Mini 1243: Magician Mafia (Game Over)

[Amrun]

Junpei, springlullaby, Shift, fishy all on the scummy side of the scale in varying degrees. ALL previously noted. Still null on anxiety.

[Vi]

So you don't think GNR is scummy?

*shakes head*
*takes piece of paper*
*twists it*

Why?

*extends one-finger salute*

*leaves stage*
*returns onstage with shepherd's hook*
*yoinks sottyrulez to springlullaby wagon*

[saulres]

*Goes up to Vi and pulls the selective hearing earplugs from her ears*

Why do you ignore me, Vi? Gonna link again to the post I'd like you to confirm or further clarify. You don't even have to do the trick, just a simple nod if I understood correctly and a shake of the head if I didn't.

... And looking at the post I see that I didn't specifically ask you to validate. It was there when I was composing it but it must've gotten lost and I didn't notice.

[Vi]

*glares*
*shakes head*

[saulres]

Okay...

I give up then. Will someone who can talk please tell me what this means?:

Name mix-ups are VERY important to look at, who's the least likely to mess up a name and in what situation? HINT: Scum usually have pretty good ideas of who their scumbuddies are.

In reference to 227 and 228?

[Locke Lamora]

Ace: why is my 124 'neutral' yet multiple SL one-liners are 'fluff'? Why are my first two posts 'decent' yet SL 84 and 159 are dismissed? You're obviously not treating us even remotely similarly, you're just stretching and creating a dichotomy to make SL look scummier. The fact that you're now actually relying on this nonsense as a 'case' reinforces my scum read.

Junpei: I don't see how two heads of a hydra having a different opinion is inherently scummy. As far as I'm concerned, I would think VP and Juls were lying if they claimed to have exactly the same opinion on every single subject. It's not indicative of a lack of scumhunting at all, and there's no waffling. VP said that he thought GNR is bad town. Juls thinks he's scummy. So as far as I can tell, you're just overplaying a disagreement between the two heads to make the hydra look bad.

Saulres: to check that I'm following your line of reasoning, are you suggesting a sottyrulez/Vi/Anxiety scumteam?

[saulres]

I'm suggesting some sort of connection between at least two of them if not all three. I lean towards SR/4nxi3ty being scum, possibly tagging onto Vi to make her look bad if one of them flips (although Vi's hooking of SR a few posts up makes it look like she's in on it at least as far as SR goes). They could all be connected town, though, too. That's one of the reasons, as I explained above, why I think flipping one of them would be very telling.

I am trying to gather more information, though, before I V/LA (a misnomer, once I'm gone I will have

no

access until I return), because I'm of course open to other scum possibilities. I just haven't seen enough anywhere else which gives me potential links, making other flips essentially random and barely informative.

[Shift]

Sorry, very busy week, will be free Friday though.

Skimmed, didn't see much worth commenting on except something about me switching to a policy lynch off sotty. I had no plans to actually lynch Spring, it was a pressure vote for content and it worked. However...

@Vi, why do you choose to vote me instead of Guy_Named_Riggs?
I'm asking you specifically because you seem to think GNR is bad for the same reasons as me but choose to vote me instead whereas you know lurking is my habitual MO.
Are you seriously suggesting that I and GNR are scumbuddies(that's what I got from the horns things)? On what basis?

@Amrun
I'd like to ask you the same questions.

My opinion is that my current vote is a good one. Please see last reversed chainsaw defense in:

So I was catchting up on reading and saw Spring had about 3 votes added to him?

I must have missed it, can someone tell where the case agaisnt him is?

Deciphering this for you: GNR is defending un-defendable behavior (namely lurking) because
1) he is a lurker himself so what he is saying is in reality 'I'm a lurker and I shouldn't be lynched'
2) he is pre-emptively trying to associate town points for himself when/if I flip town because of our likeness of behavior.

Yeah, no, now this vote is serious.

[Shift]

Vi is probably town.

[springlullaby]

In post 85, Amrun wrote:Why does Junpei look all right to you?No follow up.I don't think this question was ever answered, actually. SL, please to be answering this.

And, spring, you want me to answer this question?

SERIOUSLY?

Die now.

...what?

I missed that question. I think Junpei is alright because what he post is reasonable, and he isn't being manipulative. A criticism against him would be that he is passive.
But I think he is alright.

