Open 347: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[ScreamingHawk]

Fat is mafiosi.
I'll try and get round to iso'ing him on monday

I would also like to see this.

[Morthas]

Day 2 Votecount the Fifth

Amrun

- Fruit Basket, SleepyKrew, jerobbo

L-3

jerobbo

- ScreamingHawk, bvoigt L-4

fruit basket

- Amrun

fatlikepig

: - Twistedspoon, pidgey L-4

bvoigt

: - Quilford

Not Voting:

- fatlikepig, Equinox


With 11 Alive - 6 to lynch

Day 2 deadline: Sunday, 20th of November

[Amrun]

VOTE: Equinox

Quit stalling.

[jerobbo]

Yeah still waiting to hear Equi and Quil's thoughts..

[Twistedspoon]

not thinking equinox is scum this time amrun

that call for players to threaten to lynch him if he didn't pick up his pace was one of the towniest things that has happened all game

[Amrun]

I agreed to push Equinox to lynch if she procastinated.

This happened in the last White Flag, too, and we let her get away with it because we thought she was town.

She could be scum relying on that again. I don't think she is but it's possible.

Either way I want her help lynching fruit basket and if I don't kick her in the ass, that's not going to happen.

[Equinox]

Yeah, don't ever let me get away with procrastinating. I'm a terrible procrastinator.

And I'd totally say the same thing as scum.

Okay, so I'm tempted to just ask people for summarized cases so I don't have to go back and read. ...actually, just give me a summary anyway so I don't think to myself "43 pages nnnggghhhh" and justify wandering off to MD.

Question of the day: Why should Equinox join your wagon of choice? Go.

[Amrun]

You already expressed a scum read on Fruit Basket so I'm going to be lazy too.

[jerobbo]

Question of the day: Why should Equinox join your wagon of choice? Go.

Yeah, don't ever let me get away with procrastinating. I'm a terrible procrastinator.

Go read the thread

[Equinox]

Don't make me read the thread.

It makes scary faces when I look at it.

You already expressed a scum read on Fruit Basket so I'm going to be lazy too.

Nope.

[Twistedspoon]

sorry, I got a huge chemistry and economics thing to prepare for. I'm super busy atm but I'll try to get some thoughts down

Nobody Special

: Fruit Basket, ScreamingHawk, SleepyKrew, bvoigt, fatlikepig, Equinox,

Let's do this quick

here are the living lynchers of NS, A wagon so easy fro scum to ride on that it makes no sense to ignore it as everyone has done so so far.

Lynching a player off of the wagon today makes little sense when it is far more likely that we'll hit scum on the wagon

FB was on NS' wagon from the start so he wasn't exactly riding it for convenience. Furthermore there are signs that he was genuinely thinking NS was mafiosi.

i'd not have signed up if i knew this had 3 week deadlines

can we just fucking lynch NS this is stupid he's scum let's kill him

second line reads very genuine and very town, as if there is no possible alternative to him other than NS scum, something which scum cannot think

SH is obvtown (I said so before Equi too iirc!!)

SH is probably town actually.

ScreamingHawk is literally confirmed town now.

FB does make the point that SH is town quite often

any ways, I see that as town myself as delaring players town isn't a usual tactic for scum as it reduces their myslynch pool. Scum are usually relucatant to declare people town, rather remain only sightly town or slightly scum so as to jump on should a wagon emerge.
I haven't seen to much to persuade me of FB scum at all.

looking at Fat's and BV's isos I note that they have

No interactions

between each other. Good work at distancing guys. I'm considering you both for mafiosi

UNVOTE: Cross_Pollination
VOTE: Nobody Special

This is a good lynch.

is BV's first mention of NS. no reasons whatsoever as to why NS should be lynched. If that isn't a scummy entrance onto a wagon i don't know what is

That was a really weird hammer. J was definitely working against the NS wagon, and then she suddenly changes her mind?

Bvoigt, can you link me to some posts of yours which you feel is you providing good content? Who is your biggest scum-read? Second biggest?

Case on Cross_Pollination
Case on trekker
Case on Nobody Special

when J asked bv of his case on NS Bv did was link to a one-line post stating that he agreed with the other player's points of NS without outlining any reasons of his own. Not good and a fine way to ride a myslynch wagon unoticed.
Also gives BV a (weak) motive to dispose of J


I'm rather tired atm and will have to stop

lynch today should be fat or BV, and certainly no-one off of the wagon

[jerobbo]

I need 6 people to tell me they're going to lynch me unless I methodically run down all 39 pages of this thread by Friday evening PST.

