Open 338 Jungle Republic StefanBversion - FIN

[TheOtherFiction]

@cobbler, What? I thought yos2 would be likely to be a werewolf or townie because, as I said in my hypothetical, that mafia are more likely to do that than wolves cause of group size.

I still don't get what you mean. And what alignment am I supposed to be?

Any anti town position, but more likely a mafia because wolves wouldn't be as prone to the plan as mafia due to number of there group. It was an explanation for some reason that isn't worth looking up. I was disproving someone's claim, but I don't remember what it is.

Scooby, I haven't claimed yet cause I have decided not to claim yet.

Wait. Huh? But if I'm mafia and Yosarian's a wolf how could we plan this? They're not on the same team, they don't know each other. Townslip?

Vote: Yosarian2

His vote on TOF seems to be completely at odds with... pretty much every other post he's made. Not only has he shown no indication that he finds TOF scummy, besides the vote, he actually seems to be exclusively attacking other people on the same wagon that he is on. Cognitive dissonance all up the friggin' walls here.

I'm sorry, were you unaware that there were two scum teams?

No.

Why are you voting TOF?

@Cobblerphone: Why did you originally vote ToF? I don't think you've said yet why you did that.

The wolfslip and Yosarian's (who I think is mafia) case was convincing, except for that one bit that I pointed out earlier.

Also, while pressure and votes are seperate, I didn't want the idea of a wagon to fade away for those who were voting TOF and who've might've switched wagons.

What? No. Why are you voting Yos2 from this?

Falsevote Cobbler (not hammering)

Claim.

I don't think you could be town twisting around like this. You are misusing my example which was to disprove a claim.

@Sir: Well, yeah, true. But bed>mafia. And I just made a quick post fore bed. I disagree with your entailment argument since you exclude laziness. However, I am not distancing from Cobbler. I haven't liked him since the start and that hasn't changed, just gotten worse slowly.

Okay crypto.

Found out her might be hammered, but not changing the above portion of my post.

I thought I had made a post from my phone but apparently it did not go through. It was basically an FOS on Hiraki for whinging about Cobbler not claiming when a VT or seer claim, especially on D1, at best only helps scum.

Hopefully Cobbler is scum.

Primate...what do you not like about my post? That I find the top wagon getters suspicious...especially when you placed the person I'm voting at L-1? Seems a bit hypocritical. Also...I do not typically call people town (like I inferred towards Y2) and posted no such opinion towards Rhinox and scooby iirc.

Hikari wanted me to clam, not cobbler.

i'm pretty sure if Cobbler is aware he's been hammered by crypto then he is town. Unless he wants to send TOF up shitcreek without a paddle by his last post.

Whatever Cobbler flips, I don't think Cobbler and TOF are in the same scum group, in any case. The whole scum tell on Cobbler was that he seemed to want to help lynch TOF while not really seeming to have a reason to do so, and while his TOF vote really seemed to contradict all the reads he was telling us about.

QFT

[StefanB]

Sorry was away yesterday.
So you decied to lynch while I was away. Hm, final votecount:

Votecount:

Cobblerfone: Rhinox, iamausername, SirBastion, havingfitz, Yosarian2, Primate, crypto (lynch)
TheOtherFiction: scooby, Hiraki (L-5)
Crypto: TheOtherFiction (L-6)
Yosarian2: Cobblerfone

Not voting: funkybike1

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2011-10-18 21:04:22)

[StefanB]

You have decieded. The villain (okay one of the villains) is cobblerfone. So you form a lynchmob and kill him. He tells you with his dying breath that he was town.
Was he lying.
Nope, Cobblerfone was a Townie.

It's now night 1, you have 60 hours. (Thanks for making the next 2 days easier) It will probably some more time for me to open the game.
Good night and good luck.

[StefanB]

So New Day for all exect Crypto.
Oh poor crypto. What was he thinking in his last minutes? Was he asking himself, who the baddies were or was he thinking about how to defend himself because of the hammer. We will never know, exect those who believe in an afterlife. His death came quick, more is censored.
You found him afterwards. Not a good sign.
He was a

Townie.

Deadline in in (expired on 2011-11-02 03:48:37)
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[iamausername]

If the seer has a guilty, they should go ahead and claim.

Pretty sure hypocopping is a good idea here if they don't.

[TheOtherFiction]

hypocopping?

[Rhinox]

Everbody claim a hypothetical result, everyone except the seer making something up, so that if the seer dies, we can look back and get the actual result.

[Sir Bastion]

wiki link?

[Rhinox]

wiki link for what? hypocop? I don't think there is a page. Its not that hard a concept.

