NY 150: Mob Money Mafia GAME OVER

[Bunnylover]

Ebwop:
Not sure why it wasn't posted, but on Pine first quote I meant to put:

The only problem with scum doing that is not everyone believe in the Town v Scum neighbor in this situation, I think only 1 or 2 people agree with it. Therefore all they will gain is killing that person, the situation on the other person won't change.

[kondi2424]

Actually, VOTE: Pine, because HIS reasoning for BB attacking is crap. Specifically here:

^Priceless.

"BL wasn't covering for me!" "Here are two things that BL said which are perfect for my defense..."

[Pine]

You serious? In literally the exact same post, BB both denied that BL was providing him a defense, then used two points from BL's posts to defend himself. Kondi, you seriously need to stop refilling your prescription for moron pills.

[kondi2424]

BL trying to cover for his mate just makes it clearer.

What BL said is not "covering for me,"

it's completely true and what I've been saying

.

From what I read, it was because this isn't his town play, but

no one yet to explain the difference between his town and scum play.

This is a

fact

.

BB wasn't here when the other thread was up,

so what is scummy about asking Nacho to explain his town read on Pine?

This is a

fact

.

He's saying they're facts and just repeating what he's been saying, not covering.

How did you know I was still hooked on those? Have you been stealing from my stash?

[chkflip]

I'll bite.

UNVOTE: BBmolla
VOTE: Pine

Pinescum > BBscum, imo.

[Twistedspoon]

I'll bite.

UNVOTE: BBmolla
VOTE: Pine

Pinescum > BBscum, imo.

hm?

you have never stated any suspicion of pine before, only BB, so if you could tell me what makes pine so lynch-worthy that'd be nice.

I mean this goes against a good deal of your posts

My scum reads are simple: BB, Gant, and Lowell.

I firmly believe Gant's flip will tell us the most here because of his obvious connections with Lowell and Spoon. I don't think Spoon is scum, but if Gant were to flip scum? Not so sure about it then. Spoon (and others, I think) are right about Lowell's ISO though; I still don't fucking like it, it's scummy as hell to lurk out that long but that's all I personally have against him. Maybe he's super busy or something. Much like half of the rest of this game. But that's why my vote went BBmolla => Lowell => Gant. My stronger scum-read is molla but that's not happening today.

can you tell em why pine is suddenly so suspect to you?
ty

[projectmatt]

I didn't notice this started again.

Content soon.

[mcqueen]

I'll bite.

UNVOTE: BBmolla
VOTE: Pine

Pinescum > BBscum, imo.

hm?

you have never stated any suspicion of pine before, only BB, so if you could tell me what makes pine so lynch-worthy that'd be nice.

I mean this goes against a good deal of your posts

My scum reads are simple: BB, Gant, and Lowell.

I firmly believe Gant's flip will tell us the most here because of his obvious connections with Lowell and Spoon. I don't think Spoon is scum, but if Gant were to flip scum? Not so sure about it then. Spoon (and others, I think) are right about Lowell's ISO though; I still don't fucking like it, it's scummy as hell to lurk out that long but that's all I personally have against him. Maybe he's super busy or something. Much like half of the rest of this game. But that's why my vote went BBmolla => Lowell => Gant. My stronger scum-read is molla but that's not happening today.

can you tell em why pine is suddenly so suspect to you?
ty

Maybe it's because I legitimately called Pine out for something he should have easily noticed himself.

[Twistedspoon]

Maybe...

It's just that all of Chkflip's suspects so far have flipped town (except for Bb who i think will not) and I have a feeling pine will do likewise.
I'd just like to hear justification behind his vote today. I let him play the sheep card yesterday. I was hoping he wouldn't play it twice in a row

I still think pine is town ftr. Most of it stems from the previous thread where he offered himself for the lynch assuming Bl would go down too. That made me feel he was adamant BL was mafiosi and it certainly seemed to risky a move for scum and genuine on top of that.

[mcqueen]

What if it was a planned gambit? That way, they could mislynch Bunnylover, and free up the nightkill for someone else. Which, in this case, they got really lucky, and had a claimed cop to kill.

[mastin2]

Dang it, TS, BL, and BB! (To varying degrees.)

I want you guys to be town, but you're making it incredibly difficult to beleive with your incredibly scummy interactions with one another. >_<

[Twistedspoon]

What if it was a planned gambit? That way, they could mislynch Bunnylover, and free up the nightkill for someone else. Which, in this case, they got really lucky, and had a claimed cop to kill.

