Final Fantasy 6 Mafia - Game Over

[Iecerint]

@ TE -- Why do you think Kise is more likely to be scum than Zeek?

[Timeater]

148 and 149 are linked

joking about it was the only way to recover from the slip. meta kise, he scumderps all the time. that + all of hid other garbage posts

parama -may- be linked but not obviously

kise is the lynch for today. we get more out of it than zeek.

[Iecerint]

1. If Kise legitimately slipped, Parama is necessarily his scumfriend, unless it was an intentional "slip" intended to implicate Parama after his own flip.

2.

They could just as well be mason partners

, though I suppose Parama's ruled out that possibility by now.

OK, I'll follow.

UNVOTE: Zeek
VOTE: Kise

[Parama]

So 1 is saying that I'm confirmed scum if Kise is scum, except not really because he could be WIFOMing
^this is WIFOM
Also why would Kise slip
He didn't slip
He was scum before that
Iece you're smarter than this
^second time this game I said this to you, something's wrong. Hmm.

[Timeater]

perhaps ^

kise still needs to die

dont fight it

[MacDougall]

MacDougall your contributions thus far are astounding, keep up the good work.

Lol I know right, but seriously this game started the morning of my birthday which I then spent the following two days in a beach side paradise and went deep sea fishing and shit. No time for Mafia!

Kise is in a neighbourhood I am also in fwiw. That doesn't necessarily mean that he is town as it was stated in the PM that neighborhoods have nothing to do with alignment. In the neighborhood chat he was jokingly posting under the alias "faketell" and said that he was scum and to reveal ourselves so he could kill us. A clever piece of reverse psychology or the overt town actions of a vanilla townie?

[Parama]

xD

Kise is so much fun. I'd feel bad lynching him day 1. Even though my wincon required him to die. Oh well :<

[theamatuer]

So wait.
If Kise is Edgar, then you are Sabin?

[Timeater]

is it just you and kise?

[Timeater]

*puts on thinking cap*

[redFF]

wait why did you claim your neighborhood? -_-

[Iecerint]

So 1 is saying that I'm confirmed scum if Kise is scum, except not really because he could be WIFOMing
^this is WIFOM

I do not follow your implicit objection...?

It's a response to TE's assertion that Kise's "slipped" (necessarily implying an error) and your not necessarily being scum. If Kise legitimately slipped by misposting somehow (unlikely IMPO), you are definitely scum. I am pointing out both that TE's thinking is in error on two counts: 1) IF (KiseScum), KiseScumErred and 2) IF (KiseScumErred), [ParamaAlignmentUNKNOWN].

Also why would Kise slip
He didn't slip

I don't think that's the likelier case, either.

He was scum before that
Iece you're smarter than this
^second time this game I said this to you, something's wrong. Hmm.

I'm assuming that you're referring back to your earlier comment that the like/agree wiggling implicated Kise, right?

My interpretation was that Kise liked the post for what it said about Timeater. Specifically, it showed that Timeater was following up on suspicions and putting effort into the game. But it's possible to recognize and highlight that something reflects well on a player's alignment while still not endorsing the conclusions or ideas that that player comes up with.

Kise didn't come up with this when he finally elaborated that he was alluding to facebook-liking, though. Facebook likes sort of functionally ARE a form of endorsement of ideas. If anything, his explanation just emphasized why the original point was scrutinized.

[Iecerint]

He probably claimed the neighborhood because Kise did obnoxious/suspicious things there that he thought were relevant to our interests.

[MacDougall]

So wait.
If Kise is Edgar, then you are Sabin?

No, I am Cid, but understand that I know nothing of FF6.

is it just you and kise?

No, but I won't reveal any others in case they don't want me to. Suffice to say that I feel no reason to hide the neighborhood for my own reasons, and revealing that Kise is in one just before it appears he is going to be lynched seems fair to me.

wait why did you claim your neighborhood? -_-

I honestly don't see the need to hide it? I thought it was a good idea to at least let everyone know that Kise is in one and give you all the knowledge on him I have that you don't. It's interesting to note that the (at least one) other player that is in the neighborhood has clearly chosen not to reveal that, and I find that at least a little strange, but in honesty I felt that Kise's behaviour in the neighborhood was rather town, and didn't feel threatened by him at all. He revealed his identity in the chat after the other player said that "it's scummy to hide your identity in here", I followed suit when I returned. Up until that point we had all hidden our identities at least at some point.

If Kise is lynched and flips scum I would say that the other player is a confirmed town due to the fact that they very obviously had no idea that it was Kise in there imo.

[MacDougall]

REDACTED AND PENDING MOD ACTION

[Iecerint]

^^;

[SomeRandomGuy]

A quick check in - it's been a hectic weekend, was out since friday night and didn't get chance to read here - will be reading through in an hour or so and will post thoughts.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I am opening back up the thread. Post 214 directly broke rule A6. I am currently seeking to discuss with Kdub what actions we feel are appropriate. Day continues.

[MacDougall]

Apologies, it wasn't an intentional rule break. Pays to read the rules thoroughly.

[MacDougall]

Apologies to Kise as well as he was the one most affected by it.

[NexusWave]

amatuer and timeater are you really that stupid?

I think redFF is scum.

vote: redFF

Need to talk to DeltaWave about his views too. Also need to get an avatar.

~Nexus

Delta - I support this vote on redFF, particularly because of the circumstances surrounding his "random vote" and the subsequent discussion.

also hi parama <3

[theamatuer]

If MacDougall is Cid, then the QT is most likely the Empire, so Kise is Ghestalt.
That's probably scum for me.

[Kise]

FOS Iece

. You're not this easy to convince, and you're using Parama and others to take the blame for why you're voting me. And you already know there's no slip, but good job on acting oblivious to it and lending blind trust to TE.

Time, we've played together?

I'm not king Edgar. Stop fishing, Feysal.

I'm not Ghestalt. Stop being an amateur.

[Iecerint]

Imperial QT was my first guess, too. I sent a QT to MoI about it. Cr.

@ Kise -- Please clarify what you mean by "using others to take the blame" for voting you.

[Parama]

REDACTED AND PENDING MOD ACTION

Goddammit newbies

Pays to read the rules thoroughly.

At least it was a learning experience!
Wow you guys really did use that avatar? I put it out as a joke but okay
Wow now I'm agreeing with Kise on Iece. Yeah guys anyone who knows anything about flavor - can ya tell me how likely it is we have two scumteams solely on a flavor basis?