In post 276, Apple Jack wrote:vote: SV
I dont like how you are playing. You just seem to be skating by not providing anything useful.
Plus you said u would post substance and have failed to deliver on that.
In post 259, Shattered Viewpoint wrote:Okay, I was ALL SET to vote hoopla, but she has to go and actually post REASONABLE CONTENT now. Hmpff.
In post 279, Rainbowdash wrote:Ok, im not going to lie here. A whole lot of my decision here comes from the composition of wagons.
Vote NG
Thing is to me, both him and SV are committing the exact same tell. I have taken large strides to defend GNR so far, and have managed to talk most of that wagon off him except FLP who I still think with a little more maneuvering, I can get over to my side as well. What I really dislike is that two more ponies have jumped the wagon while completely ignoring my defense on it. Ihatebeing ignored and if you think im noticeable now, you ponies aint seen nothing yet.
What makes the hop worse from these two is that they aren't actually doing anything to further the case, it more feels like they are just trying to keep the wagon alive at this point. I am getting my defense ignored and they are not actually giving any reasoning for their hops. With GNR-town, this is exactly the move I expect to come from scum, try and keep the mislynch that started up early alive.
Both NG and SV are going through the exact same motions at this point, but im going to follow along with the reasoning from Hoopla here for NG since she does raise a good point about the signal to noise ratio that they are cranking out. Not a whole lot has come from them, and some of their bigger talking points have little to do with the game, or at least nothing to do with scumhunting.
GNR wrote:I know he didn't read because as he votes, he thinks it puts me at L-2 which is like a netrual zone to join a wagon. In reality, it put me at L-1.
In post 281, NoodleGoomba wrote:I said my intent to vote GNR oncechecked in BEFORE your huge "defense" of him, so I don't see how you are lumping me with the people voting for him AFTER your defense. I told you I will read your defense when I get the chance, and I am sorry I spent all day out on the town with my brother so that this didn't happen today.Goomba
As for comparing us to SV, we RVSed, then changed out vote to the first wagon we liked and it has stayed there. According to what someone said earlier, SV voted for 4 people in 5 posts? I fail to see the comparison.
In post 48, Shattered Viewpoint wrote:Response to Charlie: Oh wow, you remember one of my popular catchphrases. What precisely are you looking for here? Brownie points? Buddying? Friendship? Marriage?
Vote: Charlie
As for the rest of you: I hate ponies. Deal with it.
In post 259, Shattered Viewpoint wrote:Okay, I was ALL SET to vote hoopla, but she has to go and actually post REASONABLE CONTENT now. Hmpff.
unvote
Vote: GNR
That should return him to L-2 status.
In post 238, NoodleGoomba wrote:Too lazy to check that meta right this second, but with links +farside+hoopla all voting him, And a promise to read the meta later, Count my vote as being on GNR, I just want to run it bybefore we vote or anything.Goomba
~Noodle
In post 286, Rainbowdash wrote:In post 281, NoodleGoomba wrote:I said my intent to vote GNR oncechecked in BEFORE your huge "defense" of him, so I don't see how you are lumping me with the people voting for him AFTER your defense. I told you I will read your defense when I get the chance, and I am sorry I spent all day out on the town with my brother so that this didn't happen today.Goomba
I am putting you with those who votedaftermy defense beacuse you voted himaftermy defense. Im assuming you saw my defense of him before you voted him, so why didn't you comment on it then?
In post 290, farside22 wrote:
What I would like from Noodle (no offense Goomba but Noodle articulates a bit better in my view).
To put together a list of whom they both find scummy and why in their next post.
In post 251, Rainbowdash wrote:In post 244, Hoopla wrote:But thinking about it, Collyer and whispersilk (two of the lurkers) look pretty town, wouldn't you agree? I actually don't think that takes too much away from the GNR wagon.