Seriously. I'm running in circles at this point, and it looks like I'm going to be useless until I actually sit down and reread this thread in light of flip.

So somebody who knows Equinox, is it normal that he keeps making posts like this or what?

Cause right now it feels like you're trying to avoid attention by coasting along, going missing, coming back and not actually making any analysis? It's a bit annoying, to be quite honest.

You're either scum or completely useless to the Town..

Unvote, vote Equinox

[Amrun]

Yes. At the end of Day 1 when I FoSed you, I said to myself, "I'm voting Fruit Basket tomorrow because they're probably scum." When I saw the flip today, I changed my mind. I made it fairly obvious for what I was suspecting you, and nobody was really suspicious of you at the end of the Day. It'd have been simple enough to just shoot me dead and then talk yourself out of whoever brought up their concerns on Day 2.

Okay, so you sort of retracted it, but in a way that's silly. Maybe they didn't notice. Maybe FB argued vigorously for you to be dead, but their partners overruled. Maybe they didn't react to it with instant death like you thought they would.

FB has been pushing crap cases and undermining people's townreads. He's been using ad hom and intentionally distracting away from the points at hand.

You saw the scumminess yesterday, but today it goes out the window, just for this? I hadn't realized you seriously had FB for town after this. I totally disagree.


p-edit: jerobbo is also a pretty good wagon.

[jerobbo]

TS - I have also noticed bvoigt's flimsy reasoning for his votes (mainly as it was directed at me earlier).

I'll have another read on fat tonight but I'm not convinced - the no interaction thing is interesting too, one of my favourite things to look at how people interact with the different players and they fact they haven't spoken once in 43 pages is very interesting.

Anyway, we need to hear from Equinox and the other non-actives before anything can happen.

[jerobbo]

p-edit: jerobbo is also a pretty good wagon.

Cause I'm onto you and a NK would be too obvious so a mis-lynch suits you down to the ground??

You never suspected me until I called you out and you never suspected the guy I replaced either soooo that stinks a lot.

[Amrun]

Mod: Nobody Special hasn't posted in over a week. Can we prod/replace him, please?

p-edit: I never suspected you until you started pushing the stupidest case imaginable with a weird level of confidence and then CATEGORICALLY REFUSING to back up your reasoning. PS using associative tells without flips is retarded.

[fatlikepig]

VOTE: bvoigt

TS's case is a good one. As for the lack of interaction between myself and him, it wouldn't be the first time that two players haven't addressed each other for the whole game.

Also, NS is dead, Amrun. For someone defending him so much, I'd have expected you to realise.

[Amrun]

Also, NS is dead, Amrun. For someone defending him so much, I'd have expected you to realise.

I think almost everyone in this game is vying for a Darwin Award now.

[Equinox]

Part of the reason I'm stalling is that I'm busy during the day but can't stay awake long enough during the night to actually do anything significant, hence my stating that I'd replace out if I wasn't able to contribute soon. I find that asking people to pressure me helps sometimes, which was why I did that.

[Amrun]

Please don't replace out, Equinox. I'll go insane with this playerlist.

[Twistedspoon]

FB has been pushing crap cases and undermining people's townreads. He's been using ad hom and intentionally distracting away from the points at hand.

he's only pushed 2 wagons, yours and NS's

and others have pushed the same wagons

NS, quilford and SK have all contributed and provided logical fallacies to a greater extent too

Please don't replace out, Equinox. I'll go insane with this playerlist.

I'm not that bad am I?

VOTE: bvoigt

TS's case is a good one. As for the lack of interaction between myself and him, it wouldn't be the first time that two players haven't addressed each other for the whole game.

but you admit it's suspect that neither of you have even mentioned each other?

[Amrun]

I'm not that bad am I?

Others have pushed the same wagons, but in less scummy fashion.


You're not bad, no. But let's not lose the competent players we DO have. With just you and Equinox, I will hate this game.

I am usually good with newbies. I don't know why this game annoys me so much.

[Amrun]

Maybe it's because the level of play for my last White Flag was so very high.

[Amrun]

NS and SKrew don't make me angry, but they aren't posting, either.

[Twistedspoon]

I am usually good with newbies. I don't know why this game annoys me so much.

it's because everyone has completely different reads this game. No-one can agree on who to lynch

that and some posters hardly seem to have provided much at all, and it's the time of year where everyone's super busy don't help matters much here