Mini 1251 - Hitchhiker's Mafia - Game Over

[imaginality]

There was an error in the vote count above. The Rufflig was still at L-1 and was lynched prematurely by mod error.

I have given the affected parties the choice of continuing or cancelling the game.

In the meantime, please still submit night actions as per normal.

[imaginality]

The game will go on! So remember to get your night actions in! Day will break about 24 hours from now, give or take an hour.

[imaginality]

As Arthur and the other passengers rested, Marvin and the Hooloovoo, neither of whom needed to sleep, discussed the day's events.

Some psychologists say that Hooloovoos are so intelligent they're smarter even than robots as advanced as Marvin. That may well be so in general, but it is a general principle of the Universe that even the smartest of beings are capable of momentary foolish mistakes, as this Hooloovoo was about to demonstrate.

"It's ironic, isn't it?"

said the Hooloovoo.

Marvin tilted his head in curiosity. "What is?"

"The fact you said you know how to count, but you miscounted the final vote yesterday. There were only six votes for Gag Hulfrunt, not seven."

Marvin trembled in horror at the accusation. He started to speak, stopped, started and stopped again, his brain whirring rapidly. He realised the Hooloovooian was right. Being trapped on this ship, made to do menial tasks, that was depressing enough, but the thought of being mocked for his mistake - he felt bitter anguish at the idea of having his intelligence questioned. He was smarter than any of those passengers, but would they think so if they heard about his error? No, they'd regard him as fallible, as error-prone, as untrustworthy. It was a truly sickening thought.

Then another thought struck him.

"Did anyone else notice?" he murmured.

"No, I don't think so,"

the Hooloovoo replied.

"Just me. Why?"

Marvin smiled grimly, and picked up the prism in which the Hooloovoo was contained, carrying it over to the airlock.

*

You all met in the bridge, early in the day. Although it would be more accurate to say that most of you met in the bridge. Two of you were incapable of doing so, and the rest of you found out why when you went to the rooms of the missing parties.

hasdgas lay on his bed, scarred from a laser blast. He had few belongings, but a Round-The-Galaxy travel ticket from STAR Travel showed you that he was a Belcerebon from the planet Kakrafoon. He'd died, but at least he'd died tidily. It was a different matter in sorgster's room. He lay in a pool of goo, his ears still leaking blood and brain matter, his eyes bloodshot and lifeless. On the desk in his room were some notes for his latest thesis. He'd been attempting to refute the hypothesis of God's omnescience by stealing items at every opportunity, and was hoping to use his findings as the basis for yet another best-selling blockbuster book. Oolon Colluphid wouldn't get to finish his book now, and as far as the existence of an afterlife was concerned, he could presumably only hope that he was wrong. Or at least, he would have if he wasn't dead. Although then he wouldn't need to hope so, as that would mean he wouldn't be dead. Which he is.

Whatever the uncertainties over Oolon Colluphid's counterfactual desires, it was certain that the rest of you would have to use all your wits to find the villains today, with only nine of you still alive.

*

As for the Hooloovoo, what had happened to him remained a complete mystery. You searched the ship high and low, but never found any trace of him.

hasdgfas -

a space-travelling Belcerebon: Neighbour

, was Kill-O-Zapped N2

Spoiler: Neighbour-specific powers

* Telepathic Communication: Unless otherwise stated, you can communicate at any time (including pre-game) with your friend [redacted], in your QuickTopic thread [redacted]

sorgster -

Oolon Colluphid: Thief

, was Recited to Death N2

Spoiler: Thief-specific powers

* Steal: Each night, you may (optionally) target a player. You will search that player's room and may find an item which gives you clues as to which character the player is.

The Hooloovoo: Non-Playing Character

was Expelled into Deep Space N2

Note: The Hooloovoo's death is for flavour entertainment only, and is not game-relevant.

It is now Day 3. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is 8pm on Tuesday, 15th November, NZDST. That's (expired on 2011-11-15 03:00:00) from now.

[imaginality]

The Hooloovoo's not here anymore, so I'll keep track of the votes for you. I asked Marvin if he'd like to, but he's sulking in the corner for some reason and refuses to help.