Pine had no reason to gambit so early on. Would he risk everything so early?
BL wasn't lynched and DG hadn't claimed at the time. Hardly a gambit in that event anyways

[mcqueen]

What if it was a planned gambit? That way, they could mislynch Bunnylover, and free up the nightkill for someone else. Which, in this case, they got really lucky, and had a claimed cop to kill.

Pine had no reason to gambit so early on. Would he risk everything so early?
BL wasn't lynched and DG hadn't claimed at the time. Hardly a gambit in that event anyways

I think that they were

trying

to get Bunnylover lynched, yet they phailed, and they

would have

(and still did) freed up the nightkill for someone else, . Which happened to be a claimed cop, in which they got very lucky to have on Day 1 (from a Mafia point of view).

And yes, I actually do think Pine would take this gambit, this early on.

[Twistedspoon]

fair enough.

In my humble opinion I find it incredibly town, but I can't say any more than I've already said to persuade you, and I respect your opinion.

[T-Bone]

Vote Count
BBmolla - 4 (Nacho, Twistedspoon, Mastin, Pine)
Nacho - 2 (BBmolla, SlySly)
Pine - 3 (Mcqueen, Kondi, Chkflip)

Not Voting - Projectmatt, Pizzadudes7, Kise, Andycyca, Bunnylover

With 15 Alive, it takes 8 to Lynch

Deadline is Sunday April 8th, 11:59pm EST

V/LA - Chkflip 4/7, mastin - bad weather, someone else?

[Oversoul]

BBmolla and SlySly, why are you voting Nacho?

And

mod, apparently I don't exist? I'm not on your vote count.

[SlySly]

SlySly, why are you voting Nacho?

VOTE: Nacho

Entered game as a replacement. Immediately soft claimed as being a mason with Mastin. Had a lengthy discussion with me about how masons can't be scum in a normal game. After thread disappeared, retracted soft claim.

[mcqueen]

SlySly, why are you voting Nacho?

VOTE: Nacho

Entered game as a replacement. Immediately soft claimed as being a mason with Mastin. Had a lengthy discussion with me about how masons can't be scum in a normal game. After thread disappeared, retracted soft claim.

Vote Pine.

[chkflip]

Modskee: I'll just be l/a on the dates provided, I can probably post enough to not be prodded but I'll keep the v/la active for worst case scenario.

Twistedspoon, are you joking? I can't form a new scum-read? You're classier than that, stop acting so damn scummy right now.

[SlySly]

Vote Pine.

At this point, if I were to vote one of the neighbors, it would be bunny.

[mcqueen]

Vote Pine.

At this point, if I were to vote one of the neighbors, it would be bunny.

Too bad, yo. Vote Pine. Pine is far scummy than Bunnylover.

[Pine]

SlySly, why are you voting Nacho?

VOTE: Nacho

Entered game as a replacement. Immediately soft claimed as being a mason with Mastin. Had a lengthy discussion with me about how masons can't be scum in a normal game. After thread disappeared, retracted soft claim.

This is still just as bad and untrue as the last time you posted it.

[Kise]

MOD: Not v/la but you know I'll be busy modding a game elsewhere. Limited activity.

I'll be reading in the morning.

[Andycyca]

I'm a little drunk right now, so I won't give much content.

i do have some things that irk me right now:

1. how fast the BBM wagon was formed, taken to L-2 without claim (based on different playstyles?)
2. A new wagon on Pine ofrming out of... something I haven't seen yet

I've seen some of you discussing what would scum do in N1 given a cop claim and a neighbor pair. Yes, if there's a claimed cop and a claimed neighbor, scum would be stupid *not* to go after the cop (as we've seen). We now have confirmed that Damon was a cop, but in a hypothetical scenario we could've known that later in the game with a claim and some investigation results. *However* I have no proof of why we should discuss a neighbor pair in a closed setup. IIRC, they can't provide us with any pre-mortem (soft) proof of their role and discussing it can easily lead to WIFOM, scum's greatest tool.

Instead, I proppose we should judge them by their actions and not by their re/actions under a "neighbor lens".

I'll be able to answer questions tomorrow morning... I hope

[SlySly]

This is still just as bad and untrue as the last time you posted it.

You're welcome to your opinion of bad, but it is true nonetheless.