NY 150: Mob Money Mafia GAME OVER

[Oversoul]

Why do you think Andy needs to be looked at?

His actions look like posturing.

More on this later

Although I think something is going on between a few players and I'm keeping an eye open...

NS)TST>AS

^ for future reference

[Twistedspoon]

Could you tell us why you think Andy is a miller? Where were you at the end of day 2?

I don't want to talk about it until my question to him is first answered.

End of D2? I was busy over Easter. I apologise greatly and recognise it has hurt my read but there is little I can do about it now and accept it as fair.

(more later tonight)

[Nachomamma8]

Give me an hour or two.

An hour or two or twelve?
I'm not going to answer your question if you string me along like this; I'll just make you die.

Could you please explain the BL and Andy town?

BL is town because of Sly's survival-fueled jump on him, which was his only break from tunneling me. If both wagons were on scum, then Bunny would be the more important to keep alive, and thus Sly would not switch.
If Sly didn't know the scumteam, the fact that BL ended up being the counterwagon to Sly still makes Bunny most likely town. If Bunny were scum and Sly was a scum-fueled counterwagon, than there should have been a lot more scum in the middle of the wagon.
I will answer your andy question later, though. There are things from him I am interested in seeing.

@mastin: No, you are not confirmed by that. Sly was a Traitor, so he might not have known the scumteam.

What is the point of a traitor rolecop that can't find scum?
If he could find scum, and he claimed mastin was vanilla, that either 1) sets up a 1v1 between him and a scumbuddy, or 2) fucks up any fakeclaims mastin was planning in the future. That doesn't make any sense at all, coming from a traitor perspective.

First thing's first; why do you feel BB-town?

End of day play yesterday.

Third, that is assuming that I, as Mafia, knew Sly was a Traitor and tried to save him when I had been pushing on him earlier. We don't know if the Mafia knew about Sly. Are Traitors usually outed to their Mafia group?

Or that you didn't even care about getting him lynched even though you pushed on him earlier.

If we are playing the game of PoE, I would rather go with Chk then BBM. BBM I haven't seen or been convinced that he is scum.

Please read things a bit more closely.

Could you tell us why you think Andy is a miller? Where were you at the end of day 2?

I don't want to talk about it until my question to him is first answered.

End of D2? I was busy over Easter. I apologise greatly and recognise it has hurt my read but there is little I can do about it now and accept it as fair.

(more later tonight)

Don't care about apologies. Post something.

[Andycyca]

First point: My annoyance was specifically with the third question. You asked him to consider that Damon might be town, but you

didn't

ask of Sly the same.
Second point: Okay
Third point: As I had said at the top of the post, I was pointing out what I saw as I read through the game.

First point: I didn't ask Sly the same because at that time I didn't think I could extract any information from him

Okay. One thing first. This needs getting off of my chest.

Andy, are you a Miller?

Nope. VT

[Twistedspoon]

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Okay. One thing first. This needs getting off of my chest.

Andy, are you a Miller?

Nope. VT[/quote]

I didn't ask fro a fullclaim >_>

so there's absolutely no reason why you'd investigate to get a guilty?

Don't care about apologies. Post something.

what else do you want to know?

[Nachomamma8]

so there's absolutely no reason why you'd investigate to get a guilty?

Nope, he claimed VT. Are you reaching a conclusion with this, or...?

[knox]

Don't care about apologies. Post something.

what else do you want to know?

You said you would post your analysis on the game, do you have one now? Also why did you ask andy if he was a miller?

[Twistedspoon]

Also why did you ask andy if he was a miller?

All in due time~ (and in all honesty not too long. Probably my next couple of posts when I can bring it in.)

Analysis? I'll iso a few people and put up some reads tonight. Or at least i'll start it tonight. If it snowballs then it might be tomorrow

[Twistedspoon]

So I asked Andy if he was a Miller. Why? I recalled the tactic from a a game which I played last May about a year ago when Faraday tried a similar gambit here and here

Of course in that game Faraday wasn't a cop and nor am I in this game (which should be obvious from the DG flip). However that's the appeal of the gambit I wanted to try. Basically if a scum gets a guilty claimed on them then they have little they can do; they can either get lynched or claim miller and at least hope to delay their lynch. If I ask someone directly if they're a miller then as scum they would be quite cautious as they'd know they'd investigate as a guilty from a cop investigation so would have to claim miller were a guilty found on them. Of course it's a bluff though. If you can get a scum to claim miller without actually knowing he's a miller then the bluff is followed through and it's quite likely that a mafiosi is caught.
However the gambit is weak in this game because a cop already flipped. it'd have been easy to see through the bluff. Still, I wanted to try it as it's something which I fondly recalled from that prior game and never had the chance to do it and catch a scum yet.
Of course that doesn't mean I find Andy suspect . Far from it

@mod: OP needs updating

[Oversoul]

In lieu of Twisted's revelation, Nacho, why did you come to Andy's defense so quickly?