Day Three: Vote Count #1

Not Voting (9) - Bub Bidderskins, farside22, GLaDOS, Lunitawolf, TheFool, Umbrage, Unknown, VisceraEyes, xvart

Deadline is 8pm on Tuesday 15th November, NZDST (GMT+13), which is

(expired on 2011-11-15 03:00:00)

from now.

The regular early morning yell of horror was the sound of Arthur Dent waking up and suddenly remembering where he was.

[Umbrage]

Well, GLaDOS is confirmed town. As for The Rufflig, I guess he was just piggybacking unto the sorgster-GLaDOS townie brigade.

The flavour looks like Vogons are the scum, which means they probably have fake claims. Could been better if we let The Rufflig claim before we lynched him, naughty little Bub.

hasdgfas was a mason(?) so we're definitely waiting for a claim THIS time around.

GLaDOS, sorry I ever doubted you. *hugs*

TheFool and farside22 are still scumreads of mine, more so now that Cow's dead and town.

VisceraEyes... we'll see how it goes.

VOTE: TheFool
VOTE: farside22

FoS: Bub Bidderskins

Also: I was sent an email saying that someone read a poem at me for a while. I clearly survived, so this is either a roleblock or a delayed-kill. So if I drop dead tonight, you'll know why.

[farside22]

Umbrage Cow wasn't mason. He was Neighbour with telepathic ability.
IE: Ability to communicate. I know this because he and I were neighbors, which was why I kept questioning him.

He was suspicious of Benoni (VE). He thought Benoni was chainsaw defending TR during the exchange early on with Glad/TR.

I told Cow when I was reading I thought the wagon on Umbrage had scum on it and was a counter wagon to try and save TR.
I had not had time to finish my reread do to Halloween.

Vote: VE

That's for cow.
I'm still finishing my own theory and reads.

[Umbrage]

WHAT.

YOU SPENT THE WHOLE DAY TUNNELING ON SOMEONE YOU COULD'VE SPOKEN TO PRIVATELY AT ANY TIME.

[farside22]

WHAT.

YOU SPENT THE WHOLE DAY TUNNELING ON SOMEONE YOU COULD'VE SPOKEN TO PRIVATELY AT ANY TIME.

I did both the QT and in this game.
Second I didn't tunnel on him alone. I found others scummy.

CAN YOU AT LEAST READ THE FUCKING GAME BEFORE MISREPRESENTING PEOPLE!?

[Umbrage]

Yeah, you kinda did. When you weren't tunneling on Unknown. You refused to participate in any discussion involving any other player except to say "I'm not voting someone I have a townread on" without any explanation for that townread.

I HAVE been reading the game, as evidenced by the fact that I successfully predicted the alignment of BOTH lynches. You've been tunneling. When you think Cow is scum, he gets your full attention. When you think Unknown's scum, he gets your full attention.

Your original argument for Cow being scum was that he didn't think Isa was obvscum. That's something that should've been debated in the QT, NOT spamming up the thread with your walls. That's anti-town, and it's really stupid and selfish. You exist in your own little fantasy world, where we're all just supposed to sheep you. Not happening.

Give me one reason why I should take your Unknown case seriously. Your stated case on Cow wasn't the whole story. Even now you're not saying what went on in the QT.

Why is this?

BECAUSE YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT CATCHING SCUM.

YOU CARE ABOUT MAKING PEOPLE THINK YOU'RE SCUMHUNTING.

So you pull off a big song and dance, Cow's scum, Cow's scum, Unknown's scum. Even as deadline approaches, you refuse to even consider changing your vote. You disregard EVERYTHING ELSE ANYONE SAYS and then wonder out loud why people aren't voting for your targets.

What really went on in that QT I wonder. I'm guessing something like this:

Cow: Hey farside, what's with all that noise in the thread?

farside: Oh, just play along, it'll fool the scum and they'll keep us alive!

[VisceraEyes]

Umbrage is right about farside. She's not scumhunting, and is attacking anyone who says so. I'm going to withhold my vote for now, but I'm growing more and more suspicious of farside.

