Imperial Intrigue (Endgame, OUT OF NOWHERE)
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MacDougall Goon
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Well since you seem to WANT me to have a scum read on you, I'll try to entertain you... Let's see what your wiki comes up with, because your play in this game is pretty legit aside from tunneling me...
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - In this scum game you can see he is incredibly aggressive and scum hunts like a dragon. He gets a "scum read" on Vezok and just doesn't let go. He aggressively reads people scum and his play borderlines on abusive. This read is AWFULLY familiar to me.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... er_sort=Go - Here's a town one. Low content and no walls. Doesn't really last long in this game though...
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - Here's a mini theme scum game of his. Oh look, again he is super aggressive, posts loads of walls and his play borderlines on abusive.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - A town mini theme. Here is somewhat more aggressive but still reads less committed. His words per post are still drastically less than either of the scum games. As town he self hammers?
I only clicked four randomly mind you.
Anyway... I feel like I am displaying the patience of a saint here, but if the rest of you REALLY want to lynch me just to lynch him afterwards, I suppose I could get some sick pleasure out of it. Go ahead.-
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AGar He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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No, in my "weirdo" world a town player would have more than 1 scumread by day 4 and wouldn't be afraid of dying since you keep underhandedly hinting that I'm suspicious to you.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
Get to know me. Or don't. I won't tell you what to do. I'm not God. Or your father. Or your boss.-
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AGar He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Also, if you're going to try and meta me to craft a scumread, you should probably pick more than 4 games, since I've played over 50.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
Get to know me. Or don't. I won't tell you what to do. I'm not God. Or your father. Or your boss.-
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Magua Jack of All Trades
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Oh, god, Andy's unedited catch up wall. Hate that.
Do note that parts of it read as edited and parts of it read as unedited, eg:
"So David Xanatos is still not voting, especially after calling SK "today's lynch". Odd."
"David Xanatos earns +townpoints for thinking there was one scumteam, when there's two."
Both of which would seem to be written before looking at the flips, contrasted with:
"Is it just me or is Magua tunneling Xanatos a little too hard? Because it seems like alot of force against the man who flipped Beloved Prince Mason. :/"
Obviously written knowing the flip, but still in relation to D1.
Or later: "Shinki is not scum with SC.
Shinki is also dead. "
EtherealCookie wrote:Going to respond to AgaRs post, Magua?
AGar wrote:@Magua #1029. Respond please. Even if it's just "Wow AGar, you're so right!" I'll be satisfied with the recognition.
I read MacDougall as scared newbie. "No lynch" is scum-motivated, yes, but scum know it's scum motivated and avoid doing it. It's just too scummy to be scum. Especially in a setup where the scum have daytalk, MacDougall's play would be coached better by his scummates.
All of these things: scared of lynching town, wanting approval before hammer, being mistrustful of the wagon because it might be "scum motivated" are all classic newbie tells. Yes, they're all incredibly scummy. That's just how newbies work. Scum would know the setup is multiscum, would be looking to hide and coast rather than paint huge signs on themselves that say "WATCH ME NO LYNCH."
Empking was easy to spot because he *should* know better but was playing like he didn't. MacDougall, on the contrary, simply doesn't know better.
I do not think MacDougall is scum, and I do find your pushing for him with such vehemence and with such bullshit like "let's him and me 1v1" is scummy. I don't like it. At all. I'm really glad that your activity and interest in this game has picked up, but "tunnel on the weakest player in the game" is just downright scummy. Saying "vezokpiraka gets a pass for doing stupid shit" is fine, but then saying, "MacDougall can't get a pass because even though he's obviously a newbie I haven't seen him fuck up five games yet" is downright scummy.
Lord knows I'm not 100% at reading newbies (Oversoul, sadly, has fooled me twice), but I'm pretty damn good at it. I got Katsuki-town in MoCO, Shadow1psc-town and Raivann-town in ASoS, and vezokpiraka-town and Blackberry-town in Brightest Day.-
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vezokpiraka Jack of All Trades
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In post 1061, EtherealCookie wrote:The viable lynch is Vez.
I don't much care for the possibility of both of you being town and wasting two lynches.
Vez is a fucking beacon of scumminess.
Explain.Windows hasn't detected any keyboard. Press Enter.-
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manho Mafia Scum
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Nero Cain Survivor
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v/la 2-3 days
I has the flu. The flu sucks.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Andrius The Baker
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MacDougall wrote:Except for the fact that the vanilla town role PM actually mentions House Argelev in it, as pointed out in the OP.
Scum would know this because they'd probably have fakeclaims and buddies to go "hey guys yadda ya Argelev is town".
quote="MacDougall"]Well the alternative at the time was to sit there and throw fuel on the David vs. SleepyKrew fire. Town vs. town it turned out that one. [/quote]
And, at the time, you just happened to know they were both town?