I'm not sure its the best plan though. It can help the werewolves narrow down who the seer is. For example, if someone gives a hypoinnocent result on a werewolf, the werewolves know that player is not the seer.

[Sir Bastion]

Firstly I don't think the seer should claim unless he has a guilty on a wolf. Claiming for a mafia while helpful in keeping the numbers in our favor. It will though throw away our best weapon against the wolves.


Hypocopping sounds like giving a reads list right? If so I was in the middle of doing so anyway.

I'm pretty sure there was 1 wolf in each wagon they both wouldn't join the same I did think crypto but he's obviously clean. And primate's post that put cobble at l-1 was informative and had questions...but no call to claim?

So that's a question I want him
To answer.

After that it's yos2 me and rhinox.

Course I could be wrong and tof is mafia and the cobble wagon was pushed mostly by scum to keep him safe?

When I get to my computer I'll do a proper breakdown of my opinions post day 1.

[iamausername]

Firstly I don't think the seer should claim unless he has a guilty on a wolf. Claiming for a mafia while helpful in keeping the numbers in our favor. It will though throw away our best weapon against the wolves.

Seer doesn't get guilties on mafia, so...

(So it's highly unlikely that Sir Bastion is a wolf, since this almost certainly would have come up when they were discussing who to kill last night)

Hypocopping sounds like giving a reads list right? If so I was in the middle of doing so anyway.

Not really, no.

Everybody says "X is not a werewolf". The seer gives their actual result, everybody else makes one up.

The upside is that we'll know the seer's result even if they're killed before they claim. The downside is that one or two people will probably pick a wolf for their hypoclaim, so the wolves will have a slightly smaller pool of possible seers to choose from.

I think the benefits outweigh the cost, but it's debatable. Obviously, the whole thing is moot if the seer has a guilty result.

[Rhinox]

@Sir Bastion: Seer's only find wolves

and no not a reads list. Everybody would make this post and fill in the blank:

Last night I investigated _____________ and he was not a wolf.

Except only the seer's result would be truth, everyone else would be making something up to protect the seer, so the seer can claim results but stay hidden, and when the seer gets nked we go back and look at his post and know his results.

Pre-edit: and iama just said the same thing I just did.

[Rhinox]

(So it's highly unlikely that Sir Bastion is a wolf, since this almost certainly would have come up when they were discussing who to kill last night)

Actually pretty much bastion just claimed VT. I'd argue he's not likely to be mafia either since he'd have probably been corrected by his partners, and he's also not likely to be seer for obvious reasons, so...

[Sir Bastion]

The flaw is what if he investigated crypto last night?

[iamausername]

The flaw is what if he investigated crypto last night?

I hadn't considered that, but there's no reason he couldn't say "If I am seer, I investiagted crypto". But it's a good thing to have pointed out, because now everyone will be aware that that is a possibility if we do hypocop.

I'd argue he's not likely to be mafia either since he'd have probably been corrected by his partners, and he's also not likely to be seer for obvious reasons, so...

I guess so, yeah. I think it's marginally less likely to have come up in mafia talk, because they have no kill to discuss, but still pretty likely. Yeah, he's probably town.

(I had realised that this also made him obv not-seer, but I didn't want to point that out, just in case we have particularly dense wolves.)

[crypto]

Me, IRL.

[Rhinox]

(I had realised that this also made him obv not-seer, but I didn't want to point that out, just in case we have particularly dense wolves.)

They'd have to be pretty fucking dense lol. I give my competition a little more credit than that.

[funkybike1]

Your competition? So you are mafia?

[Rhinox]

*facepalm*

(was actually for a minute going to explain here how town competes against scum but fuck it)

Look at your iso, then vote yourself. Thats seriously the best you can come up with?

vote: funnybike

[Hiraki]

k.

So Rhinox is prob scum after that.

Vote: TheOtherFiction

But we'll keep that for later.

[TheOtherFiction]

Rhinox, that does look like a scum slip.

Hi, Hiraki. I see your holding a ballet with my name checked.

[Hiraki]

Well yeah.

Because that's what the townies do to the scummies.

now die.

[Sir Bastion]

Are you softclaiming hiraki?

[Rhinox]

The hell its a scum slip. Don't be fucktards.

[Rhinox]

This is bike's iso and why I voted him:

D1
0: /confirm
1: unexplained vote on popular target
2: fluff
3: only attempt at a contentfilled post, and its basically nonsense. Also, hypocritical:

Crypto

funkybike, what are your opinions on who the scum is? You seem to just be trying to force things without anything behind it.

4: unexplained unvote
5: fluff
D2
6: BS mudslinging

There is nothing town about it.