Newbie 1170: DarthYoshi's Medieval Mafia! (Fin--Who won?!)

[DarthYoshi]

Day Two, Vote Count the Seventh

Shinki (3): Kirbyoshi, DeasVail, Velzanath
Kirbyoshi (2): Shinki, LyingBrian
Not Voting (2): Fakinha. DaLetterEl

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch and 4 to no-lynch.

The deadline is currently set for 8:00 pm Pacific Standard Time on Tuesday, November 8.

As ever, any questions or concerns, please let me know.

[Shinki]

There is no "reason" behind our attacks or even distancing to each other, it's purely meta-based because we're friends. At the most, what I can say is that in the beggining we were randomly cruising through D1 interacting with each other, and in D2 we get more serious about the game, and this includes changing the in-game relationship of randomness of D1 between me and Fakinha. That breaks the whole 'theory' I guess..

I think Kirbyoshi is tryng way too hard to push a misslynch on me just because of #384 "little stuff" and "no big reason". He doesn't even got a strong gut-feeling like me or something like that to be so certain about it, just random opportunistic reasons >_> , some examples can be found here:
#352, #370, #371.
It's weird that he continued to attack me after he said this: #294
#294 was around the time Velazanth arrived to the game. Until then, Kirbyoshi chances of pushing a sucessful wagon on me was going down, so he says that "shinki stupidity makes her look townie" thing, but then Velazanth comes to the game and gives me rope, then Kirbyoshi go back in what he said and starts to attack me again as "obvious scum", since he got a new sheep to help him.
Also, his catch up post on D1 was extremely opportunistic just letting his vote where it was before he arrived. (duckhunter)

'k, that was fairly good for a gut-case I guess, can we lynch scum now?

[Fakinha]

I did the ISO of Shinki but fucking mouse CLOSED THE TAB. Not gonna do it again.

VOTE: Kirbyoshi

She has very good arguments and Kirbyoshi's posts are totally useless and deflective.

[Velazanth]

I did the ISO of Shinki but fucking mouse CLOSED THE TAB. Not gonna do it again.

VOTE: Kirbyoshi

She has very good arguments and Kirbyoshi's posts are totally useless and deflective.

LOL! I was gonna read her posts but then I didn't /votewagon.

Do we need anymore proof?

[DeasVail]

Vela, why are you assuming that kirbyoshi is town? It almost seems as if you know that he is...

If he is, then I agree that Fakinha and Shinki look like a possible scumteam, but if he's scum then you're completely wrong.

Kirbyoshi, I want to know why you think shinki is scum at this point in the game. Don't refer to previous threads. Please say everything you think in one post.

I think Shinki is more likely to be scum because I can't see any town motivation behind some of her posts and actions, so I'll leave my vote on her. I guess it's up to DLE now.

[DaLetterEl]

I guess it's up to DLE now.

Yeesh, why the pressure?

Kirbyoshi and Shinki still remain as the people I most need to re-read for, so I'm definitely not hammering as it stands right now, and we still have a few days anyway. I'll ISO them both when I wake up.

Really.

Fakinha, can you summarize a couple of the ideas which you had in your ISO on Shinki? I don't need everything from it, since you seem to imply that you had a lot, but just a few of the reasons or posts which really convince you would be nice.

Shinki and Kirbyoshi, is there anything you want to contribute or say before my vote that you think would convince me not to vote for you? Is there something that you want to say that you feel is otherwise important for you to say before the lynch?

[DarthYoshi]

Prodding LyingBrian

[Fakinha]

I did the ISO of Shinki but fucking mouse CLOSED THE TAB. Not gonna do it again.

VOTE: Kirbyoshi

She has very good arguments and Kirbyoshi's posts are totally useless and deflective.

LOL! I was gonna read her posts but then I didn't /votewagon.

Do we need anymore proof?

Dude... *facepalm* I read everything and I made a

HUGE

post. When I was looking at the thread again and clicked on the tab where my post was, I clicked on the "x" and lost everything. And wtf proof? Make some usefull comment.

@DLE
I'll just quote the main¹²³ posts. Gosh I sumairize everything... fucking mousepad that kills me on dota and fucks me on mafia.

#238
#240
#299

[DeasVail]

Fakinha, I find your choice of post links confusing, as in my opinion, the things mentioned aren't really things that would make me suspect kirbyoshi, while there are things about kirbyoshi that I find suspicious.

