Mini 1316 - Last Will Mafia IV (Over)

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

Lastsurvivor (6) - nachomamma8, 4nxi3ty, DCLXVI, Macrophage, Alicewondering, kortul
Macrophage (4) - Voidedmafia, Debonair Danny DiPietro, rhinox, hiplop
Debonair Danny DiPietro (3) - Sleepless Assassin, fishythefish, Lastsurvivor

With 13 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is April 9th, 7PM PST

[Lastsurvivor]

Rhinox: Macro prob isn't scum. Lynch either DDD or I today. I'd prefer DDD, obviously, but I think my lynch is inevitable at this point.

[Nachomamma8]

Can we go back to lynch macro actually?

I mean, I feel pretty good about Nacho and DC but I'm just not convinced about LS as scum. DDD would be my second choice - I get his meta is same as town and scum but I don't think his play here matches closely with either of the town or scum games posted as meta evidence.

Theres been a lot of "would scum really do that?" defenses being thrown around - would scum just really give up like LS and asked to be hammered?

Um, yes?
Not any time at all until deadline, probably gonna get lynched anyway. No reason to give more information than he has to, but no reason to self-hammer on the off-chance we fuck up and no lynch.

[Nachomamma8]

but anyways, we have about 4 hours now until deadline.
we need a hammer.

[hiplop]

VOTE: lastsurvivor

Cant touch dis

[Lastsurvivor]

Yeah I'm still a VT.

[Nachomamma8]

post lynch thoughts? who's scum on your wagon? who isn't?

[Lastsurvivor]

DCL's the only one I definitely think is scum. I repeat:

Make sure you keep DCL accountable to his crappy case.

Kortul's probably the second most scummiest. But I'm not sure if he's scum.

The rest of you except 4n are prob town. none of you are getting my vote though because you MLed a townie, thus you can't be trusted with it.

(Hopefully the person I gave my vote to can)

Voided's actions were sticking out to me in the end. Watch him closely.

[Lastsurvivor]

Kortul has always been largely null. But his case against me is largely misreps. Posts 565/560 are Macro's "survivalism" point, and I was explaining that I largely misinterpreted them. They weren't really why I unvoted him other than the fact that I dropped a point. But Kortul is saying otherwise...

Also, I don't understand how DDD is an easier target than Macro. I could have stayed on Macro and potentially got a lynch on him. But I didn't and got a lynch on myself. But Kortul's misinterpreting this point and trying to make it into a scummy one.

That said, DCL's case is still a lot worst. You guys should lynch him or DDD tomorrow.

[Lastsurvivor]

Also, the reason I said "except 4n" is because he's null. His case was pretty bad, but not bad enough for me to look at it and say "scum!"

Also, question: Have you guys ever seen scum that posts at the least almost 2x more than everyone else? Yeah, sure, I've seen active scum, but come on. Why would I have any encouragement to post at least 2x more than everyone else?

Sigh. It's too late for that now.

[Rhinox]

Rhinox: Macro prob isn't scum. Lynch either DDD or I today. I'd prefer DDD, obviously, but I think my lynch is inevitable at this point.

Also, question: Have you guys ever seen scum that posts at the least almost 2x more than everyone else? Yeah, sure, I've seen active scum, but come on. Why would I have any encouragement to post at least 2x more than everyone else?

Sigh. It's too late for that now.

yes!!! :shrug:

[Lastsurvivor]

yes!!! :shrug:

Holy mother sweet jesus

[Lastsurvivor]

Although that is a newbie...so maybe he was just on that mafia kick and didn't think of the consequences.

*shrug*

[Nachomamma8]

also, Faraday.

[Lastsurvivor]

Yeah but I'm definitely not Faraday.

I'll retract my point.

[Alicewondering]

:\ LS, I don't think that DCL's case on you was bad. It was reasonable actually. Why is Kortul the second scummiest?

[Lastsurvivor]

If I have time, I'll write up why DCL's post was bad. But I already explained why kortul was bad.

[LlamaFluff]

End of Day Vote Count

Lastsurvivor (7) - nachomamma8, 4nxi3ty, DCLXVI, Macrophage, Alicewondering, kortul, hiplop
Macrophage (3) - Voidedmafia, Debonair Danny DiPietro, rhinox
Debonair Danny DiPietro (3) - Sleepless Assassin, fishythefish, Lastsurvivor

[LlamaFluff]

Lastsurvivor - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day One

His vote passes to

nachomamma8

fishythefish, who now has two votes.

*Note I have fixed who received control of Lastsurvivor's vote

Deadline for night one actions is April 12th, 6PM PST

[LlamaFluff]

nachomamma8 - Vanilla Townie - Died Night One

His votes pass to rhinox who now has two votes

With 13 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline for day two is May 3rd, 6PM PST

[Voidedmafia]

Makes me trust a little more in a Rhinox townread, that does.

