The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Amrun]

S&M, did the millerization happen at the same time as the vig shot or because of the vig shot? Please clarify with the mod if you don't know this.

VOTE: S&M

Learn to read. jhc.

[Magister Ludi]

Amrun is at L-2.

I am not sure why this is still a wagon.

No one on this wagon is giving scum reads anymore, considering circumstance or rereading the game. No one seems fazed that we have two town shots that need input on tonight. (well one actually if half this game gets their way and lynches Amrun) Rushing headlong to lynch despite all evidence to the contrary.

[kanyeknowsbest]

unvote vote smargaret

bull fucking shit thats a 1-1.

yeah honestly im not sure if i believe s&m is scum or not anymore. what i do believe, however, is that there are a few different outcomes from this situation and they are all shit.

if s&m is town and we dont lynch, moi dies, and s&m dies tonight from scum as well. we get a vig shot if theres no rb.
if s&m is town and we do lynch, moi dies tonight for being a confirmed town cop.
if s&m is scum moi dies tonight no matter what and s&m has to explain why shes alive tomorrow.

theres basically no scenario i see where moi is alive tomorrow so lynching based on the prospect of saving moi is pointless, and really, without the threat of moi dying if we dont follow through i would not be willing to lynch a claimed mason vig. its too easy to prove if we give her time to and scum will be chomping at the bit to bury her if its true.

smargaret is ripe for a lynch and im going to take a look at dekes again and figure out what made me think he was hecka scum. id be down with lynching either of them today.

otoh the majority of my town reads are on the s&m wagon and she isnt lynched yet. that could be explained by lurkerscum though, and dekes was certainly jockeying to get back on the wagon before he disappeared.

[Magister Ludi]

Kanye, who do you think Amrun and Feysal should shoot tonight?

[kanyeknowsbest]

if i had the shot to fire i would choose from among dekes, smargaret, furcolow and herodotus. im less inclined to volunteer for a vig shot now that we managed to have a day that didnt derail into lynch kanye wait no dont. i should probably still be killed sometime before lylo though.

i just realized i havent said shit about herodotus yet. its largely gut and that this is the way i felt about him in another game where i ignored him all game and he turned out to be scum. furcolow is claimed third party but has ignored requests to clarify his win condition. plus with andrius claiming to still not have his role, we have 3 third parties just hanging around (i think i made it clear earlier how i feel about 3rd party that is not directly beneficial to town) and he is the one i would be happiest to see go.

ppl i dont want vigged: im still thinking town on spyrex, moi is obvious, mos im feeling a lot better about, gut town imo especially is amrun flips town, empkings claim is town, ludi even if amrun flipped scum i still am thinking town.

fake edit: oh and wow. i forgot about wow. holy crap i want wow dead. wow has not said a single thing regarding s&m today please fucking kill wow. i will literally switch my vote to wow right now if anyone else wants to lynch him.

wow is my #1 vig shot the others are 2ndary

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm here and catching up, albeit slowly. I've read all of day 3 and most of day 1. Barring power outage due to

snow

in

October

, I'll be caught up tomorrow.

I don't see any way we can justify lynching anyone other than S&M or MoI - regardless of whether you believe the mason/miller/vig claim or not, we have two Turins. I don't see that being possible barring one of them being scum.

MoS, why the Elli vote? Why are you placing a lurkervote when we have a 1-1? The same goes for people voting me and Empking, but those are at least *wagons*. One vote doesn't get to call itself a pressure vote.

I'm inclined to believe MoI over S&M, just because the millermasonvig claim is just so over the top. Also, it seems like we'd be better off being wrong and killing S&M than being wrong and killing MoI.

S&M, did the millerization happen at the same time as the vig shot or because of the vig shot? Please clarify with the mod if you don't know this.

VOTE: S&M

I don't even know where to start with this post.

Unvote, Vote: smargaret

LYNCHLYNCHLYNCH. I'll come back and explain why if there is actually someone who doesn't understand why that post was terrible.

Also, kanye's wow comments were tech.

[SpyreX]

Has there been confirmation that MoI isn't dead if S&M isn't killed?

Has that happened yet?

[Herodotus]

i just realized i havent said shit about herodotus yet. its largely gut and that this is the way i felt about him in another game where i ignored him all game and he turned out to be scum.

Everyone ignored me in that game because I wanted them to.

ppl i dont want vigged:

im still thinking town on spyrex

, moi is obvious, mos im feeling a lot better about,

gut town imo especially is amrun flips town

, empkings claim is town, ludi even if amrun flipped scum i still am thinking town.

Re: Spyrex - why?
Re: Gut - I don't think Gut is scum, but in case I die, I hope the town doesn't rule out the possibility that they defended Sunandmoon to convince others they are town. If Sunandmoon and Magna are both telling the truth, then convincing the town not to lynch Sunandmoon doesn't cost the scum much, as they would get a free town PR death from Magna. It may not be the more likely possibility, but it's a possibility.

I don't even know where to start with this post.

Unvote, Vote: smargaret

LYNCHLYNCHLYNCH. I'll come back and explain why if there is actually someone who doesn't understand why that post was terrible.

Also, kanye's wow comments were tech.

I understand why it's terrible - because it evaluates the gamestate wrongly - but I don't know why it's scummy.

[Sun and Moon]

I'm not sure where smargaret is right now, but I like this wagon.

I don't want to hammer prematurely, but count this as my intention to vote after the next vote count.

[Gut]

The last vote count is on the previous page ffs. She's at L-3.

[Sun and Moon]

VOTE: smargeret

[mockingjaye]

Herod: You're right; the only verification is that the seraphs unlocked MoI's latent ability, not that it is a suicide cop. Somehow I thought that was part of it. It still doesn't entirely make sense. If you're suggesting it's a fake claim, then a) did the seraphs tell him they would unlock his ability before they did it, so that he was able to plan out such an elaborate claim, or b) was it a spur of the moment super-gambit on his part no matter his role? Either way I still think there is too much weirdness about the timing. I believe both MoI and S&M are town at this point and this is part of what Plum meant by we should all feel a bit screwed over, because I kind of do right now.

My hope right now is that deactivating MoI's power also pulls the plug on his suicide, and I'm hoping we find out in the thread before any lynch occurs.

I also agree that Smargaret/Espeonage is a good lynch.

[Empking]

Smarge is a fine vig but we should not be lynching her today (if MOI is still suicidal.)

[Magister Ludi]

Who should we be lynching then?

[Empking]

Who should we be lynching then?

S&M

[Magister Ludi]

Who would vig smarg in that scenario then?

[Empking]

Who would vig smarg in that scenario then?

Feysal

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: espeonage... err smargaret

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oooooor...we lynch Smargscum.

[Herodotus]

L-1 there.

[Feysal]

I'm mostly prod-dodging with this post, having a busy Halloween weekend here. smargaret is indeed at L-1, which means I will do this to be on the safe side.

Unvote: smargaret

I will revote when we are ready to end the day. We should wait for Andrius to give the go ahead, and before that there are some things to discuss, such as vig targets.

[Magister Ludi]

Why can't Feysal have a town win condition, sheesh.

Ok, kanye does bring up a good point about Wow. I'm in favor of the following vig's, WilloWisp and Dekes.

[smargaret]

Not that it matters, since I think I just got lynched ...

When the heck did S&M get confirmed as Turin? The seraphs confirmed the mason buddy nameclaim, not S&M.

[Magister Ludi]

??? S&M is Turin, confirmed by the Seraphs, through Andrius, and Confirmed by me as well.

[smargaret]

I saw your name get confirmed, and there was a big uproar about the seraphs *not* confirming Turin. Rereading ...