Mini 1266 - My iTunes Mafia - GAME OVER

[DeasVail]

Unvote: Painted Face of Death
Vote: DeltaWave

Delta, as far as I see it, knowing what kinds of roles neighbours can have is not something that would impact on our ability to find scum and would actually be more useful to the mafia.

[Painted Face of Death]

Are neighbourhoods completely random? I mean, not just with the people in them, but also the roles?

How would the answer to this question benefit the town?

It's all up to the Mod. The Mod can assign them randomly or set them up however he/she wants.

It would benefit the town to know if, for instance, the Mod always made neighborhoods of all town, because then we'd know that the neighborhood was all town.

[Painted Face of Death]

neighbor isnt my role...

I am really confused now. Why did you say you were in a neighborhood with the others if you're not a neighbor? Or are you saying that you have an additional role as well as being a neighbor?

[don_johnson]

stop rolefishing. neighbors can have abilities in addition to being neighbors. i hav seen neighbor docs, neighbor cops, neighbor 1 shot vigs, etc. there is no reason to discuss roles. anything is possible as long as it fits into the mini-normal ruleset. the wiki used to state that neighbors were players with out of thread communication who didn't know each others alignments. that has been amended since the game i linked to earlier where we had scumneighbors. the possibilities are irrelevant at this time. what you should be addressing is the case on IS, or the case on DV, or the case on DW, or the case on sken, or the case DW claims exists on you but can't produce, or the case on slandaar, etc. at this point we are not really doing ourselves any favors by continuing with irrelevant conversations. deadline or no, we need to come a lynch consensus. once we have an L-1 and a roleclaim, then we can discuss roles etc. seriously, try and see this game from a replacements pov. if someone has to replce in to this game somewhere down the line, its going to be a daunting task. we have plenty of info to sift through. our priority now should be lynching. not being stupid and not being unable to understand the wiki or the rules of this game. this is not the newbie forum and i am not sure why they are letting new players into these games.

[Noramp]

anyone else think its odd that painted voted for me for supposedly claiming and is now trying to figure out my role? and i'm saying that neighbor isn't contingent on any role

[Painted Face of Death]

anyone else think its odd that painted voted for me for supposedly claiming and is now trying to figure out my role? and i'm saying that neighbor isn't contingent on any role

What do you mean, supposedly claiming? You claimed neighbor. Why is it supposedly?

Neighbor is a role, actually. Yes, it is true that you can have any other role in combination with being a neighbor.

[Noramp]

neighbor is a role but has no bearing on alignment so why would you vote me for telling you that we have a neighborhood. You then attempt to figure out if i have a role outside of vt. that is definition of rolefishing

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Painted

[DeasVail]

Noramp, what did you think of Skenvoy's question and Delta's response to my question?

Also, who do we have to decide between for the lynch?

[Painted Face of Death]

stop rolefishing. neighbors can have abilities in addition to being neighbors. i hav seen neighbor docs, neighbor cops, neighbor 1 shot vigs, etc. there is no reason to discuss roles. anything is possible as long as it fits into the mini-normal ruleset. the wiki used to state that neighbors were players with out of thread communication who didn't know each others alignments. that has been amended since the game i linked to earlier where we had scumneighbors. the possibilities are irrelevant at this time. what you should be addressing is the case on IS, or the case on DV, or the case on DW, or the case on sken, or the case DW claims exists on you but can't produce, or the case on slandaar, etc. at this point we are not really doing ourselves any favors by continuing with irrelevant conversations. deadline or no, we need to come a lynch consensus. once we have an L-1 and a roleclaim, then we can discuss roles etc. seriously, try and see this game from a replacements pov. if someone has to replce in to this game somewhere down the line, its going to be a daunting task. we have plenty of info to sift through. our priority now should be lynching. not being stupid and not being unable to understand the wiki or the rules of this game. this is not the newbie forum and i am not sure why they are letting new players into these games.

If you're trying to suggest that I don't understand the rules or the wiki, or that I'm a newbie or a new player, you are entirely mistaken.

And I'm sure you'd like me to focus on others, since you're scum. But right now Noramp and you are the people I'm focusing on. I agree that we should come to a lynch consensus and I suggest we put DJ, Noramp, or DV at L-1 since they are the top scum candidates in my view.

It is irrelevant that neighbors can have other roles; anything is possible. What is relevant now is Noramp's astoundingly bad move of claiming to be a neighbor, on day 1, with no votes on him. Then Noramp said he lied and he wasn't a neighbor. There is no reason to lie if you're town and one of those two must be a lie.

I'm in a neighborhood with IS and J. IS is acting way more scummy than J and correct me if I'm wrong but there's generally one scum in a neighborhood.

neighbor isnt my role...

Direct contradiction right there. Noramp also didn't bother to explain why he would do such a scummy thing.

[Painted Face of Death]

(Claiming on day 1 with no votes, that is)

[DeasVail]

ugh, what Noramp meant was that neighbour isn't a role. Noramp is just part of a neighbourhood. His role is something else (e.g. vanilla townie, doctor etc.)

[evilpacman18]

VC at some point tonight

[Painted Face of Death]

Of course Neighbor is a role. Check the Wiki page if you're not clear on this. How could it not be a role? It gives you the ability to talk to other people privately. Do you think Mason isn't a role either?

"Vanilla townie" generally means someone who has no special ability, so Noramp couldn't be a VT if he's telling the truth about being a Neighbor.