[Andycyca]

I didn't ask fro a fullclaim >_>

so there's absolutely no reason why you'd investigate to get a guilty?

I know you didn't, but I wanted to prevent further questioning about it since my time (in Meatworld) is short right now

NS)TST>AS

^ for future reference

Is this some kind of code?

[knox]

So I asked Andy if he was a Miller. Why? I recalled the tactic from a a game which I played last May about a year ago when Faraday tried a similar gambit here and here

Of course in that game Faraday wasn't a cop and nor am I in this game (which should be obvious from the DG flip). However that's the appeal of the gambit I wanted to try. Basically if a scum gets a guilty claimed on them then they have little they can do; they can either get lynched or claim miller and at least hope to delay their lynch. If I ask someone directly if they're a miller then as scum they would be quite cautious as they'd know they'd investigate as a guilty from a cop investigation so would have to claim miller were a guilty found on them. Of course it's a bluff though. If you can get a scum to claim miller without actually knowing he's a miller then the bluff is followed through and it's quite likely that a mafiosi is caught.
However the gambit is weak in this game because a cop already flipped. it'd have been easy to see through the bluff. Still, I wanted to try it as it's something which I fondly recalled from that prior game and never had the chance to do it and catch a scum yet.
Of course that doesn't mean I find Andy suspect . Far from it

@mod: OP needs updating

Why andy?

[Twistedspoon]

So I asked Andy if he was a Miller. Why? I recalled the tactic from a a game which I played last May about a year ago when Faraday tried a similar gambit here and here

Of course in that game Faraday wasn't a cop and nor am I in this game (which should be obvious from the DG flip). However that's the appeal of the gambit I wanted to try. Basically if a scum gets a guilty claimed on them then they have little they can do; they can either get lynched or claim miller and at least hope to delay their lynch. If I ask someone directly if they're a miller then as scum they would be quite cautious as they'd know they'd investigate as a guilty from a cop investigation so would have to claim miller were a guilty found on them. Of course it's a bluff though. If you can get a scum to claim miller without actually knowing he's a miller then the bluff is followed through and it's quite likely that a mafiosi is caught.
However the gambit is weak in this game because a cop already flipped. it'd have been easy to see through the bluff. Still, I wanted to try it as it's something which I fondly recalled from that prior game and never had the chance to do it and catch a scum yet.
Of course that doesn't mean I find Andy suspect . Far from it

@mod: OP needs updating

Why andy?

why not?

It really didn't matter who, I just wanted to try out an old gambit I'd seen before and never got around to using.

[Kise]

Coming to read this when I wake up

[T-Bone]

Vote Count

Knox - 2 (Mastin, Nacho)
Bunnylover - 1 (Twistedspoon)
BBMolla - 2 (Pine, Kondi)
Chkflip - 1 (Bunnylover)
Oversoul - 1 (Knox)

Not Voting - Projectmatt, Kise, Oversoul, BBmolla, Andycyca, Chkflip

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

Deadline is Friday April 27th, 11:59pm EST


OP Updated

[Pine]

So yeah. BB lynch. Go.

BL or Chkflip also accepted.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Pine

You're still scum and BL still seems town.

[Pine]

[BBmolla]

Would you like to hear it again, I can try to use more explosions.

[Pine]

BL seems townier than Pine imo. I don't understand why people think Pine is town because "BL is scum" when BL seems town to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pine

I prefer this over BL lynch.

We have four days folks, we need to figure out who we're lynching so we can deal with claiming.

Actually, I'd love that. Why am I scum, BB? I just read your entire ISO, and couldn't find a single reason you've posted, discounting your rant post-crash about how I didn't post at all on D1.

[projectmatt]

Sorry

Life, it sucks

I'll give you a post tonight - I pinky promise

but my period button broke off the keyboard so it won't have proper grammar

[projectmatt]

Sorry

Life, it sucks

I'll give you a post tonight - I pinky promise

but my period button broke off the keyboard so it won't have proper grammar

[Pine]

669 looks a little confusing. It was in response to 668. The quoted posts are by far the closest to an actual reason BB's given, his attack on me looks entirely contrived.

[Oversoul]

prodge, posting later tonight

[Nachomamma8]

In lieu of Twisted's revelation, Nacho, why did you come to Andy's defense so quickly?

Why are you asking me this? I only came in when TS started to string the gambit along and it was painfully obvious that nothing was happening.

Unvote, Vote: BBMolla