The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Mastermind of Sin]

Again … what reason do I have to make up anything. If I did either Seraph could easily invite someone else into the QT who could directly refute my statements. This is once again either stupid or scummy paranoia.

How do we know the Seraphs could do that?

Oh wait, cuz you told us they could. -.-

Again, I'm not saying you're obvscum or anything, I just don't feel like it's prudent to take everything you say as face value until I have good reason to. I feel like you're just distracting us away from actually lynching scum at this point, whether or not you intend to.

quote="In post 1024 , Herodotus"]No typo, Mastermind of Sin, I just left off some letters.

Finding a third party and having no suspects beyond that isn't a way to win as town. Suppose Feysal is the lynch; what next?[/quote]

For less confusion, you're better off using MoS instead of Mas when addressing me. I would have thought you were talking to someone else if you hadn't just been talking about me in the sentence before.

I'm going to cross that bridge when I come to it. It's not like I'm not looking, I just haven't seen anyone else do something that jumped out at me as scummy yet. The game is still young, and I generally take time to ramp up to the point where I have a multitude of solid reads on people, at least in a large game anyway.

[SpyreX]

I'm almost forced to break my princesslessly character at the sheer jaw-dropping level of paranoia above me.

MoI is p town. FURTHER, I'm 350% sure that alignment doesn't factor into the truthosity about the Seraphs one bit.

[Furcolow]

Herodotus, I doubt you'll get any Sun and Moon content

[Plum]

Anglachel

I sought to have your secret heart remade
in my own image. Lovers so conspire
who are not happy until love's a blade

My own soul was the forge, your soul the fire
Your dark heart and my dark heart intertwined
in my own image. Lovers so conspire

and who can stand against such love combined?
Yet you defend, as though I were the prey,
your dark heart and my dark heart intertwined.

My broken hands will wield you while I may.
I know you will not love these hands for long
yet you defend, as though I were the prey.

The fire of stars, the dark of space your song.
What made me think I could contain your rage?
I know you will not love these hands for long.

You are the iron bar that forms my cage
I sought to have your secret heart remade
What made me think I could contain your rage
who are not happy until love's a blade

- fileg

VOTE COUNT #2.4

Furcolow - 1 - Espeonage
Feysal - 3 - Mastermind of Sin, Dekes, Andrius
VitaminR - 2 - Herodotus, Gut
Dekes - 3 - MagnaofIllusion, SpyreX, VitaminR
kanyeknowsbest -

5

- Wraith, Furcolow, gandalf5166, ooba, Ellibereth
Sun and Moon - 1 - Empking,

Not Voting (5): Sun and Moon, mockingjaye, Feysal, kanyeknowsbest, Will-o-wisp

With 20 alive it will take 10 votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 will be on October 13th; exact time will be determined soon but basically when I feel like it.

[mockingjaye]

First, I'm sorry about not posting. One of my cats got sick this weekend and she died Monday, and because of that, I didn't feel like doing much of anything for the past few days, so I didn't. Second, Ludi, if you're still reading, I hope everything goes well and you're in my prayers. Third, congratulations to SpyreX and his new baby. Oh and fourth, I hope you've had a good holiday, Plum.

Now back to the game.

I can't comment on activity levels since mine have been so lacking today, but I had a strong scum read on Kanye on D1, and that hasn't gone away. I know Feysal is claimed 3rd Party whatever, but I think we're in a solid enough position as a town to put off his lynch a day or two, depending on how things go. SKs aren't always bad: Gollum from the

LOTR

game last year, for example, was very beneficial to the town, and time is still on our side right now.

Also, there has been talk about the SK (which was Katy and I) from

Olympus

, and as that SK, I made a case for not lynching us in that game since we had a wincon that would have allowed us to win with town under a certain circumstance. I'm going to stick with that here, because Feysal will now either have to kill as assigned or not kill at all, and I'm actually thinking it's best he doesn't kill at all in case there is a redirector or some other type of shenanigans in play which could manipulate his targets/shots, at least until we have a better handle on the mechanics of the game itself and/or see more flips. That would settle the problem of scum interfering with his kills. Feysal may not like it, but he's been outed and doesn't have much choice but to do as told.

What I want to know from Feysal, though, is how many targets he has, the exact nature of his wincon, and his kill flavor if specified.

I want a Kanye lynch today. In addition to everything I said about him yesterday, I'd like to remind everyone that several people have stated something to the effect of that either Kanye or Feysal must be scum given the turnaround on the wagon yesterday, and no one really objected to that sentiment, and in fact, it seems to have been pretty much accepted. So, to be painfully obvious, Feysal is claiming 3rd party, and Furc is backing him up, so that would suggest that said scum is Kanye.

Vote: Kanye

For pretty much everything I said yesterday, so if you don't remember, go back and read my comments. In fact, some of you should anyway because I had questions that may still be relevant for you. (Ahem, Espeonage.)

