Mini 1281: Walrus Mafia (Game Over)
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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Rainbowdash Mafia Scum
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If you can get me a decent sized sample I will look at this more. Head cold is really bugging me right now though, not about to go slogging through a bunch of games. Also make sure he didnt replace into games you are pulling from, 1219 I know he replaced into because I was in that one.You don't earnloyaltyin a day. You earn it day by day-
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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I've sort of changed how I play as town. I used to assume scum would be smart and willy enough not to commit anti-town actions, and would avoid actively committing them. (this seems to be site meta) That wasn't working so well. I've seen a greater correlation with someone flipping scum if they are playing in a manner I determine is anti-town. I think scum believe town won't figure this out.
So I call it like I see it. I think no lynching is more likely to come from scum than town. You voted no lynch. I acted accordingly. It was nothing against you personally. I'm not going to be brushed off because you may have this meta or that meta in previous game (and the meta in this case did nothing to disuade my suspicion)-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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Hoopla
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In post 44, Magister Ludi wrote:I attribute negative and positive consequences directly to the player in question.
This is stupid. If the person cannot feasibly predict the negative or positive consequences of his actions, then it isn't his fault for the action.
I notice a rope lying in the grass of a park. I haven't saved a life by picking it up as if I hadn't a person with extreme depression comes along and sees it as a sign to end their life. I conversely haven't killed them by leaving the rope there. There is no reasonable belief to extrapolate those outcomes from something so innocuous.
What I'm trying to say is, there is no way Elli was predicting what would happen by voting - you're implying he was setting up a rebound vote which was baseless speculation. I can make baseless speculation too: Elli was voting no-lynch to get the other townies to debate. See, it doesn't work, does it?
It doesn't work because Elli didn't think at all about what he was doing, ergo you cannot hold him responsible for the consequences.-
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Rainbowdash Mafia Scum
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In post 58, Magister Ludi wrote:Rainbow, you asked for some evidence, I provided it, now its not good enough? Can you explain what exactly were you looking for?
Clean list or something like that.You don't earnloyaltyin a day. You earn it day by day-
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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5 games as scum
5 games as town
therefore I'm scum
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
So you inherently think that no lynch, selfvoting, whatever random shit early game, comes from game. Ok. fine. i think that's silly but whatever
But now you're just ignoring evidence that I do it as much as town.
and sticking to your dogma about how you think scum on the site act.
When it's the sort of scenario that deals with THE INDIVIDUAL's way of thinking toward whatever.FLASH OF GREEN-
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... +#p3520225 <- Ongoing, Flipped town
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... +#p2708008 <- Town
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... +#p2701418 <- Town
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3243656 <- Town
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3294425 <- Town
You seem to have the scumgames
you're turnFLASH OF GREEN-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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No it doesn't. Lets use your rope example. You pick up a rope and hang someone. Kill them. This is all negative. Now just by chance, Bill Gates is walking by, gets inspiration from the hanging scene, and invents a teleportation device. (who knows why he got inspiration, he just did) Just because another person caused something positive from the action of hanging someone doesn't mean I am attributing positive to you at all.
Your action was only detrimental, it was just by chance there was a net positive attached to it.
What I'm saying is, voting no lynch to me is scummy. Had nothing else happened, the pristine unblemished scum tell would still exist on Elli's record in this game. It is all negative. Yet, someone comes along, me, you, joe blow, whoever,and turns it into a positive (if we are assuming the subsequent discussion is positive) Attributing this positive externality to ellibereth is illogical.-
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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Hoopla
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In post 63, Magister Ludi wrote:No it doesn't. Lets use your rope example. You pick up a rope and hang someone. Kill them. This is all negative. Now just by chance, Bill Gates is walking by, gets inspiration from the hanging scene, and invents a teleportation device. (who knows why he got inspiration, he just did) Just because another person caused something positive from the action of hanging someone doesn't mean I am attributing positive to you at all.
Your action was only detrimental, it was just by chance there was a net positive attached to it.
In my example, I left the rope in the grass, walked away, and someone else came along and killed themself with it. It was by chance it had a net negative attached to it too. This is what I'm saying.
Elli's no-lynch vote by chance had net positive outcome from it. You say it had a net negative outcome from it, but that would also be by chance.
Unless you want to prove in Elli's scum no-lynch games he used it to the advantage you're claiming he was using it for.-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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I'm not ignoring evidence, Elli, I already acknowledged that that particular point is weakened by the fact you do it as town. If you still do it a greater percentage of time as scum, like 3/4, 75% vs 5/massive town database, then it conceivably still exists. If you only did it as town, a la the pooky promise (metagame breaking essentially) you would have a point. But you don't seem to, and to characterize me as ignoring your town no lynch votes in the past is not true.
You're telling me, also, that voting on what I think is scummy and anti-town is silly? I don't believe that.-
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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Ok, hoopla. If the rope was additionally extra negative, that is even worse. What I am saying is that the initial action was rotten. Negative. By itself, pristine, without being birthed into this blender of a game. Anything else is incidental. I found the initial no lynch worthy of a vote. Just because 'good' has come from it means nothing, just as if 'bad' comes from a 'good' action. The initial good action is not blemished.
I am not saying it has net negative. I am saying the originating action(s) was negative.-
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Ellibereth Deus ex Machina
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That you're trying to make something like this a "general scumtell" is already silly.
Since your NEGATIVE'S for it make no sense.
But again
this is the type of thing that isn't general but individualized.
and to use it on an individual when there's clear examples of them applying equally as both alignments
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Rainbowdash Mafia Scum
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