[DeasVail]

Of course Neighbor is a role. Check the Wiki page if you're not clear on this. How could it not be a role? It gives you the ability to talk to other people privately. Do you think Mason isn't a role either?

"Vanilla townie" generally means someone who has no special ability, so Noramp couldn't be a VT if he's telling the truth about being a Neighbor.

Well I don't know then, but IS can easily confirm or deny it.

[Painted Face of Death]

Mod

Fennin hasn't posted for 3 days 15 hours
[J] hasn't posted for 4 days 18 hours

[Noramp]

Neighbor is a secondary role

[Painted Face of Death]

Noramp, why did you claim? You realize town are generally not supposed to claim on Day 1 unless they're at L-1 (or there's some reason to claim like a massclaim or other strategy such as follow-the-cop)?

And what is a "secondary role"? I do not understand what you are trying to say. Neighbor isn't as powerful as some other roles, but it's still not something you want the scum to know if it turns out all 3 of you are town.

[don_johnson]

painted: exactly how much experience do you have? and is english your first language? you seem to be very slow on the uptake.

noramp: painted is playing like VI through and through most out of all of our candidates.

[DeasVail]

How can you tell between town VIs and scum VIs?

[Painted Face of Death]

DJ: enough; yes; incorrect.

Care to explain why you keep insulting me and what you think I'm doing that's so stupid?

[don_johnson]

you aren't really doing anything but asking questions that seem to be irrelevant to the matters at hand. in other words, you seem to be distracting from actual discussion. it was pretty obvious what noramp meant, and now you claim to understand exactly what he meant. so what is the issue?

why is it anti-town to out a "neighborhood"?

is it "scummy"? if so, what is the scum advantage to scumnoramp outing the neighborhood? it just doesn't make any sense. noramp is obviously most likely to be town of all the neighbors. the only downside i see is if scum knows the neighborhood is town and they can try to play the angle of "one neighbor must be scum" and try to lynch the neighborhood. problem with that is only if town is stupid enough to follow that lead. are you that stupid? is that why it worries you?


sorry for the insults, but your playstyle is incredibly annoying. what do you think of the case on IS and his COMPLETE AND TOTAL LACK OF RESPONSE TO IT.

[DeasVail]

DJ, I don't actually know what the case on IS is, other than something to do with not playing like town.

Also, you're missing something. If Noramp is scum, the advantage to claiming is looking more town (to you anyway).

[Painted Face of Death]

To further my case against DJ and noramp:

stop rolefishing.

1. Note how DJ misrepresents me as "rolefishing," and portrays this as being a bad thing. Obviously it's a good thing to rolefish for scum roles. Note that noramp had just claimed neighbor, then nonsensically said it wasn't his role, so asking WTF he meant by that -- whether he was also claiming he had another role, or he was just lying -- was the obvious question.

Clearly, it's bad for town to claim without a good reason -- in fact, this is why I originally voted for noramp! I am trying to figure out who noramp is and why he acted so strangely, of course, but I don't want anyone who is town to claim a role (without a good reason).

So DJ jumps in and scummily defends noramp here. Noramp then returns the favor:

anyone else think its odd that painted voted for me for supposedly claiming and is now trying to figure out my role? and i'm saying that neighbor isn't contingent on any role

Here he jumps on the "OMG Painted is trying to figure out who noramp is! He must be scum" wagon, following DJ.

And why would that be odd? Obviously, we don't want townies with roles to claim, but once someone does, then we want to figure out what's up.

neighbor is a role but has no bearing on alignment so why would you vote me for telling you that we have a neighborhood. You then attempt to figure out if i have a role outside of vt. that is definition of rolefishing

a) Yes, neighbors can be scum, so that's why I voted you for doing something scummy. Town have no reason to reveal the neighborhood to scum now.

b) Well, you claimed neighbor, then implied you had another role, so I'm trying to figure out what is going on here. Again, noramp argues the spurious "rolefishing" accusation.

(2) neighbors can have abilities in addition to being neighbors.
[/quote="DJ"]

Well, yes, of course they can. That doesn't mean that they should claim as neighbors. Again, DJ tries to spin this as though this has anything to do with the case on noramp: that's not what's up for debate.

(3) the possibilities are irrelevant at this time. what you should be addressing is the case on IS, or the case on DV, or the case on DW, or the case on sken, or the case DW claims exists on you but can't produce, or the case on slandaar, etc. at this point we are not really doing ourselves any favors by continuing with irrelevant conversations.

Since noramp did something really scummy, and this conversation is about noramp, it's kind of odd to call it an irrelevant conversation... unless you're scum.

(4) not being stupid and not being unable to understand the wiki or the rules of this game.

Again, more insults from DJ rather than addressing the point. This came out of nowhere: unless DJ actually thinks I misstated a rule and wants to correct it, what is the point of this except just to hurl abuse at his attacker?

[Skenvoy]

I was asking not what roles are usually neighbours, but if neighbours are randomised between roles. I guess, what I'm saying is that if the latter is true, then Noramp's claim doesn't help us any more than say...going

Original Roll String: 3d13

3 13-Sided Dice: (3, 1, 4) = 8

[Skenvoy]

And saying that it's therefore likely that there's one scum among Oasis (1), IS (3) and Guttersnipe (4), so everyone should vote for who they find scummiest in that bunch.