Same wrote:... I don't really see how set up speculation is scummy. If you look at the time stamps there I posted those during real lulls in the game, just to put stuff out there to move the game along. Agar made the ultimate set up speculation post but he's super town to you. Conflicting ideology.
Your posts FOCUSED on setup speculation. Little analysis. IIOA. You kept putting forth information (unconfirmed setup info, be sure to note) rather than actually contributing something new.
AGar is town for other reasons than just one. As you are scum for more than one.
same wrote:Already explained the PHENOMENON of my no lynch vote. Oh the humanity of it.
Mind reposting it one more time? Because No Lynch DAY ONE is never a good idea.
MacDougall wrote:Well as a NOOOOOOOOOOOOOB I was planning on just trying to post sparingly and get a feel for the game/learn a bit, but Agar drew me out and forced me to get involved by straight up voting me. Scummy innit. Oh well, it's true.
You tell me of all the games you've played on this site.
Now. Because you're "im a n00b and too afraid to come out guns blazing and wait to 'learn a bit'".
MacDougall wrote:Doesn't necessarily mean that Terrans are mafia. That was more of a breadcrumb post anyway hoping to trip Agar up. I was sort of insinuating that he was Terran and knew more about their role in the game than we do. Being that he haphazardly referred to them as Terran Mafia, when at no stage has that been mentioned. Slightly wifom I guess.
Sooooo how does anyone NOT flipping Loyalist/Argelev and NOT GREEN town?
NO.
AGAR. NO 1v1. THAT IS STUPID.
We just lynch MacDougall and he flips scum ---> win.
We don't need to do silly things like 1v1. That is for Fate and other players who win the game for scum as town.
MattP wrote:Anyways, I am 99% positive Andrius is town based on his wall. VERY insightful Andrius. Looking back, I do agree mostly with MacDougall talking so plainly about Shinki being cop looking scummy. Hell, why the fuck would a townie do that? I kind of think MD would make more sense as an indie than scum though.
Indie is still scum.
IF YOU ARE NOT WITH US
THEN YOU ARE AGAINST US
MattP has no need to claim, Soda.
Vote MacDougall.
My legion does NOT disappoint.
Otolia wrote:Though I know it's very difficult for scum to win a lynched or be lynched situation, I'm reluctant to use it in this situation. I'm not sure it's really useful against MacDougall. Let's see what Magua and Andrius have to say about it.
Wait what case?
Otolia wrote:Concerning the wake-up of SodaSpirit, I don't think you can get anyone to claim right now.
I have given this thread a transfusion of LIFE AND HOPE.
ALL WILL BE WELL.
MacDougall wrote:
I'm not gonna play that game with you Agar when you are like a no read to me.
Give me a list of your reads.
On all players.
Now.
And null reads don't count.
Unless they've posted less than 10 times thus far.
Magua wrote:Oh, god, Andy's unedited catch up wall. Hate that.
What were you expecting? For me to turn into Jack or shaft.ed and do only one-liners?
manho's latest posting hasn't convinced me he's town.
Nero Cain is town.
After a votecount I'll reevaluate the votes."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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MacDougall Goon
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Andrius The Baker
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MacDougall Goon
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Manho hasn't done anything of note all game. I just glanced at his name and took a shot in the dark on him being scum
In post 1083, Andrius wrote:MacDougall wrote:Except for the fact that the vanilla town role PM actually mentions House Argelev in it, as pointed out in the OP.
Scum would know this because they'd probably have fakeclaims and buddies to go "hey guys yadda ya Argelev is town".
What the heck are you talking about anyway? The OP ... has a sample PM ... that suggests that Argelev is town. Everybody knows that Argelev is town.
you again wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Well the alternative at the time was to sit there and throw fuel on the David vs. SleepyKrew fire. Town vs. town it turned out that one.
And, at the time, you just happened to know they were both town?
I've seen town v town before. I read it as town v town. Can't blame me for being right about something. I don't care for your insinuation here tbh because I can't argue it.
[/quote]Andy wrote:]
Same wrote:... I don't really see how set up speculation is scummy. If you look at the time stamps there I posted those during real lulls in the game, just to put stuff out there to move the game along. Agar made the ultimate set up speculation post but he's super town to you. Conflicting ideology.
Your posts FOCUSED on setup speculation. Little analysis. IIOA. You kept putting forth information (unconfirmed setup info, be sure to note) rather than actually contributing something new.
AGar is town for other reasons than just one. As you are scum for more than one.
I was excited and wondering out loud about the set up. Read that part again and tell me how that, and the consequent reactions to my set up ideas being burned are scummy to you?
you wrote:
same wrote:Already explained the PHENOMENON of my no lynch vote. Oh the humanity of it.