And yes I think my vote is a good one.
In between all lurkers, GNR is certainly scummier than me.

You are voting me 3 days near deadline, what does it have to do with anything?

[springlullaby]

I'm curious, why is everyone ignoring GNR?
Just from that my vote stays.

I've seen the sotty and ace wagon. I find neither more scummy than GNR.
Their lynches aren't going to be informative either because:
1. sotty wagon has been led by crab who is a dead town read of mine. it's contaminated by too much town anger.
2. the ace wagon has been led by sotty who is 50/50 manipulative town who's saving neck when his case on crab explodedor manipulative scum who's saving neck when his case on crab exploded.

Between sotty and ace, I find Sotty to be slightly more at risk to be scum.

But neither are glaringly obviously bad as GNR.

[Junpei]

Junpei: I don't see how two heads of a hydra having a different opinion is inherently scummy. As far as I'm concerned, I would think VP and Juls were lying if they claimed to have exactly the same opinion on every single subject. It's not indicative of a lack of scumhunting at all, and there's no waffling. VP said that he thought GNR is bad town. Juls thinks he's scummy. So as far as I can tell, you're just overplaying a disagreement between the two heads to make the hydra look bad.

Inherently scummy? I don't believe I ever said it was, we must consider first the background information pertaining to this dissonance. There aren't many facts to consider so it is straightforward.

1) The hydra promised no dissonance

2) They are a closed hydra

The first point shows that this dissonance creates a lie, a broken promise. I do not believe lies to be inherent of scum because <insert my game theory rant here>, but it is certainly something to note. It is not a lie I would normally consider fine, it is a lie of hydra dissonance which, to me, has its own category. I don't know the contents of the hydra well enough (juls, vp) to evaluate this lie fully.

The second point is where this complicates matters, a closed hydra implies one head, a uniform entity. Earlier I interrogated Juls on why she was signing her posts when, I. sotty wasn't signing posts II. not all unsigned posts are sotty's. We can add to this list that they are now attempting to be a fully closed hydra. So, we must treat the situation accordingly. A closed hydra is a single entity, when a closed hydra shows dissonance, it can't be traced. Person X said a, Person Y said b. However we do not know X or Y's thought process, rather the entity of X and Y's thought process (we'll call this Z). So while we can find motives in Z's actions, we cannot find motive in X or Y's actions. So when they act as X and Y, rather than Z, we cannot see motive relative to their whole play. This is stealthy, and would be something scum might do. I think the probability of scum doing it outweigh the possibility of town doing it, ergo a scum tell.

I brought up my earlier interrogation of the hydra because it shows perhaps, uncertainty in just what they want to do. I don't know how to evaluate this well (maybe someone else does?), as my 1 time hydra experience, we decided pregame easily that we wished to be closed, and there was little differentiating from that plan. It is really just a wrench thrown into everything, this is another reason that I dislike playing with hydras, but we deal.

Finally, the waffling is existent, as the entity of the slot is saying two contradictory things in regards to the same slot. You cannot have bad TOWN and SCUM as the same person, it makes no sense. This is doublethink, which can be credited perhaps to them simply being a hydra, but their proclamation of being a solitary being make me hesitant to give them that extra rope. All in all, it isn't a huge scum tell, in fact all I have done in this post is elaborate on a condensed version that is widely understood well, but you apparently don't.

[saulres]

why is everyone ignoring GNR?

Sounds like my cue to ISO! (I do so love ISOing requests.) And with 12 posts, this shouldn't take long.

First 5 posts: No content.

243: Presumes Ace and SR are scumbuddies because SR changed his vote to ace right after Vi did. So votes -- Ace? Weird.

245 and 246: Calls SR Crab by mistake and buddies up to Vi.

Wait what? How many times are people going to call other people by the wrong names in this game?

285 confirms his thought that SR is scum.

325 thinks 4nxi3ty's annoying town.

416 talks about spring and sees votes but not the reasons behind them.

Spring, I think everybody's ignoring GNR because he's not really doing anything. That's not necessarily scummy.

[Crab Canon]

Junpei, you are taking a situation that is very clear and reasonable and turning it into a RIDICULOUS case. VP and I did not have an opportunity to communicate between the time I caught up and the time he left for his move. We joined a hydra together for this very reason. He was going to be moving and I will be out of town with no access from October 14-23. There are going to be times where there is just one head in here. GNR isn't the lynch today so the point is moot. If need be, we will discuss this further when he gets settled in. This is the last time I am discussing this. Either move on or continue to weak scum hunt and we will deal with you accordingly.