Umbrage is NOT right about Vogons being scum however. I claim the Sorg shot. I found him to be scummy as sin and he died for it. *shrug*

Now, I'm all about a Bub lynch at this point. He flipflopped at the very end with a faux-hammer. It looks to me like scum trying to be on the right side of our first scum lynch. I don't like it.

VOTE: Bub Bidderskins

Beyond that, I'm going to have to reread.

[TheFool]

farside, could we get a flavor claim?

VE, did you recite at Umbrage?

Agreed that Bub's not-hammer was pretty bad.

VOTE: Bub Bidderskins

[VisceraEyes]

I recited at Sorg, as per my claim. I decided last minute that because TR flipped scum, he was probably trying to protect his buddy...I was mistaken.

I decided NOT to kill Umbrage, despite STRONG STRONG desire to. In spite of his horrible attitude, he actually IS scumhunting, and town would be weaker without him.

What I'm concerned with now is that he was right about TR. This begs the question...is he scum with preknowledge that bussed for town-cred? This is an answer that will probably reveal itself, so I don't expect Umbrage to respond. I mean, he will....but I don't expect him to.

[TheFool]

So we've got 2 poetry-oriented power roles? Weird.

[VisceraEyes]

Why do you say that?

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

1.)

VisceraEyes, I want more thorough reasoning for why you killed sorgster. Because that was an absolutely terrible kill if you are Town.

sorgster had claimed he could confirm player's flavor (i.e., Thief). And The Rufflig fllipped Mafia Rolecop. Seeing as it is

ridiculously unlikely

that a Mod would give a scum-group

two roles that investigate player's roles

, why exactly was your first jump in logic to conclude that they were scum together? Why would you choose to kill him instead of seeing if he actually had the ability he claimed to have?

2.)

VisceraEyes, please explain your flavor. Why, would you argue, are you Town? What do you make of Umbrage’s claim that he was also “recited” at?

3.)

VisceraEyes, you claimed you changed your mind “last minute.” Who were you originally going to kill, if anybody?

4.)

Bud Bidderskins, were you aware you not actually the hammer vote? If not, why did you hammer The Rufflig?

5.)

farside22, please give a more detailed summary of what occurred in the QuickTopic between you and hasdgfas.

6.)

Umbrage, were you aware that you did not really put The Rufflig at L-1 due to your failure to unvote?

7.)

Unknown, two things. First, get an avatar already. Second, please answer the question (#5) I asked you in Post 769.

8.)

xvart, skimming your posts, it looks like you made the same jump hasdgfas did. Why is you focused on the “role-blocking” aspect of my role in order to come to the conclusion that one of Isa / myself was likely scum, despite the fact that my role clearly did not act like an actual role-blocker?

[VisceraEyes]

... Processing ...

1.)

VisceraEyes, I want more thorough reasoning for why you killed sorgster. Because that was an absolutely terrible kill if you are Town.

sorgster had claimed he could confirm player's flavor (i.e., Thief). And The Rufflig fllipped Mafia Rolecop. Seeing as it is

ridiculously unlikely

that a Mod would give a scum-group

two roles that investigate player's roles

, why exactly was your first jump in logic to conclude that they were scum together? Why would you choose to kill him instead of seeing if he actually had the ability he claimed to have?

Because TR flipped scum, I thought he was probably protecting his buddy. If sorgster was his buddy, I had no reason to believe his claim (which to me looked useless as my role is one I would consider to be sided with scum, yet I'm not.) Hence, I figured he was lying about his claim. *shrug* I don't like the results, but I don't regret the shot either.

2.)

VisceraEyes, please explain your flavor. Why, would you argue, are you Town? What do you make of Umbrage’s claim that he was also “recited” at?

