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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:22 am

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In post 298, MagnaofIllusion wrote:

And I have my doubts about the viability of a 4 personal Mafia team without a Serial Killer set-up wise anyway. 4 / 18 is below the general 25% threshold that balance generally indicates. It's possible if the scum team is a bit power-heavy given the flips we have seen from Town (in which case a Roleblocker for scum is pretty much required for balance reasons).


None of this matters. In a 13-player mini, the standard 3-person scumteam is below the 25% threshold too.

Plus, if anything, a SK would actually weaken the mafia because it opens up the possibility of crosskills.

I feel like you should know better...and that you probably do. While I'm fine lynching red or DV (NS I'm a little less sure about, his flip-flop on me is too careless to come from him--I've gotten a decent look at his scumgame in a couple of games, and scumHim is usually more deliberate, whereas I've seen townNS be careless), this post reminded me that my vote is still where it should be.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:23 am

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Also, V/LA Thursday through Sunday.


That be Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, and Easter Sunday. Super busy time in my line of work.
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:27 am

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MOI post made it in before I phone posted my last post. Looks like my 5 scumteam question to MOI was addressed. Still...can you clarify what you think the current set up is? Do you think we are in a 4 mafia + 1 sk game, a 4 mafia and no sk game, or a 5 mafia and no sk game?
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:37 am

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In post 300, DarthYoshi wrote:None of this matters. In a 13-player mini, the standard 3-person scumteam is below the 25% threshold too.
Plus, if anything, a SK would actually weaken the mafia because it opens up the possibility of crosskills.I feel like you should know better...and that you probably do. While I'm fine lynching red or DV (NS I'm a little less sure about, his flip-flop on me is too careless to come from him--I've gotten a decent look at his scumgame in a couple of games, and scumHim is usually more deliberate, whereas I've seen townNS be careless), this post reminded me that my vote is still where it should be.


None of this matter? No, not at all. It goes to the heart of your crediblity. Your sole basis for your Day 2 posts where you kept saying "It's 4 scum" was your 'knowledge' that there was a Serial Killer. Now that you have gone to the "Oops, my role is a Red Herring" well I would think Town would have discarded the absolute stance of "Only 4 scum" to consider other possibilities. But nope - you haven't. I'm back to my point from Day 2 ... you inadvertantly gave out your inside knowledge about the scum-team size.

So 3-13 is under the 25% barrier. True. As you SHOULD know smaller games (aka Minis) are shorter given the lesser number of players and thus there is less room for error. In Large game (like this) the days tend to last much longer so scum strength needs to be adjusted as such.

For you to suggest I'm scum for 'knowing better' when you are using an Apples to Oranges comparision is totes funny. It's flailing and it's hilarious.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:36 am

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6th vote count of day 5:


redff - 3 (havingfitz, Snakeplissken, Jon_h61)
DarthYoshi - 2 (DeasVail, Nobody Special)
Nobody Special - 2 (redFF, Alicewondering)
Snakeplissken - 1 (MagnaofIllusion)
MagnaofIllusion - 1 (DarthYoshi)

Not Voting: (Ghostlin)

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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:33 am

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DY, havingfitz, Snake's slot, Jon

Can you all please change your votes?
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:53 am

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In post 305, DeasVail wrote:DY, havingfitz, Snake's slot, Jon

Can you all please change your votes?


Who on earth asks this of someone they claim is scum? This isn't:

"DY's MOI vote is scummy," it's,

"Hey, DY, please change your vote."

Doesn't one sound like something you'd say to town much more often than scum?

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(FTR, I'll vote redFF, but MOI is still scummier and we're still over a week to deadline. If nothing shifts in a few days, I'll switch from MOI to red.)

MOI wrote:None of this matter? No, not at all. It goes to the heart of your crediblity. Your sole basis for your Day 2 posts where you kept saying "It's 4 scum" was your 'knowledge' that there was a Serial Killer. Now that you have gone to the "Oops, my role is a Red Herring" well I would think Town would have discarded the absolute stance of "Only 4 scum" to consider other possibilities. But nope - you haven't. I'm back to my point from Day 2 ... you inadvertantly gave out your inside knowledge about the scum-team size.