[Fishythefish]

Why do people find spring going after GNR scummy? At this stage, I'd have thought scum would have more reason to go for one of the other wagons to avoid their lynch, rather than sit on an unpopular lurker wagon. Still really not seeing where this spring wagon came from.

[Junpei]

Junpei, you are taking a situation that is very clear and reasonable and turning it into a RIDICULOUS case. VP and I did not have an opportunity to communicate between the time I caught up and the time he left for his move. We joined a hydra together for this very reason. He was going to be moving and I will be out of town with no access from October 14-23. There are going to be times where there is just one head in here. GNR isn't the lynch today so the point is moot. If need be, we will discuss this further when he gets settled in. This is the last time I am discussing this. Either move on or continue to weak scum hunt and we will deal with you accordingly.

Simply stating my analysis of the situation. I understand this, and am willing to give you guys time seeing as there are circumstances as such. I was giving the depth to articulate to Locke Lamora the reasoning behind my initial suspicion.

@saulres

Is doing nothing town? Would you say that it is more likely for town to 'do nothing' or for scum to 'do nothing'? Naturally I'm referring to lack of scumhunting in regards to this as well, keep that in mind when answering.

[saulres]

Doing nothing is neither town nor scum. I believe it's disinterest. I've seen townies post extremely few and meaningless posts and still be VT.

[Vi]

I'm curious, why is everyone ignoring GNR?
Just from that my vote stays.

I've seen the sotty and ace wagon. I find neither more scummy than GNR.
Their lynches aren't going to be informative either because:
1. sotty wagon has been led by crab who is a dead town read of mine. it's contaminated by too much town anger.
2. the ace wagon has been led by sotty who is 50/50 manipulative town who's saving neck when his case on crab explodedor manipulative scum who's saving neck when his case on crab exploded.

Between sotty and ace, I find Sotty to be slightly more at risk to be scum.

But neither are glaringly obviously bad as GNR.

Why do people find spring going after GNR scummy?

*turns off smoke machine*
*gestures for assistants to remove mirrors*

[springlullaby]

Alright, dumping my notes now to move GNR vote. Wall warning.

Crab

4. jk VOTE SOTTY
13. Answer Junpei's kinda antagonistically
13. Ask if saulres has played with junpei before??
18. implies saulres was buddying junpei - meh
31. Half decent questions at junpei and sathoris plus a little chat with VI -- Filler post alert
41. fluff + VOTE SAULRES, no reasoning
48. ask if anxiety is an alt, fluff question (attributing this to juls)
63. reasonable game tips
68. jk fluff
70. normal answer to junpei
86. VOTE JUNPEI - weak reason but alright post
88. Ok answer to VI
90. ok answer to VI saying it's still early
93. Meta prod on JUNPEI - ok
115. still defending his vote on Junpei, if this goes on for much longer it is going to be bad.
123. Ask Locke why he is inactive- ok
140. OK answer to sotty - townish
142. reasonable justification of his stance on vi
144. ok reply to saulres
155. Reasonable reply to sotty
162. VOTE SOTTY, hmm clear omgus, but maybe town omgus
164-5. angry crab - i'm going to give this a TOWN READ
169. good reply to sotty, the reasoning was weak TOWNREAD
170-171. TOWNREAD, not reading Crab anymore, he is town.

Conclusion: unlikely to be scum unless buddy with Sotty but that scenario is stretching at this point. Good early posts. Straightforward and regular posting history. Justified in his reasons to vote Sotty.

