Cyclic Experimentation Set x02 - [Game Over]

[Furcolow]

Junpei, I have given a ton of town and scum reads, what else would you have me do?
I can't game a setup on d1 with no actions based on who has passed to who

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 1x19 ::

Stringer Bell (8) -

MagnaofIllusion, PeregrineV, Drunken Piper, EtherealCookie, FourseenCircumstance, projectmatt, Bunnylover, RedCoyote

nopointinactingup (5) -

DrippingGoofball, Magister Ludi, Toogeloo, implosion, Furcolow

Junpei (3) -

SlySly, springlullaby, Ghostlin

FourseenCircumstance (2) -

Junpei, Sinestro

Magister Ludi (1) -

nopointinactingup

Furcolow (1) -

Stringer Bell

Toogeloo (1) -

warriormode

RedCoyote (1) -

wazzatron

Not Voting (3) -

whispersilk, Kdub, chkflip

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2011-11-08 23:07:02).

People to receive prods: EtherealCookie.

[Junpei]

Analysis would be nice on what is currently going on.

For instance, your opinion on NPIAU's countercase to ML?

[Furcolow]

I don't see ML as scum
I felt NPAU's post was contrived... I agree with ML on that
I addressed that here:

I like ML's read on NPAU
I don't see why NPAU quoted Ghostlin's post on me... he didn't even respond to it, analyze it, or anything. His "wall" was mainly one liners.

I'm not parroting; I've already felt this
I was reserving my read as per the fact I asked NPAU a question about it already, as seen here:

1)

NPAU why did you quote the post that Ghostlin voted me in

2) MoI: thanks for the defense of my wagon not being viable
What has made it not viable?

I even bolded it for you guys.
Thank me later.

I also questioned NPAU in 580
I see NPAU as scum
but, I would join SB over you, Junpei
I feel, if you are town, you might actually be helpful

[Furcolow]

*588

[SlySly]

implosion, are you still on the nopoint wagon just to see where it goes?

[Junpei]

Uh, you just talked about how he quoted Ghostlin, but not about the rebuttal itself. It is one liners, but it is beautiful logic in my opinion, and holds that ML is suspicious.

[SlySly]

Not a fan of the sonnet style posting...

This very well could be, just my opinion
But text without prose, might not be an option

I doubt that this flavor very much matters
More important this day is that scum blood gets splattered

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Why Stringer over Junpei?

[wazzatron]

Why these people: Drunken Piper, Wazzatron

Not a fan of the sonnet style posting, although, on a closer readthrough, it's not as bad as I initially thought. Is it just me or does it seem like he made a lot more posts than he has?

I'll give you that wazza, I'll retract that. I thought his vote was still on warrior, which kind of put me off to him. I didn't realize he had switched to SB.

As for you, I don't like your brazen defense of nopoint. Just because you responded well doesn't mean I automatically think you're town. I think you'd make a good lynch.

hmmm the thing is if you look at the actual post i was commenting on (DGB's macaroni salad crap) and i saw no reason for the wagon so i was trying to point out to everyone that i wanted actual cases and not just the crap that was being pulled out of no where, just like in science you can't prove it without actually showing how you proved it.

this was the post.

I find the reasoning of Ludi and those who talk about how there's 0% fourseen is scum by the fast wagonning bullshit. It's just appeal to probability. Please show evidence that he's not scum instead. If Fourseen flips scum those will be my number 1 suspects.

Hi scum.

You're better than this word macaroni salad when you're town.

VOTE: nopointunactingup

... seriously actually place a case so that people will believe you i will say this once

to start a legitimate wagon place a convincing case that gets others to look at what they have done.

but no you have just said he is scum... sorry but i don't believe it.

can you honestly tell me that there is a case here or not, honestly bold it for me.

also i can understand the "scummy" seeming of drunken piper's posts i honestly think they are fun and i will see if he makes actual reads, if not it will seem more scummy.

Still i'm not unvoting you yet i want to see your answer

[nopointinactingup]

1) NPAU why did you quote the post that Ghostlin voted me in
2) MoI: thanks for the defense of my wagon not being viable
What has made it not viable?

I lost my reply somewhere @@ I was saying you always play like a VI

Yeah, I think nopoint is scum. His entire wall are lies. And I get the distinct feeling he wants to have really long clashing wall battle just to bog down everything.
'

Yeah I seek a battle with scum, what's wrong with that? U afraid you might slip scum?

I like ML's read on NPAU
I don't see why NPAU quoted Ghostlin's post on me... he didn't even respond to it, analyze it, or anything. His "wall" was mainly one liners.

I'm not parroting; I've already felt this
I was reserving my read as per the fact I asked NPAU a question about it already, as seen here:

1)

NPAU why did you quote the post that Ghostlin voted me in

2) MoI: thanks for the defense of my wagon not being viable
What has made it not viable?

I even bolded it for you guys.
Thank me later.

I was not here to reply to your damn question. Another shitty reason on my wagon.

Yeah, I think nopoint is scum. His entire wall are lies. And I get the distinct feeling he wants to have really long clashing wall battle just to bog down everything.