Mind reposting it one more time? Because No Lynch DAY ONE is never a good idea.
I EXPLAINED IT AGAIN SINCE I LAST POSTED THIS. JUST READ THE THREAD!
Andy ahhhhgain wrote:MacDougall wrote:Well as a NOOOOOOOOOOOOOB I was planning on just trying to post sparingly and get a feel for the game/learn a bit, but Agar drew me out and forced me to get involved by straight up voting me. Scummy innit. Oh well, it's true.
You tell me of all the games you've played on this site.
Now. Because you're "im a n00b and too afraid to come out guns blazing and wait to 'learn a bit'".
They're all in my wiki mate. Just read it. All ONE of them. And I was killed on night 2, and as you can see I had a very similar experience in that game as I'm having in this one...
you wrote:MacDougall wrote:Doesn't necessarily mean that Terrans are mafia. That was more of a breadcrumb post anyway hoping to trip Agar up. I was sort of insinuating that he was Terran and knew more about their role in the game than we do. Being that he haphazardly referred to them as Terran Mafia, when at no stage has that been mentioned. Slightly wifom I guess.
Sooooo how does anyone NOT flipping Loyalist/Argelev and NOT GREEN town?
I never said they were possibly town. They could be a cult. They could be a rogue team. They could be a second town faction?
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I think you should all just lynch me now so I can stop wasting my time defending myself.-
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Bogre Mafia Scum
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In post 1075, MacDougall wrote:Well since you seem to WANT me to have a scum read on you, I'll try to entertain you... Let's see what your wiki comes up with, because your play in this game is pretty legit aside from tunneling me...
Making a case because someone wants you to is both pandering to the desires of others and hypocritical (if you think he's pretty legit, than how can you have any sort of belief in the case you made?)ShowMurder, Corruption, Betrayal.
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Wraith Mafia Scum
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Spoiler: Background
Votecount 4.4
SodaSpirit17(6):AGar, MattP, Bogre,MacDougall, manho, Nero Cain, Otolia, PeregrineV
vezokpiraka(2):MacDougall, EtherealCookie, MacDougall
MacDougall(2):Otolia, AGar,kdowns, Andrius
AGar(1):Magua, whispersilk
MattP(1):Otolia,Nero Cain, SodaSpirit17,manho,kdowns
AndriusMagua(1):
]Otoliavezokpiraka,(1):PeregrineV
Not Votingkdowns(1):
With 15 alive it takes8to lynch.
Deadline for today isNovember 1, 2011
Still looking for a replacement forkdowns.whispersilkhas 9 hours to post before being force-replaced.
SodaSpirit17stands atL-2Last edited by Wraith on Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:33 am, edited 1 time in total.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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MacDougall Goon
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Bogre wrote:In post 1075, MacDougall wrote:Well since you seem to WANT me to have a scum read on you, I'll try to entertain you... Let's see what your wiki comes up with, because your play in this game is pretty legit aside from tunneling me...
Making a case because someone wants you to is both pandering to the desires of others and hypocritical (if you think he's pretty legit, than how can you have any sort of belief in the case you made?)
Well excuse me for trying to find fault with the guy who has been aggressively trying to get rid of me since opening post of day 2.-
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SodaSpirit17 Mafia Scum
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kdownsreturns to the game.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
"For myself, I want no advantage over my fellow man, and if he is weaker than I, all the more is it my duty to help him." -Eugene Debs
"Our demands most modest are - we only want the earth!" -James Connolly-
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vezokpiraka Jack of All Trades
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Magua Jack of All Trades
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Andrius wrote:
What were you expecting? For me to turn into Jack or shaft.ed and do only one-liners?
For you to give a catchup post that shows what you're thinking after having caught up.
Conciseness is pro-town.
@MacDougall:You were willing to lynch Soda, but unvoted after he claimed VT. Why is that? What claim could he have given where you wouldn't've unvoted him?
UNVOTE: Andrius
VOTE: SodaSpirit17 (L-1)-
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MacDougall Goon
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Class and shit. Sue me.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
"For myself, I want no advantage over my fellow man, and if he is weaker than I, all the more is it my duty to help him." -Eugene Debs
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Spoiler: Lynch Scene
SodaSpirit17,, Exiled Day FourStadt-Orogoth (Loyalist)
Please remember that the flavor is a dramatization, and has no bearing on any roles, powers, or alignments (except for dead people).
Night Fourhas begun.
Deadline for Night Four isOctober 27, 2011. Please forward all night actions via PM.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
"For myself, I want no advantage over my fellow man, and if he is weaker than I, all the more is it my duty to help him." -Eugene Debs
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