Saulres

5. Ask me ok question
10. Answer junpei's questions, agree about me
16. Answer Crab
25. Answer crab again (without quote) about high fiving junpei.
37. Jumpy at being voted it seems, and kinda lame forum magic trick - I think this post doesn't look good but it's mostly due to awkward humor - NULL
56. meh post, seem to think VI is confirmed town
62. Answer to shift. likey that post ok
74. Calls Shift hypocrite
121. Say that anxiety's first vote is ok, add that has no read on Shift - sounding bad, the 'honestly' especially - throaway post and useless
127. Reasonable post and vote on Anxiety - TOWNISH
132. reasonable reply to anxiety
134. bizarrely seem to be capable of understanding anxiety
136. bizzarely seem to have forgotten that he is the questionner, but reasonable
141. question Crab Cannon - where did your case on anxiety go?
143. ok question to crab
145. wrap up question to crab - ok but seems opportunistic
177. bad posting, fluff while not taking stance
182. bringing in forgotten case on shift, bizarre timing since it was never pushed proeminently - PINGING
192. Mason hunting - DO NOT LIKE
196. a bit late to the party but ok stance on crab and sotty
199. post feel almost formal in a funny way NULL
235. what is this? rolefishing? masons outing?
240.ask sotty why he is sheeping VI - ok I guess
244. Alright question to GNR
275. thinks sotty is scummier than cc - agreed. Not Reading anymore Very unlikely Scum.

Conclusion: Very unlikely to be scum. Reasonable posts and regular posting history. Only critique is that he seems slightly passive, but I'm reading this as town too due to my knowing his town meta. Also the vote on Anxiety did not look like a scum move.

Anxiety

6. VOTE CRAB for bizarre reason
11. ???
22. can't make sense of that question. why ask shift if he wants to avoid interraction between junpei and saulres (with?)
24. Can't make sense of the opinion stated here, fluff but null.
34. Tell Vi to 'not post that much'? after two posts? what is this? - something's wrong in this - GUT PING
39. Commenting on Vi's timer...something I'm missing here.
43. Thought VI was 'overachieving' - I can relate to that
52. UNVOTE --why unvote? DO NOT LIKE
101. Saying that he is behind, non sensical question about shif - ????
105. Tell shift to not defend him; and distance from saulres, the ace ???? - Bizarre reply to junpei - this is what is a textbook case of overdefensive, but here I get the feeling that it has to do general awkwardness - hard to read
106. 'gonna plead the fith' - malajusted answer, same as above
108. ??? what???
110. ...
126. say that shift seems to be scum but VOTE CRAB CANON - ???
128. nonsensical again - cult, okay for townies to buddy???
129. pressing anxiety a bit more, reasonable
130. bizarre quote
131. ask saulres if he is sure shift wasn't buddying with ace -- nonsensical again
133. ...
135. ask if shift is distancing or buddying ace - twisted and to an extent nonsensical
138. hinting that he was voting to see reaction? - this is starting to smell of bullshit
167. scumteam: saulres/shifr/ace/cc. I still can't make sense of the crab vote, but sounds townish here - ARE YOU SLEEPYKREW?
175.weak answer to crab
178. What are you on about??
200. i don't get who this is supposed to be in reply too. Ah yess to ace's comment about the cc wagon in response to forgot whom.
202. bizarre out of place comment.
204. yeah outright bizarre ?
206. Empty words - REALLY BAD POST
209. long quote wal + one liner - I'm not willing to let this pass forever.
213. this is true to an extent but I think what crab have said is fair.
223. VOTE ACE without reasoning
248. ???
266. says saul/crab and shift are scum. out of nowhere bad posting.
298. defensive post which is also empty
309. annoying.
323. annoying
356. I'm giving up reading this guy.

Conclusion: I have no real read on him - all his actions are nonsensical, and are coupled with bad reads. The thing that is holding me back from calling him scum is the too scummy to be scum factor, which one must resist. Gambling on troll town for now. Maybe a problem if he survives too long. I'm suggesting vigging.

Amrun

7. VOTE SHIFT
17. Question Shift, bizarre question, twisted
21. Saying that my reasons to think shift leaning tow are null tell. OK
28. Ask me why I think shift is town, ok question I guess
83. VOTE JUNPEI - weak reasoning but it is ok
85. Ask me why I think Junpei looks alright
98. press junpei, seems a bit opportunist but fair
116. Good question to shift - likey
117. Good follow up question
120. Suggest Shift as scum
137. relevant question to anxiety
158. question to sotty, a bit bizarre, I would assume that scum would know too, but a good one upon reflexion
161. good read and ok reply - ME LIKEY
187. GOOD POSTING - not reading Amrun anymore, she is town.

Conclusion: Prolly town. A couple of very good posts early on. Reasonable and regular posting. Also, knowing a bit about Amrun's scum meta, I don't think this is it.