Sorta, they are null since I really have about nothing to go from on those two slots, nothing at all if you are going to go past page four or so. They are not scum reads, but you have to be kidding yourself if you are going to call either of those ponies town for doing nothing but just milling around.
If anything, the GNR wagon looks mostly town, and I'm decently confident the last two votes are town (I'm town, and I'm trusting farside at the moment) - there was a large gap in between the third and fourth vote, so the quick jump to L-1 would have been unpredictable if scum was distancing on buddy-Riggs. But I think that quick jump is innocent, so how can judge the whole wagon based on lurkers? I don't think that situation affected the base of the wagon (given Collyer is on it), so why would it affect it now? The only way it's a relevant point is if you believe farside and/or myself are scum.
Does this make sense? I think you're needlessly second-guessing yourself here, or rather, the reason that makes you wary about the wagon is bogus.
I can't ignore my gut here. There is just no resistance to the wagon, at all and that has me twitching all over the place. When the wagon is on a lurker type pony, and there are so many others that fall into the same category, I just cannot come to the conclusion that GNR is actually scum and we just got lucky or something. Im not going to call the wagon all town, im going to be surpirsed if its all town for what I just said. Not sure who the scum on it is, and when you consider that Collyer is a RVS vote, I really can see it being all town, thats not super relevant though. Big wagons like that are not all town, and especially are not all town on scum where there are so so many ponies that a wagon can be pushed to. Also if you think scum doesn't know how to push or at least encourage wagons without being an active participant in them, then I dont know how to explain that. Its not hard to move along a wagon without touching it by playing smart as scum.
Im not needlessly second guessing myself. It makes no sense for GNR to be scum just because of the dynamics of the game. No sense at all. This pattern of votes, picking out one pony from a group that a tell can be applied to, it all is something that reads as town about to get mislynched. Its going to be a mislynch, this is not how wagons on scum go down.
Getting this wagon torn down is something that needs to be done and im just the pony to do it.
@NG - How is it a bad thing that Hoopla is being "chummy" or anything like that?
@DH - So your read on whisper is going to be mostly based off the Hoopla flip or something?
In post 255, Rainbowdash wrote:@NG - If you are going to pull that right now you at least are going to tell me what part of my defense is wrong.
@FLP - What part of my GNR defense do you disagree with?
In post 258, Hoopla wrote:In post 254, fatlikepig wrote:Reasons, hoopla?
It's a gut-based read on the Noodle half of the hydra, mostly because it reminds me of how I used to play scum when I was new. I think when you're scum, you value your survival a lot more and play in a more calculating, limited way - I know as town when I was new, I was attracted to expansive, creative plays (even if they were frought with danger) and didn't think about consequences as much, but when I played scum, I'd for some reason limit this and overcompensate by ensuring I had a thought process that added up as a safety mechanism, when in reality as town, you're not really that consistent, because reads and thoughts ebb and flow. I think it's natural to become more logical as scum, because it's easy to weave pieces of logic together to concoct believable beliefs, than to just out and out lie.
And that's the impression I get from Maruchan. Some of his posts have a very mechanical, yet limited depth to them. It looks like he is just ticking boxes with his posts - "I should comment on this because this happened", "I should explain this piece of theory", "I should probably ask a couple of questions".
I suppose you're going to want examples of this behaviour, so I'll try and do that for you as well.
The first post that irks me is Noodles' large post on page 1 in the RVS. It's unnecessarily verbose given how little content is in the post. This is the beginnings of Noodles' construction of "content".
This post is my favourite example of what I'm talking about. There is a lot of filler, shallow questions and general theory musing interspersed between the "good stuff". It's difficult to explain why this post rubs me the wrong way, but I really don't think there is much beyond the cosmetic with any of his musings. His outburst at me for when I requested rainbow to make a vote seemed hyperbolic and his subsequent explanation for why he hated it didn't make it seem like his original outburst was appropriate - in the sense, if he hated my request so much, presumably he'd have a strong reason matching that level of vitriol.
