push out the results is worrisome. The ONLY reason I'm not instantly calling blood there is the absence of protective roles we've seen.

As for the aliens - I'm really hesitant ONLY because of bobs flipping town. This means either 1.) Jak was on the space drugs, 2.) Scum have a roleblocker and a true redirector because they would have had to swap bobs AND a scum with each other 3.) Scott is a bad bad man who had him crash and burn behind a 'town survivor' or 4.) there is lying in that group. Be it NtW being a scum neighbor OR them opting to play a SK role this way.

The right answer for resolution of this assuming they don't do what johnny dont does is lynching scum today and tomorrow and seeing what parses out.

Now its time to look at the claimed setup as a whole:

Mason - diddin (Potatohead)
Mason - SpyreX (Potatohead)
Cop - RandomActs (Jessie)
JOAT (Vig, Jailkeep, Doc) - Flavour Analysis (Woody)

JOAT (BP, Vig, Tracker) -

bobsnox

(Buzz Lightyear)

Watcher - DeathNote (Lenny the Binoculars)

Odd-Night Hider - TheJackalope (Rex)

Jailkeeper - Bogre (Andy)

Jessie/Woody Neighborizer - jmurph (Bullseye)

Miller - ForseenCircumstance (Spider Baby)

VT - SodaSpirit17 (Hamm)

VT - glowball (Buster)

VT - Oversoul (Sarge)

VT - RandomActs (Wheezy)

VT - Juls (Mr. Pricklepants)
VT - kunkstar7 (Ken)
VT - Rhinox (Barbie)
VT - PetroleumJelly (Slinky Dog)
VT - PeregrineV (Big Baby)

Group Survivor Vig - farside22 (Alien 2)

Group Survivor Vig - Rainbowdash (Alien 1)
Group Survivor Vig - NanookTheWolk (Alien 3)

Mafia Godfather - Umbrage (Stinky Pete)

Mafia Echo - Blonde Doctor (Sid Phillips)

Mafia Roleblocker - ???

24 players is probably 5 scum in a unified group OR 6-7 scum (maaybe 8 in a 4-4 but really doubtful) in a split.

Assuming unifed with whats flipped AND what we have going on AND the existence of a godfather and a miller:
Jessie is town. 3 scum left is a 2-1 split VT/Power Roles which means either JMurph/FA is scum and one of Juls/Rhinox/PJ/PV is scum. Depending on how a few things shake out that should be easy to figure out. Gut says Rhinox is town out of that group and I'd be really happy to see one of PJ/PV (hint: pv) get alien'd and then Juls lynched to kill the last. Of the two power roles gut says its the neighborizer via doble JOAT flavor shenanigans but.

Assuming split:
Jmurph + Aliens + maybe one more are scum. WOO

Spoiler: VCA

I've got to catch up on some other things but maan ohh man does VCA look weird this game (and PV is probably scum).

PeregrineV · Post Post #2384 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:57 am

In post 2383, SpyreX wrote:
Now its time to look at the claimed setup as a whole:

Mason - diddin (Potatohead)
Mason - SpyreX (Potatohead)
Cop - RandomActs (Jessie)
JOAT (Vig, Jailkeep, Doc) - Flavour Analysis (Woody)

JOAT (BP, Vig, Tracker) -
bobsnox
(Buzz Lightyear)

Watcher - DeathNote (Lenny the Binoculars)

Odd-Night Hider - TheJackalope (Rex)

Jailkeeper - Bogre (Andy)

Jessie/Woody Neighborizer - jmurph (Bullseye)

Miller - ForseenCircumstance (Spider Baby)

VT - SodaSpirit17 (Hamm)

VT - glowball (Buster)

VT - Oversoul (Sarge)

VT - RandomActs (Wheezy)

VT - Juls (Mr. Pricklepants)
VT - kunkstar7 (Ken)
VT - Rhinox (Barbie)
VT - PetroleumJelly (Slinky Dog)
VT - PeregrineV (Big Baby)

Group Survivor Vig - farside22 (Alien 2)

Group Survivor Vig - Rainbowdash (Alien 1)
Group Survivor Vig - NanookTheWolk (Alien 3)

Mafia Godfather - Umbrage (Stinky Pete)

Mafia Echo - Blonde Doctor (Sid Phillips)

Mafia Roleblocker - ???