[Gut]

I want a Kanye lynch today. In addition to everything I said about him yesterday, I'd like to remind everyone that several people have stated something to the effect of that either Kanye or Feysal must be scum given the turnaround on the wagon yesterday, and no one really objected to that sentiment, and in fact, it seems to have been pretty much accepted. So, to be painfully obvious, Feysal is claiming 3rd party, and Furc is backing him up, so that would suggest that said scum is Kanye.

Nope! I think the turnaround was due to people thinking both wagons were silly. If there's widespread disagreement with the reigning wagons, things tend to be volatile.

[Furcolow]

at least 1 scum on feysal right now, maybe 2 or 3

[ooba]

@Gut
Disagree on the Furclow shoot.
Espeonage or VitaminR are excellent SK shots.

@MoI
Look above for S&M reasoning. (It is further proof of town alignment if they post elsewhere on the site while totally ignoring this game)
Also, I am very confident on town. reads this game.

4 more votes for a kanye lynch. Please join.

[MagnaofIllusion]

But ooba probably IS town for his posting in general today and his putting us on the townlist when there is no real reason to put us there.

Ooba is oozing town in my opinion. Please continue.

This always makes me shake my head. You both give ooba a Town read based on placing you an a Town list when you don’t deserve to be there? That’s a classic scum play from a stronger player … buddy up to lurkers / those under fire to win you over for later.

Not that I have a scum reads on ooba’s slot currently but the principle remains valid …

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Whichever Seraph gives me the best powers will win me over for their side

Congratulatons … you’ve earned a lynch / arrow through the eye well before LYLO!

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How do we know the Seraphs could do that?

Oh wait, cuz you told us they could. -.-

Oh, so you think there is any likelihood that the Seraphs don’t have a means to actively contact Town? Please explain to me why you would think that.

I feel like you're just distracting us away from actually lynching scum at this point, whether or not you intend to.

Actually … that’s exactly what you are doing. You’ve parked your vote on Feysal (which isn’t a bad thing) and pretty much done no significant scum-hunting outside of him today.

You talked about Jester policy and diverted into this little sidebar about the Seraphs.

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Look above for S&M reasoning. (It is further proof of town alignment if they post elsewhere on the site while totally ignoring this game)
Also, I am very confident on town. reads this game.

Disagree but at this point we are in a game theory discussion so I’m going to leave it alone.

I’ve also seen other games recently where you were confident of your reads – Atomic and BTTF. Not exactly something that makes me confident when I see you state that.

[VitaminR]

ooba makes a good point about Sun and Moon.

Yeah, today's lynch should be VitR.

This is getting stupid. I'm having a hard time believing this is sincere. Is chamber even really there this time?

[Wraith]

Prod-dodge

Sorry if I've dropped off the face of the earth but I'm trying to stay afloat until fall break this weekend.

[Gut]

ooba makes a good point about Sun and Moon.

Yeah, today's lynch should be VitR.

This is getting stupid. I'm having a hard time believing this is sincere. Is chamber even really there this time?

VOTE: Gut

After Invictus you should know better ....

I'm at least 9/5ths the man I was then.

[Mist Beauty]

Catching up right now. Post incoming on Friday. My bad guys.

[Feysal]

Feysal... just a quick question - Didn't those games have a point system that rewarded goals and made it possible for multiple factions to win?

Indeed it did. My win condition in that game did not rule out winning with town, although it was not supposed to be possible unless I died. Nevertheless, my argument was that I can and could cooperate with town, and in that game I went further with it than was necessary to ensure my own victory.

What I want to know from Feysal, though, is how many targets he has, the exact nature of his wincon, and his kill flavor if specified.

Four targets, three remain alive. I win if I still live when all my targets are dead. My kill flavor is not specified.

[Mastermind of Sin]

How do we know the Seraphs could do that?

Oh wait, cuz you told us they could. -.-

Oh, so you think there is any likelihood that the Seraphs don’t have a means to actively contact Town? Please explain to me why you would think that.

I have no idea what the Seraphs can do.

I feel like you're just distracting us away from actually lynching scum at this point, whether or not you intend to.

Actually … that’s exactly what you are doing. You’ve parked your vote on Feysal (which isn’t a bad thing) and pretty much done no significant scum-hunting outside of him today.

You talked about Jester policy and diverted into this little sidebar about the Seraphs.

Wait, so basically you're blaming me for responding to the people who have endlessly asked me questions regarding these two topics? I made one comment on each and left them well enough alone (the Jester thing because I simply wanted to make it clear why I wasn't trying to lynch him, and the Seraph thing because I wanted to make sure people weren't sheeping blindly like idiots). You people brought them back up and won't stop talking about them.

[Will-o-wisp]

Catching up right now. Post incoming on Friday. My bad guys.

We have a hydra. And thank goodness. I was starting to tread water in terms of site activity.

