Random Mafia 2 Game Over

[Lloyd]

HezLucky,

Did your vote yesterday count twice as well?

Or, was it someone else?

If it was you, did you steal ibaesha's vote yesterday?

[Sotty7]

Pooky- 9 (Mathcam, PBuG, Hez, Fritzler, Sotty, Shamrock, HairyCarey, xGreyJoyx)

This was the end of yesterdays vote count and clearly shows that there is an extra vote on this wagon, either a secret voter or someone (possibly Hez?) has two votes.

Unvote

Anyone with a vote stealing/mirroring ability is town. Actually anyone with extra votes is usually town, it's way to powerful on a mafia/scum during the endgame.

I will admit to not having much experience when it comes to secret/extra votes. Is it the general consensus that someone with this ability is more likely to be town? I just don't like the way WoLG states they are town without wondering about the possibilities.

[three word name]

I think that in general 2x votes are pro-town abilities

I have seen a game where IIRC the SK had a double vote

[WellofLostGnomes]

Pooky- 9 (Mathcam, PBuG, Hez, Fritzler, Sotty, Shamrock, HairyCarey, xGreyJoyx)

This was the end of yesterdays vote count and clearly shows that there is an extra vote on this wagon, either a secret voter or someone (possibly Hez?) has two votes.

Unvote

Anyone with a vote stealing/mirroring ability is town. Actually anyone with extra votes is usually town, it's way to powerful on a mafia/scum during the endgame.

I will admit to not having much experience when it comes to secret/extra votes. Is it the general consensus that someone with this ability is more likely to be town? I just don't like the way WoLG states they are town without wondering about the possibilities.

This is going off of every game that I've lurked that has had a multi-vote ability, as well as my experiance on MTGS. I would say to ask Armlx, but he's the mod. <_< (He basically made the same statement in WDM 2 on MTGS)

[Thoth]

In Star Wars mafia we had a Mafia spy that gave someone an extra vote every day, but most of the time players with an extra vote are protown.

[XGreyjoyX]

So we are assuming Multi-Vote = Town?

[mathcam]

I am not deliberately misleading today, and misleading of today done by me is purely on acident, but I don't think I am.

Really? You made it seem like you had a nearly airtight argument for us, what with your "trust me" and "I'm not going to hand it to you on a silver platter," and when pressed, your only actual attack was "there's no one thing that I can really point to." Maybe you didn't realize what you were doing was anti-town, but that is an intentional deception on your part against the town. This "derivative of IS" playstyle is becoming a very common, and it hurts the town.

"fruedian slips" aren't really a big tell for me.

Lol. This has to be one of the funniest things I've read in a while. First of all, no one know what their tells are, so it's pretty ridiculous for you to claim that you know for a fact that

unconscious slips of the mind

don't affect you. Second of all, even if you

did

know your own tells, do you really think anyone would be so naive as to take your word for it when you dismissed one of them? i.e. "Oh yeah, I found almost airtight proof against Coron, but he says that it's not a tell of his, so I had to conclude he was innocent."

Now I'm not extremely confident that Coron is scum, but he's my best guess for today so far.

Cam

[HezLucky]

I see no need to talk about my role, it should be pretty self-explanatory.

[Coron]

I am not deliberately misleading today, and misleading of today done by me is purely on acident, but I don't think I am.

This "derivative of IS" playstyle is becoming a very common, and it hurts the town.

sometimes, the think about IS that hurt town more than anything was his bandwagoning. So huh, I do my best not to do that.

"fruedian slips" aren't really a big tell for me.

Lol. This has to be one of the funniest things I've read in a while. First of all, no one know what their tells are, so it's pretty ridiculous for you to claim that you know for a fact that

unconscious slips of the mind

don't affect you. Second of all, even if you

did

know your own tells, do you really think anyone would be so naive as to take your word for it when you dismissed one of them? i.e. "Oh yeah, I found almost airtight proof against Coron, but he says that it's not a tell of his, so I had to conclude he was innocent."

I know it's not a big tell for me, because out of I think 3 times I've been called on it, including this one every time I've been protown. I mean, maybe all 3 are just flukes... 1/1000000 chances or whatever, but I find it more likely that it's a mistype rather than anything else. I'm just saying that to my knowlege what you call "fruedian slips" on my part are, it seems from current data, more likely to happen to me as town.

[Coron]

mathcam- there is no one thing that says I am scum that I can quote for you, it's just the way he's been acting.

Not to mention this isn't really a true fruedian slip, sure there is an "I AM SCUM" in there, but if you read it in context it says "there is no one thing that I can quote for you that says that I am scum."

Depending on how you interpret this, it could mean I couldn't possibly be scum(as I could be able to quote my role pm if I was) or I wouldn't be suspicious of my self based on any 1 big thing I already said(because I can't really quote my role pm because it's against the rules).

Either way.

[Fritzler]

If I had a day kill i'd use it on coron right now

[Coron]

That would be a bad idea. Esp without at least asking for claim.

Aparently you are a bad judge of my scumminess of scum yourself, same goes for anyone else voting me.