Mason - diddin (Potatohead)
Mason - SpyreX (Potatohead)
Cop - RandomActs (Jessie)
JOAT (Vig, Jailkeep, Doc) - Flavour Analysis (Woody)

JOAT (BP, Vig, Tracker) -

bobsnox

(Buzz Lightyear)

Watcher - DeathNote (Lenny the Binoculars)

Odd-Night Hider - TheJackalope (Rex)

Jailkeeper - Bogre (Andy)

Jessie/Woody Neighborizer - jmurph (Bullseye)

Miller - ForseenCircumstance (Spider Baby)

VT - SodaSpirit17 (Hamm)

VT - glowball (Buster)

VT - Oversoul (Sarge)

VT - RandomActs (Wheezy)

VT - Juls (Mr. Pricklepants)
VT - Rhinox (Barbie)
VT - PetroleumJelly (Slinky Dog)
VT - PeregrineV (Big Baby)

Group Survivor Vig - farside22 (Alien 2)

Group Survivor Vig - Rainbowdash (Alien 1)
Group Survivor Vig - NanookTheWolk (Alien 3)

Mafia Godfather - Umbrage (Stinky Pete)

Mafia Echo - Blonde Doctor (Sid Phillips)

Mafia Roleblocker - VT - kunkstar7 (Ken)

So I changed the cop claim over to mafia, leaving how many mafia?

And who are your top suspects? Give me three, since I think there's 6 total, but if you want to give me more that'd be good.

Juls · Post Post #2385 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:05 am

So I stand corrected. We did need to wait to hear from Spy.

SpyreX · Post Post #2386 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:08 am

<3

PV its still 2-1 (kunk + one of Juls/PV/Rhinox/PJ) / (Jmurph/Flavour Analysis) and while that'd be swimmingly nice if he was RB thats a good thing and I sure don't count on good things happening.

Its for the best it took so long because I'm really wroth that yesterday speedhammered versus the GAME under the "scum might take it guyz" gamble ESPECIALLY with how it turned out.

Juls · Post Post #2387 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:10 am

In fairness, bob and/or Jackalope and/or Scott Brosius is to blame for how that went down. Although it is possible that scum have a redirector which directed TJ somewhere else to hide setting up the mislynch.

SpyreX · Post Post #2388 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:13 am

I'll give you that. I'm just irritated that diddin didn't even get the CHANCE for fabulous prizes under some kinda fear mongering.

It doesn't make me happy.

But its all good like I said barring mystical shenanigans I'd break this over my knee and with a little energon and a lot of luck we will.

Juls · Post Post #2389 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:18 am

I had forgotten about the "Prizes through day 4" part.

SpyreX · Post Post #2390 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:20 am

Welllll while I'm busy with madness do me a favor and see how many people and which people "forgot" because I have a feelin

Juls · Post Post #2391 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:26 am

On bobs wagon: NanookTheWolf, farside22, bobsnox, Rainbowdash, jmurph3, petroleumjelly, Juls, kunkstar7

-NanookTheWolf part of 3 way vig to get on early
- farside22 part of 3 way vig to get on early
- bobsnox idiot
- Rainbowdash part of 3 way vig to get on early
- jmurph3 - climbed on with no mention of prizes
- petroleumjelly - jumped on after diddin suggested kunk/bob might grab prizes
- Juls forgot
- kunkstar is scum

kunkstar7 · Post Post #2392 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:34 pm

Vote: kunkstar7.

SpyreX · Post Post #2393 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:50 pm

Well that takes care of that.

"JOAT" I dont remember what you have left but Jesse being alive tomorrow would be super great kthx.

Team VIGS OF DEATH PLEASE HEED THE WORDS

Flavour Analysis · Post Post #2394 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:28 pm

@Spyrex: The mod told us we were neighborized by Bullseye (jmurph) and that we would have access to a qt the next Night.

SpyreX · Post Post #2395 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:32 pm

So you were told, flat out, he was bullseye.
Jmurph you were told, flat out, he was woody?

Rainbowdash · Post Post #2396 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:34 pm

In post 2381, RandomActs wrote:
In post 2380, Rainbowdash wrote:No I would lose then since there is no town alive to meet town win condition meaning my win condition is not met. We do have to kill all scum because we win with town specifically, not scum.

If you require a town win for your win condition, then you'd be town, period. But you flip pink, not green. I don't believe you. I think you win merely by surviving.

Of course we are not green, because we need MORE then just the town win condition to occur for us to win. If we were just survivor I would have pushed us into siding with scum more.

Its down to just a few ponies to shoot at.

@RA - We will not kill either Juls or jmurph tonight. That is all I will say there such that we don't hit the same pony.

diddin · Post Post #2397 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:22 pm

Juls should die at night so we don't have to deal with that goddamn vengekill.

Juls · Post Post #2398 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:27 pm

Again, make q case. Don't PoE me, that is stupid. My play has been obvtown

Juls · Post Post #2399 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:30 pm

q=a

iPad is killing me