Why do you use Shinki's posts? Why not consider why I find kirbyoshi suspicious?

[Shinki]

Because you're voting me and not Kirbyoshi maybe?

Aand,

I guess it's up to DLE now.

Yeesh, why the pressure?

Kirbyoshi and Shinki still remain as the people I most need to re-read for, so I'm definitely not hammering as it stands right now, and we still have a few days anyway. I'll ISO them both when I wake up.

Really.

Fakinha, can you summarize a couple of the ideas which you had in your ISO on Shinki? I don't need everything from it, since you seem to imply that you had a lot, but just a few of the reasons or posts which really convince you would be nice.

Shinki and Kirbyoshi, is there anything you want to contribute or say before my vote that you think would convince me not to vote for you? Is there something that you want to say that you feel is otherwise important for you to say before the lynch?

I don't have anything else I want to say... I already said everything that is relevant to me, but if you want to ask something, feel free

[Shinki]

Because you're voting me and not Kirbyoshi maybe?

And probably someone will ask about this sentence so I'll just be clear already. I mean, DV wanted Fakinha to point his reasons, but DV's suspicion about Kirby is not even strong enough to vote him, so why should Fakinha point it? ( I don't even know why you suspect him btw, just saying )

[Shinki]

why you suspect him = Deas suspecting Kirby

[DeasVail]

My suspicion of kirby is strong enough for me to vote for him, but I think you're more likely to be scum.

I didn't think the examples Fakinha provided were too convincing and I think the reasons why I find him suspicious make sense (at least to me anyway). I was wondering why Fakinha chose to use your posts as opposed to anyone else's and ones which aren't too convincing at that.

I'll repost my thoughts on both players:

Shinki: I didn't find her particularly suspicious until she started using the suspicion on me to avoid answering my questions and dismiss anything I had to say, instead just reinforcing that I was scum. I can not understand why a townie would do this. I think it likely that she's scum and was trying to use the suspicion on me to avoid attention. I can't be sure why she did it, but as I said, I don't see why a townie would.
There are also smaller things, which I've thought about:
-The sorgster kill could have possibly been for the reason kirby came up with.
-Shinki seeming to make out that I was attacking her at times that I wasn't. I think scum would be more paranoid regarding questions asked to them, thinking they're being attacked when they're not etc.
-Shinki has not changed her views throughout day 2, even though she used her "newbness" as a reason not to have a proper case on anyone', which I thought would mean that she wouldn't be confident with her scumhunting abilities. Obviously there is the possibility of town doing this, but this seems to me like Shinki could be trying to stick to a night-plan, especially considering that DLE said he'd look at Kirby and I if duckhunter was revealed town.
-Saying she wouldn't discuss the case against me with me even though she suspected me.
-Making out she was more noob than Fakinha revealed.

Kirbyoshi:
-The person he replaced voted duckhunter, and he kept his vote on with little consideration. He didn't seem to consider the possibility of duck being town and strongly encouraged the lynch to go through, without really discussing why he found duck suspicious.
-Wanting everyone's suspicions before the lynch in the case of each possible duckhunter role, without providing his own. Seemed like he could be scum wanting to work out the best way to manipulate us with a night kill.
-The lack of content he provided throughout day 2, apart from saying that Shinki is scum and defense/suspicion of me- which I'll get to.
-Questioning the logic of the attacks against me, when it looked like I was going to be lynched and he was my main suspect (possibly scum trying to look good in the case of my lynch), but then, once my wagon had lost a bit of steam and I was on the Shinki wagon, there was the fake-sounding suspicion of me based on me buddying him (which I think could be because he's scum and was trying to keep the option of mislynching me open)

If you want me to provide an example of something I've posted, please ask.

[DaLetterEl]

Mkay, did quicker ISOs than I wanted to on both Shinki and Kirbyoshi, but ISOs nonetheless. I still want to wait and see what kirbyoshi has to say prior to this vote if anything.

[Fakinha]

Fakinha, I find your choice of post links confusing, as in my opinion, the things mentioned aren't really things that would make me suspect kirbyoshi, while there are things about kirbyoshi that I find suspicious.

Why do you use Shinki's posts? Why not consider why I find kirbyoshi suspicious?

Because I did an ISO of Shinki's posts, not yours.

[Kirbyoshi]

DV, provide an example of a time when scum asked about suspicions before a lynch went through, to decide who to NK. I want to know where you've seen that before.