I am Grunthos the Flatulent. I'm not sure what to make of Umbrage's claim. He's probably not lying, I know that much. I know that if my recital had been blocked in any way, the recipient would have been notified, as Umbrage said, that they were recited to, but would not know the reason or effect. So as far as I know, Umbrage is probably safe. As far as why I'm town...I can't answer that. In the books, the Vogons weren't particularly BAD...they were just unpleasant. But of any of the characters (it's been a LONG time since I've read the 'trilogy') I'd say the Vogons are most likely to be scum. *shrug* This is also partially why I didn't believe sorg's claim...because I know that flavor does not hint at alignment, at least on the basest level. And with that knowledge, I guessed that he must have assumed that flavor would equal alignment when he crafted his claim. Obviously he was telling the truth, but I'm telling you WHY I killed sorg...not why I shouldn't have.

3.)

VisceraEyes, you claimed you changed your mind “last minute.” Who were you originally going to kill, if anybody?

As I said, I had planned to kill Umbrage because he's a meanie mean head...I decided that instead of doing that, I would try and kill scum...He's looking less like scum the more time that passes.

I'm interested in why GLaDOS is now 'confirmed' to Umbrage though...his theory was that TR and GLaDOS were buddies bussing each other, and now TR has flipped scum.

[VisceraEyes]

Let's talk flavor if we can. The first 'murder' was Zaphod Beeblebrox himself, NPC. Flavorwise, obviously this is a departure from the book, but it may hold clues as to who the scum might be. The first scum we found was Gag Halfrunt, Zaphod's personal brain-care specialist. Should we extrapolate that the other scum will be in some form or another be related to Zaphod? I understand that I'm a day late with this as I killed sorg, but there may be other 'Thief' roles (there are apparently other 'Vig' roles out there unless Umbrage is lying...I don't think he is.)

My first thought is Eccentrica Gallumbits, the Triple-Breasted Whore of Eroticon Six. Another possibility is Yooden Vranx, the former President of the Galaxy and the reason we're all on the HoG right now and not some Vogon Construction vehicle.

[Lunitawolf]

@Umbrage

Are you basing the view GLaDOS is confirmed town on his being Ford Prefect, since a Vogon was scum?

If we had Sorg here we could have done a mass flavor claim and have him check those who were suspicious. I was toying with whether to suggest we do that anyway, but I'm not sure that would really give us any usable data right now. Especially as VE seems to be claiming (?) being a Vogon and not scum.

@Bub,

Did you think you were hammering Rufflig when you placed your vote (again) on him? Why didn't you ask for a claim?

VOTE: Bub
Voting for Bub for the 'hammer'

VOTE: Xvart

Rufflig voted for Xvart yesterday, yet Rufflig never pushes the Xvart wagon. So he wasn't using his vote to try and get a town mislynch. The alternative is that he placed his vote on his buddy to try and gain town cred down the line.

[Umbrage]

@GLaDOS: No, I didn't know that's what caused the mix-up.

I know that if my recital had been blocked in any way, the recipient would have been notified, as Umbrage said, that they were recited to, but would not know the reason or effect.

OK. As far as I can tell there are two possibilities here:

1) VE is telling the truth. He's a town-aligned Vogon that killed sorgster. A scum-aligned Vogon TRIED to kill me, but was roleblocked by someone else.

2) VE is lying, and at least two the remaining scum are Vogons. He killed sorgster while a partner roleblocked me.

If 1) is true, that means we have a town roleblocker who targeted scum last night. They should claim NOW. If 2) is true, then either town or third-party shot Cow. They should claim NOW.

Either way we get confirmed scum. SO LET'S GET CLAIMIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VisceraEyes]

@GLaDOS: No, I didn't know that's what caused the mix-up.

I know that if my recital had been blocked in any way, the recipient would have been notified, as Umbrage said, that they were recited to, but would not know the reason or effect.

OK. As far as I can tell there are two possibilities here:

1) VE is telling the truth. He's a town-aligned Vogon that killed sorgster. A scum-aligned Vogon TRIED to kill me, but was roleblocked by someone else.

2) VE is lying, and at least two the remaining scum are Vogons. He killed sorgster while a partner roleblocked me.

If 1) is true, that means we have a town roleblocker who targeted scum last night. They should claim NOW. If 2) is true, then either town or third-party shot Cow. They should claim NOW.