Sotty

8.VOTE ANXIETY
111. ask for more lurky time - high five
139. VOTE CRAB for 'inside knowledge' (weak); says anxiety got a lot better (hm what?); says ace's tone is off (don't really agree) - aggressive post, weak reasoning
147. ok point about anxiety, on Crab reasoning is still weak, ok point on opinion about shift
149. reply to Vi, a bit buttlicky but ok
160. ok point about amrun
163. if this is an accusation, then this is scummy, but it looks more like wishy washy, before unvote pride posting
166. good rationale, frolicing the border of bs though
168. good post in reply to AMRUN - townish
172. Bad sotty really bad
174. same as above
179. Bad post
193. ok post in reply to amrun
194. ok reasoning but i think it is starting to be making much ado about nothing
197. 'organic' 'forced'? - thisis starting to be obtuse
198. this is pretty close to existing the stage with grace i guess
211.why still no unvote? this isn't looking good
221. Vote ace...for?
229. Baiting
239. accuse saulres of fishing
241. seems to think saulres is town - says Vi is town, contradiction kinda, the whole point on crab was that he thought Vi was prolly town - this is bad
258. ok post, but the address to Ace is not fair.
265. lame and needlessly antagonistic
273. eerrrk smells like BS and streching. BAD
282. this looks very suspiciously like wagon fishing about Anxiety - VERY BAD
295. still thinks Crab is scum??? erk
297. empty reply to ace- meh
302. fishy/crab love affair? - mehhh
304. Backtracking on Crab, looks pretty bad, but the hypocrisy and obtuseness may just be town
306-7. ...
315. threaten people with town flip. Meh. looks like town but i think sotty and zach both would know to pull that one as scum - NULL
318. truth
328. obtuse
379. says fishy is backtracking. meh

Conclusion: Meh-ish. I think the aggressiveness with which he came in the game was protown but the reasoning on Crab was weak. The subsequent backtracking didn't look very good, and the vote on ace is weak also. But I'm thinking that town couldn't have done it with more grace either. And there is some post that rings town later on. In any case not willing to lynch today.

JUNPEI

9.RVS questions, meh
36. Very bizarre question to Vi, although looks TOWNISH
40. relevant questions to anxiety, OKY
45. Decent VOTE SAULRES
50. OK answer
69. question about hydra crab
70. pursue questionning
75. okay answer to ace
92. long post decipehring VI, a bit useless but I like how he interpreted Vi- that he chose to interpret it as 'not everyone has answered yet' strike me as something someone who genuinely wanted the questions answered would think - TOWN
95. Long drawn reply to crab, but ok in content
97. Ok reply to ace
99. Long drawn, i'm starting to dislike the lack of active pressure but I guess it is fair to say that he is defending himself
107. Ok reply to ace, comment on 'the fith' - the passivity here is starting to grate
109. unexpected teeth, twisted question here - meh, but making sense out of anxiety is difficult
157. filler
247. Goodposting. TOWN, not reading JUNPEI anymore.

Conclusion: Unlikely scum. Reasonable and regular posts. Thoughtful posts during the Crab/Sotty thing. I also think tha vote on Saulres doesn't look like a scum move but genuine scumhunting. Only con is a bit on the passive side. But still pretty good overall.

SATHORIS - Fishy

12. Answer question, VOTE JUNPEI (kinda like)
53. VLA announcement
191. filler
214. a couple of ok reads
292. VOTE SOTTY Goodposting with relevant questions
299. Goodposting. Not reading anymore TOWN

Conclusion: Unlikely to be scum. Strong town vibe. Reasonable and relevant remarks. Shorter observation time makes the deal easier I guess, but still strong town vibe.

