Imperial Intrigue (Endgame, OUT OF NOWHERE)

[Otolia]

How do you think he's *not* playing to his wincon?

I have reasons to be he could have a special importance for me (considering some mechanics are not revealed to us). His WinCon definitely have a survive condition (even an shared one with the other claimant), so why he is bragging about being

the

heir when that is detrimental to his WinCon and the WinCon of the

Loyalists

?

I'm pretty sure this is a non-town claim.

I'm pretty sure you are wrong. In the possibility of unknown mechanics, he

could

have have a special role based on the wording of his claim. Since our main source of setup infos, gandalf, stated that shouldn't be the case I don't want to comment on it anymore. But I am sure that I am town and that he is aligned with

[Shinki]

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wasted shot was wasted.

If you has more kill DX or Shinki

Mind if I ask you why would you like to kill me?

ISO 0 looks like fence sitting and then hoping on one or the other so you wouldn't look as scummy.

Your Gandalf vote and the

reason

for the Gandalf vote in ISO 2 sounds pretty opportunistic to me. In ISO 3 you state "All the discussion concerning SK and David still a mess in my head, so I'd prefer to vote for something I find myself worth of voting, and not something that I don't quite understand."

Yet you still voted for something you didn't deem worthy of a vote?

but you know what I find funny? When I fosed you in 148 you said

NOTHING

but when we found out that SK is an actual day vig and I said I wanted a shot on you then you were concerned.

Not really

concerned

, I was just curious.
About your other vote, you voted me for reasons I already explained to MacDougall a few posts before, and he didn't feel like voting me as you did. So I thought it would be useless to argue something more with you.

[Shinki]

Aw, messed up with the quotes, my post start at "Not really" >:

[Nero Cain]

given its your first game I'm going to cut you some slack.

[SleepyKrew]

FoS Empking and Shinki cuz it's the cool thing to do.
David, you'll notice I said I would shoot at L-1. I was at L-1. I shot. Well geeeeeeee

monk, are you 1000% confirmed town to each other?

[SleepyKrew]

Also when do we lynch gandy?

[Nero Cain]

Nero, why would it specifically mention in Mod flavour that the rightful heir comes from the west to reclaim the throne?

There are armies stirring in the

north, west, and east

, all claiming to be fighting for the rightful heir to the throne!"

Way to twist the mods words.

but it doesn't really matter b/c....

Please remember that flavor has NO BEARING on any players' role or alignment.

[David Xanatos]

And yet House Argelev has suffered just as much as its subjects, for all its male heirs are dead of natural causes or killed in combat. Not in fifteen hundred years has such a crisis of succession occurred, and now the Imperium stirs. Plots centuries in the making mobilize, but they are threatened to be thwarted by the emergence of a lost son of House Argelev from the West, having finally come of age and seeking to reclaim his rightful throne. Opposing armies march on the capital even as emissaries and nobles gather in the court of the provisional ruler, each seeking to push an agenda of their own.

Oh hai mod post. Nero didn't see you there.

And Nero, I'm a Mason. THAT confirms my alignment.

[SleepyKrew]

Hey David. Hey. The post above yours, and the one above it.
I mean you don't HAVE to answer them cuz you're scum but I'd you outed some buddies that'd be nice.

[David Xanatos]

We're Masons. That answers the question.

Of course we're confirmed Town to each other.

And I'm not sure what to make of Gandalf. I don't like the fact he can apparently pick a faction, and I don't like the fact he's openly saying he doesn't want to pick tonight..

[Nero Cain]

Still doesn't matter. Mod says flavor doesn't make a player town/scum so...

still haven't responded to my question if you think both Sleepy and Kdowns are town vigs.

[SleepyKrew]

David, I meant the part about my shot.
Also, the question was to monk, tyvm.

[David Xanatos]

Nero, no, I don't. As I've said, I believe SK to be Scum.

SK > You were never at L-1, you were at L-2, as confirmed by the mod immediately after the dayvig. There were no unvotes between your attack and the dayvig processing.

Therefore, you're talking shite. And you used a Dayvig after handwaving at letting Town pick who it would be used on, which to me is either utter stupidity or a vain attempt to pad your ISO and make it look like you actually tried.

Vote count was #268 at L-4.

At #279 there was a vote, and at #289 too.

L-4 + 2 votes = L-2. 2 votes which were on the same page. You shot Samantha in #306.

I refuse to believe that a Town Dayvig would throw out a shot without checking the last vote count, and working forward. It risks taking a Town down with them far too easily, and that's before you get into the considerations of the Dayvig potentially being a CC breaker or a functional extra lynch.

[PeregrineV]

/meta
In 4 games with Gandalf, there have been 4 day1 claims.
50% power roles
50% flexible alignment
/meta

At some point I'm saying "No", and that point is now.

Vote: Gandalf

[David Xanatos]

Links?

[SleepyKrew]

Samantha was voting me. Of course her vote doesn't count NOW that she's dead. So I was L-1 shutup.

[SleepyKrew]

Furthermore, I said you two were the only two I'd shoot, and nobody voted. I have faith we can still get your scumass lynched.

[SodaSpirit17]

unvote

david, you are not confirmed until monk says so and then one of you flip.

[David Xanatos]

13 to lynch with 24.

11 votes.

12 to lynch with 23.

10 votes.

Yeah, you were L-2. Arithmetic is hard.

[Shinki]

So yourt argument is essentially that SK is so much superior to Espionage + AGM that he couldn't possibly do the same tactic? Sorry, I don't buy that at all.

FOS: Magua

As it happens on sleeping on it I can't evenm remember why I went on SK.

So...

Unvote, Vote: DX

So your argument is that I'm so goddamn suspicious that you'll admit that your vote on SK was bad and then vote who I want you to vote?

Bravo, sir.

Want Monk to confirm the masonry.

What post have I not said that the entirety of the DX wagon is stupid, I've been basically claiming mason with DX my entire ISO.

Not trying to defend David, but Monk already confirmed Mason's with him with this post, no?

[SodaSpirit17]

well, monk did confirm it. so if david flips scum (which I highly doubt) monk would be a great target.

SleepyKrew is really hard to read, but I have to think he is town.

Vote: AGar

Haven't heard much from you. Where do you stand amidst all this?

[SleepyKrew]

Mod said I am L-2 after Samantha died. Samantha was voting me. Logic is hard.

PEDIT: Are you fucking kidding me? AGar is one of the more outspoken anti-Davids.

[SleepyKrew]

I mean really. If you're going to vote a lurker, VOTE SOMEONE THATS ACTUALLY NOT CONTRIBUTING

[PeregrineV]

Links?

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17539
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=18459
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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19103

[David Xanatos]

Samantha was voting for you when players = 24, so lynch vote number was 13.

Samantha dies, you drop from 11 votes to 10.

There are now 23 players. It now requires 12 votes to lynch.

11/13 = L-2
10/12 = L-2

Logic is hard.