So 3-13 is under the 25% barrier. True. As you SHOULD know smaller games (aka Minis) are shorter given the lesser number of players and thus there is less room for error. In Large game (like this) the days tend to last much longer so scum strength needs to be adjusted as such.

For you to suggest I'm scum for 'knowing better' when you are using an Apples to Oranges comparision is totes funny. It's flailing and it's hilarious.


That first part is overly reductive and a misrep and you know it. I dare you to find ANY time I take the "absolute" stance of there being only 4 scum ever since I began saying my role was a red herring (basically, at the start of this new, post-crash thread). I say in my #146 that it is way more likely than a 14:3:1 setup, and I agree with Alice in my #157 that 14:4 is the most likely setup. Neither stances could remotely be construed as absolute.

What evidence is there that large games have "much" longer days than 13-player minis? I think you're just making this up.

If I really were flailing scum, you'd be voting me right now because Snake is getting replaced, nobody else is voting him, and I'm one of only three viable wagons right now. Get real.
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:19 pm

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Do you think your MoI vote is scummy?
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:32 am

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Zzzzzzzzzzzz....

Also, DV...your posts make no sense toady. Are you trying for that effect?
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:45 am

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Magua replaces Ghostlin

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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:57 am

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O HAI GUIZ

So, who wants to tell me what happened that got eaten by the Tiger Incursion? Single-file line, please.
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:00 am

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mass claim, 2 scum lynched, fbi agent while there's only been one kill a night are the big parts.
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:57 am

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Who's the FBI Agent, and what did Ghostlin claim?
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:02 am

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Darthyoshi is the fbi agent. I dunno, what did Ghostlin claim?
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:07 am

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DarthYoshi is town.

I need to know what my predecessor claimed so I can make sure my fakeclaim matches it. You see the dilemma I'm in.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:12 am

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You also claimed FBI Agent Magua ... see our dilemma?
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:14 am

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That's how I know DarthYoshi is town. FBI Agents always work as a team.
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:15 am

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When did Darth claim FBI Agent? What Day?
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:17 am

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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:18 am

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So Day 2 doesn't make it town.

But.

18 players, 2 PRs is way too low.

Yoshi has to be town, unless someone didn't claim.
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:20 am

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Upon reflection, why the fuck was there a massclaim on D2?
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:33 am

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In post 310, Magua wrote:O HAI GUIZ

So, who wants to tell me what happened that got eaten by the Tiger Incursion? Single-file line, please.


Here's the run-down

Day 1 was long and ugly. Jason-scum claimed Watcher at like L-4. It ended when Red Coyote explodified himself via Modkill.

Day 2 Darth claimed FBI Agent after he was under pressure. Alice claimed Tracker who tracked Jason to himself. Palisade got wagonned for terrible reasons and eventually was hung.

Day 3 muffin drove a mass-claim based on his Vanilla Cop role. He caught IAI-scum fake-claiming Vanilla. Claims that came out of this for those still living (or already made)

Alice - Tracker
Darth - FBI Agent
Me - 2 Shot Doctor
redFF - Bodyguard
You - Neighborizor which Kamrun confirmed was true.
Everyone else - VT

IAI self-hammered and wrote a long piece of WIFOM appealing to the "other killing faction" or some such stuff and offering to work their kills together. Yup, only 1 kill per Night still stands. redFF was supposed to Bodygard muffin but got Jailkept and thus muffin died.

That's a short, short summary of what you missed in the Tiger Attack.
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:26 am

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Do I have all this right:

- Muffin was a cop who could return Vanilla (VT/Goon) vs non-Vanilla results

- Kamrun claimed D3 during the mass claim

- Muffin was killed in preference to Kamrun N3

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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:27 am

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In post 322, Magua wrote:- Muffin was a cop who could return Vanilla (VT/Goon) vs non-Vanilla results


No, muffin returned Vanilla Town / Not results. IAI was a Goon who muffin got a "Not Vanilla" result on.
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:46 am

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Even better.

So IAI would've been N1 or N2. Did Muffin say what his other result was?

VTs, then, would be: havingfitz, Jon_h61, Snakeplissken, DeasVail, Nobody Special

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