But ooba probably IS town for his posting in general today and his putting us on the townlist when there is no real reason to put us there.

Ooba is oozing town in my opinion. Please continue.

This always makes me shake my head. You both give ooba a Town read based on placing you an a Town list when you don’t deserve to be there? That’s a classic scum play from a stronger player … buddy up to lurkers / those under fire to win you over for later.

Not that I have a scum reads on ooba’s slot currently but the principle remains valid …

Please don't assume I said Ooba was town because he placed me on a town list. I can't think his other posts today are town? Odd that you zeroed in one that (for me at least). That being said, him placing us on his town list certainly didn't hurt my town read on him.

And any doubt about Magna not being town for his seraph explanation is ridiculous. Seriously. Move on.

- Oversoul

[Andrius]

K READING BE BACK IN A JIFFY

[Andrius]

Ok yeah did kanye siteflake or what?
Feysal is SK, Kanye is probably the mafia lynch D1 we didn't get to.
Just like Feysal was in Court of the Gods.

How did you draw this particular conclusion?

Magic

You've mentioned him 0 times, saying everything from that duo is AGM.
I infered.

Hi ooba! <3

Espeonage, Furco is claiming lover [?] with Feysal_SK [?]
Now stop commenting like you aren't involved in the game.

1. Andrius - I'd say Andrius was telling the truth about not receiving his role. However, I think he was recruited to the scum team at around page 28 or so (towards the end of D1). This is dependent on kanye flipping scum though. I would have also expected gandalf to change to town at the same time but maybe I'm wrong or Plum choose not to design the two roles that way.

Why page 28?

Unvote, Vote: kanyeknowsbest

Since the Feysal wagon isn't going anywhere and kanye is likely scum as well.
Also, we need a list of people for Feysal to shoot at, if we're keeping him leashed.

So initially I thought S&M was scum for just not posting.
Then I though of how I'm slowly losing the will to play right now, so. :/
I'm not sure. They need to commit or replace out IMO.

ooba is town.

Anyone need anything from me, or?
We should mobilize the voting bloc, but most of them are already moving.

[Furcolow]

it's not really a lover
it's more like "if someone targets you in the night to kill you, you can choose to have their win condition too. you will not be informed of your new win condition"

I am a neutral survivor
I might be a lover, but I don't know if I am
I was really hoping he was town
It sucks balls that he's an SK, but I've planned on helping town all game, so... so be it.
I am not sure if I can still win with the town, because if Feysal is lying then I am now a traitor

[Andrius]

Okay.
So you can pretty much join the mafia if they kill you, the SK, the vig, etc.
Right? >___>

Can you change back multiple times?
You can confirm people as mafia that way, if they ever kill you ofc.

[SpyreX]

Since he's vanished and its not worth me breaking my princesslessly nails over that fight kkb can go.

When he's town posts like this:

I want a Kanye lynch today. In addition to everything I said about him yesterday, I'd like to remind everyone that several people have stated something to the effect of that either Kanye or Feysal must be scum given the turnaround on the wagon yesterday, and no one really objected to that sentiment, and in fact, it seems to have been pretty much accepted. So, to be painfully obvious, Feysal is claiming 3rd party, and Furc is backing him up, so that would suggest that said scum is Kanye.

Can be put in the shredder right?

[Andrius]

dont touch mjaye
im hoping against all hope that some divine magicks will drop down and make us lovers or even neighbors but apparently that's too much to ask for let alone a ROLE

[kanyeknowsbest]

here are my thoughts on the d1 wagon stall: feysal and i are either both mafia or both not mafia. there is no other reason for our wagons to have stalled the way they did, unless mafia were split evenly between the wagons. if one of us were mafia and the other not, that wagon would most certainly have gone through. im willing to use feysal as a town directed kill.

I'm honestly not sure what to think of their claims just yet. Claiming third party doesn't really make someone actually third party, there are plenty of gambits out there. However, claiming third party as town is retardedly bad, as evidenced by the recently concluded Mafiascum Fantasy Camp game (thanks, GreyICE). Most people have the common sense to avoid something that idiotic, so I'm left to conclude that they are either third party or scum. Given that conclusion and the fact that Feysal has a killing role, I'm more than content to see him hang.

No, I haven't seen any other tells jump out at me so far. Otherwise I would have mentioned it, obviously.

so why were you opposed to the gandalf lynch? are you still opposed to a gandalf lynch? are you satisfied with his "im town now"

i had a town read on ludi but im liking ooba less.

catching up still but i dont feel good about mos, and i still think wow can go.

[Mastermind of Sin]

This Kanye wagon is feeling increasingly like the obvtownretardedwagon on Palisade in [REDACTED].

[Furcolow]

I get to choose what whether or not i take the win condition, andrius, so if i think someone is scum i wont
i was banking on feysal being a town vig, but he's more like 3rd party with a weird win condition