[Coron]

3)Fishing for a cops result, the "cop" had already claimed, how does it hurt him at all to share his results from that night,I could see this argument if the cop had not come forward but they already had.

how many people can doctors protect again? Can he add one per night to the list of people he's protecting? I forget... because confirmeds will be first on the list to kill, and docs can't protect everyone, cops revealing innocent results before they are useful is bad[/quote]

5)His Voting HairyCarey for "Stupid" stuff, right and you voting for him with the reason "He's scum guys lets do it!" is any diffrent How?

I didn't try to cite stuff that shouldn't be cited to back it up.

[XGreyjoyX]

5)His Voting HairyCarey for "Stupid" stuff, right and you voting for him with the reason "He's scum guys lets do it!" is any diffrent How?

I didn't try to cite stuff that shouldn't be cited to back it up.

Huh?

I am interpreting that to mean you are saying that you didn't back it up becuase you felt you shouldn't?

That makes no sense to me. (If I am interpreting that wrong please correct me)

Also your behaviour this entire game seems scummy to me (Though to be fair I have not played with you before, it just may be your play style)

[WellofLostGnomes]

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I didn't try to cite stuff that shouldn't be cited to back it up.

Huh?

I am interpreting that to mean you are saying that you didn't back it up becuase you felt you shouldn't?

That makes no sense to me. (If I am interpreting that wrong please correct me)
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Actually, I believe he is saying that he didn't want to give any evidence to his accusations that could turn out to be false. A.k.a his accusations had little factual basis.

[three word name]

a reread of the game (especially the last 2 pages) has lead me to

vote: Coron

for the following reasons
1. his "trust me he is scum" arguement (if it can be called that)
2. the "I am scum" slip (and how he calls it a mistype)
3. how there is really nothing that he can quote that says that hezlucky is scum
4. his reason that heslucky is scum really adds up to lynch all lurkers (and he was lurking too)
5. saying that asking the cop if he got scum is bad (why would he reveal the names of the innocents?)

[Coron]

alright at this point I feel it is in town's best intrest for me to claim.

I'm a 1-shot mass roleblocker. I block EVERYONE'S choice once night, this means you too scum.

So the deal is we lynch someone who is not me today, come back tomorrow and if night choices go thru you lynch me, otherwise we lynch another person who is not me.

Deal?

[flyingm00c0w]

Wow. Roleclaim.

I've kinda kept silent throughout this whole thing because nobody really showed up as positively scummy. Mathcam was suspicious, sure, but he did help us catch scum. Same deal with Fritzler. Coron's attack on HezLucky was rather arbitrary, I thought, but then I assumed he was some kind of cop role.

Now with the roleclaim, I guess Coron is kinda off-limits for lynching, but I'm still bothered by the really strange accusation of HezLucky. Is there something you're not telling us, Coron? You never really gave your argument for why you think HezLucky is scum.

And Ibaesha: You keep latching on to me, and it bothers me alot. You don't have any (real) reasons, so it occurred to me that your behavior is consistent with that of a cop. But I know that I'm pro-town, so either 1) You're a paranoid cop or 2) You're some kind of scum ruse. I'll ask you the same question: Do you know something that the rest of us don't?

[ibaesha]

And Ibaesha: You keep latching on to me, and it bothers me alot. You don't have any (real) reasons, so it occurred to me that your behavior is consistent with that of a cop. But I know that I'm pro-town, so either 1) You're a paranoid cop or 2) You're some kind of scum ruse. I'll ask you the same question: Do you know something that the rest of us don't?

1st, I don't keep latching onto you. My suspicion of you is merely continued. I have given a reason, but you can ignore it if you want. As for the rest, your fishing is noted and added to my other suspicions.

Coron, you can choose to use your role to prove yourself, or you can wait until a time that it might be more useful, whenever that is. I'm personally not into lynching you anyways.

[XGreyjoyX]

alright at this point I feel it is in town's best intrest for me to claim.

I'm a 1-shot mass roleblocker. I block EVERYONE'S choice once night, this means you too scum.

So the deal is we lynch someone who is not me today, come back tomorrow and if night choices go thru you lynch me, otherwise we lynch another person who is not me.

Deal?

Sounds Good

Unvote

[three word name]

alright at this point I feel it is in town's best intrest for me to claim.

I'm a 1-shot mass roleblocker. I block EVERYONE'S choice once night, this means you too scum.

So the deal is we lynch someone who is not me today, come back tomorrow and if night choices go thru you lynch me, otherwise we lynch another person who is not me.

Deal?

hmmm...

unvote

[WellofLostGnomes]

That sounds like the kind of ability that should wait until either we are close to lynch or lose, or in some predicament where having 0 night choices go through.

I really like that role though. If you had used it without claiming, we could of caught scum who later claimed having a target that night. Still something to think about. I'd rather wait and have you use it at the towns discrestion though.

[mathcam]

Ummm....if everyone was role-blocked, how did Shamrock die?

Cam

[ibaesha]

He hasn't used it yet. He's offering to use it tonight to prove himself.

[TBuG]

Sure, okay, I'll go with that.

Unvote, Vote: HezLucky

I know first hand from previous games that it is possible to have a double vote as scum, I just wasn't sure to call you on it or not.