It's hard to explain it any more than this, because I feel like I'm already simplifying my thoughts into words that don't fully contain the whole meaning, but read Noodles' posts. This is a request to everybody, not just you. Don't you think there is an air of phoniness about his posts? This isn't the Maruchan I know - he is too calculated, especially for who he is.
In post 259, Shattered Viewpoint wrote:Okay, I was ALL SET to vote hoopla, but she has to go and actually post REASONABLE CONTENT now. Hmpff.
unvote
Vote: GNR
That should return him to L-2 status.
In post 251, Rainbowdash wrote:I can't ignore my gut here. There is just no resistance to the wagon, at all and that has me twitching all over the place. When the wagon is on a lurker type pony, and there are so many others that fall into the same category, I just cannot come to the conclusion that GNR is actually scum and we just got lucky or something. Im not going to call the wagon all town, im going to be surpirsed if its all town for what I just said. Not sure who the scum on it is, and when you consider that Collyer is a RVS vote, I really can see it being all town, thats not super relevant though. Big wagons like that are not all town, and especially are not all town on scum where there are so so many ponies that a wagon can be pushed to. Also if you think scum doesn't know how to push or at least encourage wagons without being an active participant in them, then I dont know how to explain that. Its not hard to move along a wagon without touching it by playing smart as scum.
Im not needlessly second guessing myself. It makes no sense for GNR to be scum just because of the dynamics of the game. No sense at all. This pattern of votes, picking out one pony from a group that a tell can be applied to, it all is something that reads as town about to get mislynched. Its going to be a mislynch, this is not how wagons on scum go down.
In post 255, Rainbowdash wrote:@NG - If you are going to pull that right now you at least are going to tell me what part of my defense is wrong.
In post 258, Hoopla wrote:In post 254, fatlikepig wrote:Reasons, hoopla?
It's a gut-based read on the Noodle half of the hydra, mostly because it reminds me of how I used to play scum when I was new. I think when you're scum, you value your survival a lot more and play in a more calculating, limited way - I know as town when I was new, I was attracted to expansive, creative plays (even if they were frought with danger) and didn't think about consequences as much, but when I played scum, I'd for some reason limit this and overcompensate by ensuring I had a thought process that added up as a safety mechanism, when in reality as town, you're not really that consistent, because reads and thoughts ebb and flow. I think it's natural to become more logical as scum, because it's easy to weave pieces of logic together to concoct believable beliefs, than to just out and out lie.
And that's the impression I get from Maruchan. Some of his posts have a very mechanical, yet limited depth to them. It looks like he is just ticking boxes with his posts - "I should comment on this because this happened", "I should explain this piece of theory", "I should probably ask a couple of questions".
I suppose you're going to want examples of this behaviour, so I'll try and do that for you as well.
The first post that irks me is Noodles' large post on page 1 in the RVS. It's unnecessarily verbose given how little content is in the post. This is the beginnings of Noodles' construction of "content".
This post is my favourite example of what I'm talking about. There is a lot of filler, shallow questions and general theory musing interspersed between the "good stuff". It's difficult to explain why this post rubs me the wrong way, but I really don't think there is much beyond the cosmetic with any of his musings. His outburst at me for when I requested rainbow to make a vote seemed hyperbolic and his subsequent explanation for why he hated it didn't make it seem like his original outburst was appropriate - in the sense, if he hated my request so much, presumably he'd have a strong reason matching that level of vitriol.
It's hard to explain it any more than this, because I feel like I'm already simplifying my thoughts into words that don't fully contain the whole meaning, but read Noodles' posts. This is a request to everybody, not just you. Don't you think there is an air of phoniness about his posts? This isn't the Maruchan I know - he is too calculated, especially for who he is.
In post 259, Shattered Viewpoint wrote:Okay, I was ALL SET to vote hoopla, but she has to go and actually post REASONABLE CONTENT now. Hmpff.
unvote
Vote: GNR
That should return him to L-2 status.