I thought Matt was town but this new stuff by him has made me have a re-read and I no longer feel that way. The following is a post by post on why MattP is scum. Enjoy.
In post 878, MattP wrote:So Shinki wasn't detective then. O.o Well, that's surprising.
First off the block I choose this quote. It's light hearted enough but I don't see much town in it. Sure it may have been surprising (I disagree) but really, what's the point in saying it?
In post 917, MattP wrote:I know what he is saying. We have played on another forum together where I am more aggressive. Since I am not playing that way I assume he thinks I am scummy. However, the reason I am not playing that way is because I don't know anyone here and am more reluctant to play the way I am comfortable playing yet.
I don't buy this explanation at all. Who in their right mind would care about this to the extent you are indicating. You should play with whatever style you are comfortable with, no matter what. There's literally no reason to play a way other than what makes you comfortable. Unless you're afraid that you'll attract negative attention by playing your usual aggressive way... and as a town player it really shouldn't bother you too much if you draw a little bad press. Only scum would fear their reveal that much.
In post 989, MattP wrote: In post 987, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 919, MattP wrote:
My vote on Empking was my first post because I was unable to get online and post before that due to RL. After reading up I decided that Empking was the best choice, and guess what? He was scum.
My vote on Shinki was not a vote to actually get her lynched, it was a vote because apparently on this forum when people want to get a response from someone they vote for them to spur them to do so. I had a question for her I wanted answered, I was just following how everyone else does it.
My vote on MacDougall? That was not a bad vote. I said explicitly in the post where I voted that I was doing so based on previous conversatin about him and outlined the posts that convinced me.
Well my whole thing is you said you found Emp the scummiest but you didn't show any work. For all I know it was a bus on your buddy for town cred.
Your Shinki vote makes a little more sense here. Still don't understand what 125 had to do with it though. Did you find this post scummy? Why did you not mention anything about it on day 1.
Mac is scummy to me. Your questioning Shinki about the East when you line of reasoning was "Emp was scum from the east* so it deff looked like an attempt to stall/derail the Mac lynch. I called you on it. You then voted Mac with reasoning from pages ago that you supposedly already read.
For Empking I simply agreed with everyone and was, I admit, a little bit overwhelmed with the activity and not knowing anyone and was very busy so did not have time to analyze every post he made. I've been attempting to put my feet in the water more. However, the most obvious scum points I felt were already illustrated and didn't see any need to be redundant.
I didn't mention anything about Shinki's post on day 1 because I had not read through everything. I fully admit that. It was only after I went back that it made me question his town-ness
I stalled the vote on Mac. I 100% admit that. That is because I like having an idea of both sides before deciding who to vote for. Shinki was being rude and was telling MacDougall that she won't answer his questions, which I thought were valid, because she doesn't have to. I thought that was a stupid reason not to answer questions. Therefore, I thought if I added extra pressure for a response she would give one, and she did. I thought her response was townish and as a result backed off.
I don't buy it. Her response wasn't reciprocating to either of us at all, aside from saying "meh Wraith said we can't answer it" which wasn't explicitly true for the question I asked she more or less blew you off again and that makes her response townish and is enough for you to back off? I see it as more that you took the OPPORTUNITY to back off on something you thought was drawing you negative attention.
In post 1110, MattP wrote: In post 1108, Andrius wrote:Let's do this.
Proposed Alliance Voting Bloc:
AGar
Cookie
Andrius
Nero Cain
PeregrineV
kdowns
(vezok?)
First off,
Vote: MacDougall
Reason:
Callingvout Andrius with no reasoning, has been accused time and time again for being mafia, I already stated I think he is at the very least indie, so in any case it's worth the kill, since we're pretty down right now.
Second off, proposed alliance voting bloc? Waddya mean exactly?
So your case boils down to me calling out Andrius for no reason, yet in an earlier post you said that you voted for someone (Shinki) just to get her to respond to you. So you did the same thing as me, but I'm scum? Other than that, all you've got is that I've been accused time and time again... And this follows you changing a scum read on me, to a town one... You've flip flopped on me so much it's absurd. Look at Agar. Agar says I'm scum and sticks with it. He doesn't change his opinion to suit the game. You do. That's why you are scum and he is most likely not.
In post 1171, MattP wrote: In post 1165, MacDougall wrote:
MattP: At first, he seemed to be in a similar situation to mine, but I now realise he has literally gone the easy lynch every time. Has been on all the wagons and is just coasting. Somehow squirms off the hook when confronted. Probscum.
First off, I am pretty sure I was the first or second vote for Soda (not that that's a good thing, just saying I don't coast). Other votes I provided reasoning for.
Second,
Unvote: MacDougall
I think you saying you were VT was genuine. Pretty damn positive MacDougall is town.
Bogre, why are you so damn quiet all round may I ask?
O_o
So you defended me. Then you voted me. Then you defended me. Then you voted me. Here you are defending me again... And this time you are DAMN POSITIVE that I'm town... yet as we speak you are asking to be handed a hammer... Sure you're inclined to change reads, hell I do it, everyone does it (except Agar lol) but not to this extent and not for the reasons you say...
In post 1172, MattP wrote:Also, this is the first week since playing that I dont have anything to study for so I'll have oodles of time. I will get up an analysis of every remaining player this weekend (besides Andrius and MacDougall, since the thing that changed my opinion of MacDougall was one post I already showed, and I already explained my opinion on Andrius which has remained the same).
In post 1244, MattP wrote:After reading through I think that EC/MacDougall/Magua makes the most sense as scum, with Andrius, manho, Agar, Peregrine, Nero Cain being town. Kdowns and Vezok are OMGUS but town probably, Bogre needs to post more, can be scum or cannot be.
I will really try to get out the whys of all of these reads but I have to get up at 8 for class and it's already past 3. I'll try my best to get it done tomorrow. Already told you all I have a busy next two weeks. :/
With that being said,
Vote: Macdougall
Okay this is balls. Magua and EC short of some ridic gambit are not scumbuddies, so for us three to be on a team makes no sense and nobody who reads through is going to feel that way. The general consensus is that there is two scum teams but you are suggesting here that there is one and there are three players on it. Perhaps you know something we don't? The only thing that indicates that I'm on a team with either of them is that they are the two aggressively suggesting I'm town, but if either of them were on a team with me they would (and there can be no doubt) have bussed me days ago. I could be a rogue I suppose... but then Agar would be dead. Dead dead dead. There is no way known that if I had killing powers I wouldn't have removed him.
vote MattP