Either way we get confirmed scum. SO LET'S GET CLAIMIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually Umbrage, what makes you think that we have a town-aligned role-blocker? Is it not feasible to assume that a scum-aligned roleblocker blocked another town-aligned Vogon who was targeting you? Just because I changed my mind doesn't necessarily mean that someone else had to as well...and what do you mean 'while a partner roleblocked me.' Were you roleblocked? Was this a mistype? What does this mean?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Just to be clear about my "hammer". I had already voted for Ruffling at the time of the "hammer" and was just reinforcing my vote. However, the mod put me on as a hammer by accident and "lynched" Ruffling. I did not intend to hammer at all. I probably should have put something like "confirm vote: Ruffling" there to make it clear what I was doing, though.

Umbrage is right about farside. She's not scumhunting, and is attacking anyone who says so. I'm going to withhold my vote for now, but I'm growing more and more suspicious of farside.

Umbrage is NOT right about Vogons being scum however. I claim the Sorg shot. I found him to be scummy as sin and he died for it. *shrug*

Now, I'm all about a Bub lynch at this point. He flipflopped at the very end with a faux-hammer. It looks to me like scum trying to be on the right side of our first scum lynch. I don't like it.

VOTE: Bub Bidderskins

Beyond that, I'm going to have to reread.

Why aren't you voting for or pressuring farside? You've got two votes, what use does "I'm now more and more suspisious of farside" do?

[VisceraEyes]

I'm aware I have two votes. I'm saving one for someone special. Not really. I'm just saving it until I have a better idea of who's actually scum.

'more and more suspicious' =/= 'I think he's definitely scum and should hang'

'more and more suspicious' = 'I am reserving judgement until I see how his play today pans out.'

The purpose of the statement was to reinforce Umbrage's vote by stating that I don't think Umbrage is wrong in suspecting him, and he has my support if nothing changes.

[Umbrage]

@ VE: I know a Vogon targeted me last night, based on the flavour I THINK it was a roleblock, can't confirm this though. What makes you think there are 2 town-aligned Vogons? Gag Halfrunt was working with the Vogons.

[VisceraEyes]

Gag Halfrunt WAS a Vogon and was actually working WITH Zaphod Beeblebrox...but I digress.

As I said in my post (did you read it?), my role states very clearly that when I recite my awful poetry to someone, they die because it's so bad. However, if for some reason my 'recite' is blocked or otherwise does not resolve, the target WILL be alerted that they were recited to...leading me to believe that a Vogon targeted you with a night-action intended to kill you, and he was roleblocked. Have YOU ever been in a game where scum get a NK AND a killing power? I'm absolutely not ruling out the possibility of a 3rd party Vogon by any stretch, but scum KP+Night Action KP does NOT compute. Am I wrong in assuming so?

[xvart]

I have limited access through Sunday.

The flavour looks like Vogons are the scum, which means they probably have fake claims.

As someone else already said this is not true.

I know this because he and I were neighbors, which was why I kept questioning him.

I'm really having a lot of difficulty processing this with everything that went down yesterday between you two. I need to think on both scum and town motivations for your actions against hascow all game.

I recited at Sorg, as per my claim.

Is your role binary? If?

8.)

xvart, skimming your posts, it looks like you made the same jump hasdgfas did. Why is you focused on the “role-blocking” aspect of my role in order to come to the conclusion that one of Isa / myself was likely scum, despite the fact that my role clearly did not act like an actual role-blocker?

As I said yesterday when you were questioning my read on you my scum read wasn't based on there being two roleblockers, although at the time I did find it difficult to believe that town would have two abilities to block scum kills. I remember thinking it seemed way lopsided with two blocks.

I understand that I'm a day late with this as I killed sorg, but there may be other 'Thief' roles (there are apparently other 'Vig' roles out there unless Umbrage is lying...I don't think he is.)

Since this seems to becoming a focal point I feel I need to claim that I read poetry to Umbrage last night but I am neither a RBer or vig.

VE

- why did you isolate me out based on The Ruffling's votes and not Umbrage? I believe Umbrage to be town but I don't recall you ever saying the same.