SHIFT

15. Answer Junpei, VOTE VI
19. Answer Amrun. First impression was that it looked like town expressing frustration encountered in the past, now it looks bad because what shift says is kinda nonsensical: i have never seen anyone being lynched for not answering rsq
23. ok answer about mafia experience I guess, smells a tad of newbie card; fluff answer to fluff questionning from anxiety
32. Comment on Vi, VOTE SAULRES out of nowhere - MEH
59. fluff
61.say saulres' reaction to his vote is scumtastic without saying why + post padding - meh
64. a bit of backtracking on saulres: from 'scumstastic' to 'reasonable vote' - PINGING
67. lurer prodding + fluff - MEH
76. overreactive reply to saulres, calls him scum for what??? +fluff post - DO NOT LIKE
78. fluff banter with VI
80. same as above - ME NOT LIKE
82. same as above - NOT LIKE
102. not seeing Junpei as scum, announce that he may move his vote soon, why announce it --- DO NOT LIKE
113. Reasonable question to anxiety, and lol and saul ace assoc - DO NOT LIKE the LOL bit - does it mean that you are scum with people other than saul or ace?
117. say that he has skimmed, this post is a BAD POST
119. honest enough but scum can do that too
156. filler
251. Lol at suspicions on him - no likey, VOTE GNR, I agree with that vote, but the way it's stuck in the middle give me a bad feeling.
254. Says that VI is goodposting - why. suspicion are Riggs/Ace/Sotty - haven't seen anything on ace before that
260. Shift is leaning scum on sotty...long post with very little content - BAD
317. very opportunistic VOTE SOTTY - HORRIBLE SCUM
338. ok comment on Locke
367. says CC is town, amrun is town, ace and junpei unsure, anxiety unreadable. Disagree strongly with ace and junpei read. - this post leaves to much room for mislynch, and is basically repeating popular town read --SCUM
378. VOTE ME.
381. tell sotty that he can't consider fishy to be backtracking
383. ATE
457. yeah, why??
458. Vi is prolly town???

Conclusion: High danger of being scum. The vote on Saulres was bad and drawn out for too long for the weak (if any) reasoning that supported it, as bad as the way he removed his vote from saulres. The vote on Sotty was also really opportunistic. Vote hoping pattern with no individual scumhunting to speak of. Looks like scum alright.

Vi

30. VOTE JUNPEI apparently because of RQS. Seems to indicate that she doesn't know saulres, anxiety or sathorsis.
33. dunno what that's about
35. smilley
44. Seems to be saying that she can't break restriction, VOTES SAULRES without reason
51...
55. Long drawn useless post.
65. says saulres is streching, distance from crab canon - FLUFF
73. tell junpei to shut up. BIZARRE ???
77. UNVOTE SAULRES and disagree with shift - GOOD
79. Distance from Shift, litteraly
81. fluff - I'm not liking that bit of exchange between shift and VI, it looks a lot like coaching
87. VOTE CRAB - ok reason
89. convoluted post with no clear meaning, I think it means that VI thinks Crab is framing and misreping Junpei - ok point
91. smiley
100. agree with ace's divination of latest post
112. FOS Ace by association with Crab - weak
148. useless
151. useless
152. useless
220. UNVOTE CRAB, seems to think crab/sotty is town on town; VOTE ACE for 'scum driven counter wagon comment' - meh
231. Seems to say Ace is scummy in connection to Crab - uncharacteristically weak on page 10, especially after the unvote on crab
236. Confirm vote on ACE, why? what is the reasoning - meh, can't make excuse for pantomime forever
253. confirm vote on Ace again. and don't see anything that justify the associative tell with crab.
257. Aquiesce to name mix?? Why??? This has to be the most unreliable tell, i can pulled out ton of post I mixed name as town - BAD
286. seems to think anxiety is townish.
290. useless post
305. long post for..what?
320. try to convince people to vote ace, on what reasoning again???-- BAD
337. thinks both crab and sotty are town
374. Long crappy useless post with unjustified confirm vote on ace. BAD
376. seem to think 'scumdriven' counterwagon is scummy. why.? BAD
387. Dismiss another attempt at deciphering her without providing further clarification -- VERY BAD
394. same as above
400. VOTE ME, without explanation
403. useless
451. useless

Conclusion: Danger of being scum. Pattern of dismissing other's effort at deciphering her while not putting in the effort of making herself more clear. Three 'confirm votes' on Ace with weak reasoning (association tell as far as I can make out), dropped speedily for a lurker vote. Too many 100% fluff post. The only thing that is holding me back now is the inherent difficulty of the post restriction and the fact that it hints at a possible PR. Willing to let it pass for today, but not indefinitely.