I read the response more as, "You guys haven't said anything that makes me scum, it's not fair I could possibly be lynched." Like we are right for all the wrong reasons lol.

SO you think town wouldn't think it's unfair that people might be lynching him without a fucking case? Purposely painting me bad to try to push LUdi's image up aren't you?

nopoint has been rubbing me the wrong way for most of the game

That's because I'm not very nice, not I'm scum

MoI, make a comprehensive case on Stinger, the reason is to show how and why you are committed to this wagon as much as you are.

Yeah. Stringer is null-town to me right now and I'm only gonna consider voting him near deadline.

[Kdub]

Now that I have looked at him again, that was really the main thing you and others have focused on in building the case on him.

That’s not really accurate. I summarized the whole case on him in post 490.

The only other points you made against him was that he started lurking and then became more active when you pressured him (this is a meh point, people naturally defend themselves when pressured, which can lead to a perceived increase in activity) and rolefishing Toog (point taken, although Toog had volunteered role info in the first place).

I would like to hear from Stringer, Sinestro, Junpei, and whisper regarding their opinions of the top wagons. I'd include chkflip and warrior as well, but they are V/LA.

We're coming up on 3 days left to the deadline. I'll have something important to say later tonight.

[DrippingGoofball]

We're coming up on 3 days left to the deadline. I'll have something important to say later tonight.

...waiting...

[Junpei]

I find Stringer to be scum and have no real read on nopoint, I liked his logic from a page ago a lot, so I suppose I have a leaning town read on him.

[Magister Ludi]

Kdub, if you are implying you are a day vig or something similar, I highly recommend using it on nopoint. I don't really care if Stringer Bell is alive, but I do have a town read on Junpei right now, so nothing on him.

[Junpei]

Oh cool you're here... make a nopoint case. It will go right above the fireplace with MoI's stinger case.

[Magister Ludi]

A few of my points are in my isolation 38 and 40.

[Junpei]

>a few of my points

I want the whole thing.

[Magister Ludi]

What is your purpose?

[Junpei]

To understand your thought process, to see what I may have missed. To see why you are so confident that nopoint is scum.

[Magister Ludi]

Its not that I am 'confident', Its that I believe he has the highest chance of flipping scum and being lynched today.

This has obviously been enough for several other people as well, considering this is the second largest wagon and stuffed full of my town reads. If you wanted to discuss it, I would be more than happy to chat with you after you iso him and them come back to me with why you think he is town or scum. We could go from there, intelligently, because you would then have a basis on the source material. (nopoint's actions in this game)

But really, I have no idea why you want me to waste my time when it is unnecessary, and you could be doing the work yourself if it was so important to you.

[Junpei]

Because I want evidence that you actually have good reasons for him being scum, and are not just riding his name as the day closes out to pretend to scumhunt. I don't believe that you actually have much on him at all.

[Magister Ludi]

Lol. What is "much"? A cop confirmed guilty? If you got one of those, speak up.

Seriously, you're like that kid in class who walks in when Nietzsche is being discussed, without having read the source material, and then trying to offer your opinion or conjecture about what he says. You're ignorant.

If you really think nopoint is town, read his iso, make a town case, and then we can all look at it and judge it. That's what I did with forseen, and you will notice there is no longer a wagon there. Nopoint wagon is doing fine.

[Junpei]

Oh, you are asking me to give details of my town reads?

I am informed, now tell me why nopoint is scum. You're like the kid who walks in when two adults are having a calm discussion on philosophy, and you come in quoting Zeno and acting like that is all that there is, Zeno. But there is also Aristotle, and Thales. You're ignorant.

If you really think nopoint is scum, read his iso, make a scum case, and then we can all look at it and judge it. That's what I did with fourseen, and you will notice that he faded into the background. Nopoint wagon is awful.

[wazzatron]

i'm sorry i have to interject here but isn't the idea to prove his scum not prove his town (innocent until proven guilty) tell me if this is not the case.

so i would like to see you build up a case you've had the time to and i instead of arguing you did this we would be a lot further along and possibly at your desired lynch.

[Kdub]

Alright, we're about 3 days to deadline. Ludi has the right idea. I'm going to partially ability claim.

I claim day vigilante

My shot must be public, does not end the day, and does not extend the deadline with the exception that if there is less than 72 hours left, the deadline gets reset to 72 hours from that point. I am not going to claim any additional restrictions or whether it is limited shot in order to keep the scum guessing about whether I will have anything to pass tonight or not. Obviously tomorrow I will claim as per the plan.

My plan was to let the day progress as normal and just use it when someone was about to be lynched, but since that hasn't happened and we are coming up on the deadline, I figured I should claim now so we can figure out effectively two lynches in the next 3-6 days. I had hinted at wanting to take out diddin earlier, but I know that would be selfish and it's better for us overall if we get input from everyone to figure out how best to use it. What I did not want to happen was to get down to the deadline, have someone claim some PR that would make us reconsider, and then I'd be forced to either kill them anyway or risk a quickhammer happening before I could use it.

So it looks like SB is the top choice for now. I'll hold off on the shot for a couple days so we can discuss if this is the way we want to go, but we should make a decision and get a claim within the next day or two.