I really don't know what to think of Kortul and DCL. Their cases on LS were crappy as hell (and DCL's felt like he was just rehashing old points), but I've felt that Kortul has been town for most of the game and DCL somewhat saved funky's slot. If you really pressed me, i'd say they're null-town and null, respectively, but beyond that I can't really tell you anything.

Still feel confident in my Macro-scum read.

Vote: Macrophage

[hiplop]

VOTE: macro

[Macrophage]

Hiplop, can you just say why you think I'm scum?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

From scum to town:

Macrophage: Amished tell ho, from theomoaner. Die scum die? Yeah that.

Rhinox: Still dislike his “ooh good question” towards LS after I asked who was last on everyone’s will and he hedges hard in his answers after that. How did I miss that he accused me of being a lyncher in #257? Besides being wrong, it’s just a bizarre move and not a “only town would do something that strange” move. And I still don’t like Rhinox’ accusations of hiplop around #266 especially the way he overstates how hiplop was sure of things when hiplop doesn’t even come close to that level of conviction in his words.

Alice: Post #95 is pretty damn bad in my opinion; she nitpicks about RVS votes and claims Malee was fabricating a case on Nacho based around Nacho’s nonexistent vote but that almost never happens because it’s so easily refuted; odds are good that Malee was legitimately confused.

Sleepless Assassain: Wasn’t paying attention in #36 to realize I had just answered the very question he had asked. And uses, “lol, reaction fishing” as an explanation in #188 which is something I hate.

Hiplop: His vote on SA in 105 doesn’t seem to square with the fact that SA has presented about his situation and why SA doesn’t make bigger posts. Slips from my radar during the back half of the day.

DCLXVI: Funkybike was sub-useless; DCLXVI is clearly not but #518 is very clearly IIoA. His bold prediction in #533 is pretty funny now.

Kortul: Don’t care for the discussion of how much information one can get from a lynch relative to other as a deciding factor in regards to who to lynch though.

Fishy: It’s kind of funny that he says, “Yeah, I realise that me not having a meta on you is pretty unimpressive. I tend to assume that people I've played with a lot are a bit better than they are.” Because if I didn’t know Fishy’s meta I’d feel the same way about him; just way under impressed from him but considering I saw the same thing from him in the Scummies Winvitatonal (I think) he’s very null.

Anxiety: Don’t really care for his “discussion topic” in #222; very generic and seems like its more say something than say something useful.

Voided: Thank goodness he replaced Vincent, I had absolutely no points about Vincent written down because he was a complete nonentity. And I stand by my town read in #376, seemed much more interested in truth than the fact that my vote helped him. Still don’t care for the discussion of how much information one can get from a lynch relative to other as a deciding factor in regards to who to lynch though.

~~

Top two are a cut above in my book: middle is a complete morass and mostly and sadly interchangeable at this moment, Voided is my only good town read.

VOTE: Macrophage

[Rhinox]

End of Day vote count with my townreads in light green:

End of Day Vote Count

Lastsurvivor

(7) -

nachomamma8

, 4nxi3ty,

DCLXVI

, Macrophage,

Alicewondering

,

kortul

, hiplop
Macrophage (3) - Voidedmafia, Debonair Danny DiPietro,

rhinox

Debonair Danny DiPietro (3) - Sleepless Assassin,

fishythefish

,

Lastsurvivor

My current thinking is DDD-scum. That makes SA and voided lean-town, and likely 2 of {4nxi3ty, Macro, hiplop} scum - probably 4nx and 1 of the other 2. SA's vote doesn't feel like a bus. He made comments at the end of the day about not liking either of Macro/LS wagons, while voting DDD. Voided/DDD, eh possible, but I think DDD's recent post points to no. DDD find reasons to call everyone scummy BUT voided. If DDD is scum, thats a pretty good sign voided is town. I don't think hiplop/macro are scum together, so that would make 4nx scum by POE. One of Macro/hiplop as the last scum? I'm not confident here. I could possibly see myself having a bad read on like kortul, or mayyyybe fishy.

If DDD is not scum, then all that is obv thrown out the window.


I don't intend to lynch macro today. Nacho thought the lynch was stupid. LS in his dying breath said not to lynch macro. Two conf-towns not liking the lynch is good enough for me to leave it alone for now. After all the talk of everyone wanting to sheep nacho yesterday, no way scum kills him unless he's actually leading the herd in the right direction.

@nacho giving me his vote, I wonder if he just has a town read and trusts me to make good decisions, or if I was picked specifically because of who I was likely to vote with it (i.e. if LS flipping town caused nacho to change his mind about macro, and thought I'd use the vote to lynch macro) - eh I'm probably reading too much into it. I'll never understand why in all these last will games I end up clueless on who is scum but ppl send me votes anyways

Vote (x2): DDD