Locke Lamora

49. q Junpei what has changed between 40 and 45. Ask saulres experice. VOTE ANXIETY without reason. meh
122. VOTE SHIFT, bizzare question about how much of shift's 102 is a joke, I don't see the reasoning here - potential distancing
124. honest answer about inactivity but scum can do that too
335. ok post - Townish
386. ok reasoning to VOTE ACE, still a bit opportunism and self defense
455. I think it's true that ace's case on me is force, but this has to be corrected by the fact that he is under pressure. town do that too. ok post TOWNISH

Conclusion: Townish. Not a lot of material but nothing bad, slight town vibe.

Guy Named Riggs

57. fluff
58. Newbie Card
60. fluff
103. Ask people to explain the Junpei wagon - WTF
154. fluff
243. say Sotty is scum, then VOTE ACE 'his partner' - WTF - SCUM
245. easier to get Ace lynched? sotty bussing Ace? what looks like bussing exactly? - weak reasoning bad feeling
285. say ace and sotty are scum without reason. ewww
325. says anxiety is prolly town.
352. WTF, anxiety is immitating VI, VI is town PR so anxiety is town??? kills with fire.
416. GNR is bad scum

Conclusion: High Danger of being scum. This is a case of what I identify as scum lurking: unrelated content posts. Plus what I said about his comment on my wagon. His vote on ace is there with totally bad reasoning: in #245 he said that he thought Sotty was scum but voted Ace only because it was easier to get the latter lynched, yet he made no comment when the Sotty wagon took off for good. Lynch lynch lynch. His flipping scum slightly rise the chance of Sotty being scum. Willing to lynch hard.

Ace

72. dislike of saulres wagon - ok, VOTE JUNPEI, - reasoning is meh but it is early, likey stance on VI
96. Aggresive toward Junpei, weak reasoning but ok tone
104. Ask anxiety to explain vote on crab and unvote (ok) - why don't i have record of that question?
114. pressing Anxiety for a very early vote, - I can relate to the reasoning, but the choice of target is weak I think, but ok
146. says that anxiety isn't likely scum (ok), press Junpei
184. Say he thinks sotty is scum driving a counter wagon on Junpei?
234. says sotty is scummiest out of Vi/anxiety/Sotty - ok post
249. weak vote as I don't think Sotty is the scummiest player, just a very visible one - but adjusted for omgus, I'd say it's an ok post.
255. meh reply to shift and post about name mix
262. disagree on stance on GNR, it is a very plausible statement for crappy scum to make, must resist too scummy to be scum. But anyway, TOWN, not reading anymore.

Conclusion: Very unlikely scum. Good reads in general, and relevant comment. Plus the fact that the wagon on him is 100% bullshit.

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TL, DR

Town

Amrun
saulres
Junpei
Crab Canon (VP Baltar/Juls)
ace5993
Sathoris Fishythefish

Townish

Locke Lamora
4nxi3ty

Icky - but not willing to lynch for now

sottyrulez (Sotty7/Zachrulez)
Vi

Red handed scum - please lynch

Shift
Guy_Named_Riggs

[springlullaby]

^^^
Anxiety is actually kinda in the icky category too. But I don't think he really matters now.

[Amrun]

SL, you said "same question back at you" earlier and that is the only question I could think of.

I do like your catchup content, though you had to be dragged into it.

VOTE: ace

Junpei's current posting is just the most fabricated crap.

But nobody will wagon him with me for some reason. Ugh.

[Vi]

*reads post 468*

*causes release form for

P&T: BULLSHIT!

to appear in hand with puff of smoke*

*holds release form in front of springlullaby impatiently*

SL, you said "same question back at you" earlier and that is the only question I could think of.

I do like your catchup content, though you had to be dragged into it.

VOTE: ace

Junpei's current posting is just the most fabricated crap.

But nobody will wagon him with me for some reason. Ugh.

Junpei, springlullaby, Shift, fishy all on the scummy side of the scale in varying degrees. ALL previously noted. Still null on anxiety.

*quizzical look*

[Vi]

*clarifies post*

VOTE: ace

Junpei, springlullaby, Shift, fishy all on the scummy side of the scale in varying degrees. ALL previously noted. Still null on anxiety.

*quizzical look*

[springlullaby]

What about Guy Named Riggs or Shift?
They are good choices. WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPENS!

[Amrun]

Vi, I'm looking at wagon viability, quite obviously. I've pushed Junpei since early on and never got a wagon on him, let alone t-3.


BUT skimming through, perhaps Shift is more viable.

I'MMA TRY IT

VOTE: Shift