[DeasVail]

DV, provide an example of a time when scum asked about suspicions before a lynch went through, to decide who to NK. I want to know where you've seen that before.

I am new to mafia and people's play-styles are often different. I don't see why I should have something from my experience to back up my thoughts. I've already explained that it would allow the mafia to information for night kills, which is why I think the mafia may have been interested in getting that information.

[Velazanth]

Kirbyoshi:
-The person he replaced voted duckhunter, and he kept his vote on with little consideration. He didn't seem to consider the possibility of duck being town and strongly encouraged the lynch to go through, without really discussing why he found duck suspicious.
-Wanting everyone's suspicions before the lynch in the case of each possible duckhunter role, without providing his own. Seemed like he could be scum wanting to work out the best way to manipulate us with a night kill.
-The lack of content he provided throughout day 2, apart from saying that Shinki is scum and defense/suspicion of me- which I'll get to.
-Questioning the logic of the attacks against me, when it looked like I was going to be lynched and he was my main suspect (possibly scum trying to look good in the case of my lynch), but then, once my wagon had lost a bit of steam and I was on the Shinki wagon, there was the fake-sounding suspicion of me based on me buddying him (which I think could be because he's scum and was trying to keep the option of mislynching me open)

If you want me to provide an example of something I've posted, please ask.

I'm gonna go ahead and defend Kirby. I see what you're saying DV, and I really feel like you're scumhunting here, but I think Kirby's town poll prior to N1 was so that he could get caught up on the game he replaced into. In another game that I replaced into as town, I did the same thing, leaving my vote the way it was inherited and trying to get better reasons as to why it was the way it was. DV, if you'll remember Shinki was pushing your lynch harder than anyone, and even though Kirby had his vote on you, you reacted to him pretty hard. It's obvious that most of us are on the same team here, and when you realized your wagon had lost some steam, it was natural for you to "buddy" with Kirby, as I feel you are town and don't want to be mislynched. I also feel it was natural for him to suspect you for this, as quickly changing perspective once the heat is off can be a scumtell. I'm pretty convinced that both you and Kirby are town, trying to scumhunt and that there are two individuals who have been distorting the arguments and throwing us off their trail. Read my previous posts to know who these two are.

[DeasVail]

The thing is, I still don't understand how I was buddying him at all and I have trouble believing his reasons for suspecting me. Also, I don't think Kirby has had his vote on me. I do understand there are possible "town reasons" for his actions, which is why I think that Shinki is the best lynch option. However, I do think there is good reason to suspect kirbyoshi too, so I thought I'd provide what I consider scummy about both for DLE to consider.

Fakinha, you seem fairly comfortable with DLE making the final decision (which I'm assuming will happen) considering that he's one of your top suspects.

[Shinki]

With townies like Velazanth, this game doesn't even need a mafia traitor to help them.

[Kirbyoshi]

With posts like the one Shinki just made, who needs a cop?

[Velazanth]

Post 420 FTW

[Shinki]

Mkay, did quicker ISOs than I wanted to on both Shinki and Kirbyoshi, but ISOs nonetheless. I still want to wait and see what kirbyoshi has to say prior to this vote if anything.

DV, provide an example of a time when scum asked about suspicions before a lynch went through, to decide who to NK. I want to know where you've seen that before.

With posts like the one Shinki just made, who needs a cop?

Post 415 & 420 ftw!

[LyingBrian]

Why do you use Shinki's posts? Why not consider why I find kirbyoshi suspicious?

Because you're voting me and not Kirbyoshi maybe?

sorry for the absence everyone, i got my days mixed up and thought i could post later today. that being said, it's really late, and i'm tired, so i'll post more tomorrow, but i did find the above interesting.

Shinki, let me get this straight:
Fakinha should not consider why DeasVail considers Kirbyoshi suspicious, b/c Deasvail is voting YOU?
[sarcasm] yeah, that doesn't make you sound like you two are a scum team at all [/sarcasm]

[Shinki]

Because you're voting me and not Kirbyoshi maybe?

And probably someone will ask about this sentence so I'll just be clear already. I mean, DV wanted Fakinha to point his reasons, but DV's suspicion about Kirby is not even strong enough to vote him, so why should Fakinha point it? ( I don't even know why you suspect him btw, just saying )

why you suspect him = Deas suspecting Kirby

I'm getting tired of quoting my own posts...