NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[Macros]

I was thinking more pine for his l-1 vote but we'll have to see tomorrow

[Antihero]

redff is prob scum

[DeasVail]

This is why I hate this. The wait is so annoying.

[Nero Cain]

it'll be atleast a day or 2 until PV flips him. In the meantime we can scumhunt moar.

[Junpei]

Key note: Mastin isn't scumhunting and has not made his post because he is finding it difficult to manufacture reads.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll post tomorrow. Too Tired.

[mastin2]

There won't be a tomorrow, LLD; the bastards just lynched rack by my count.

Now KK's response was scumtastic, and so was this sudden rush of votes. It's possible that it's a single scumteam, but I was actually rushing home since I realized while driving "crud, this is probably multiscum". I'll see what I can do before the day ends.

[mastin2]

First off, why I suddenly think this game is multiscum.
-24-player games with a single scumteam are incredibly rare. The last time I remember being in one, in fact, was Mortal Kombat, which was meant to LOOK like two scumteams. So, number of players in the game.
-Related, ideal balance suggests a single scumteam would be six players. However, when was the last time you saw a six-man scumteam? I quite frankly don't think I've seen one in a long time. And even then, probably a theme. (Again, might be Mortal Kombat. Or maybe Stars Aligned. Games that old.) Six scum is almost universally the realm of multiscum.
-The even number of players suggests a certain kind of symmetry to be present. 24 works out better than 25 or 23 for two scumteams.
-The town seems to be quick to bandwagon, as shown by the rack lynch when we have nearly two weeks 'til deadline. rack's not the only wagon to have gotten a lot of support, either.
-The way everyone seems to be behaving seems...different...to me. Like it's somehow off. That things aren't the way they should be if this game were single-faction.
-Related, my inability to scumhunt effectively. That itself might not seem much to you, but as Khan said, most of my scumhunting works by interactions: and if the scum are legitimately scumhunting, it makes it incredibly difficult for me to catch them, basically making any time I DO catch one a lucky shot in the dark.

It's not enough to have me firmly convinced, but it's enough that the possibility came to mind, and it does change how I go about the game. I'll double-check things after posting this, though.

[Junpei]

For the record: Mastin is a solid scum read for me.

[mastin2]

rack (13)- Benmage, The Mini-Librarian, Firestarter, Kublai Khan, Lady Lambdadelta, drmyshotgun, Maxous, GreyICE,

Antihero

, Nero Cain, FakeGod, Junpei, Pine, Antihero

Yeah, this is the official lynch. Add in Ninja's slot, Psyche's slot, and DV as former/former/potential members of the wagon, you get a grand total of 16 players here.

Now once more, Khan's reaction was super-scummy, and Junpei's jump on while accusing me was also super-scummy. He knew that by voting rack, he was at risk of ending the day, and yet he wanted more content from me, someone he suspected, he wants to push me yet votes rack, he wants me to be scum, yet he pushed rack instead...

Antihero's switch off looks like a quick attempt at towncred; his hammer looks horribad. Pine's place on the wagon is even worse. This makes me think Antihero, Pine, Khan, and Junpei are all good picks for scum, with probably two more off the wagon.

[redFF]

will be voting antihero tomorrow

[mastin2]

Pine (3) - scooby, vijay2vasandani, mastin2
Macros(3) - Pine, rack, DeasVail
Firestarter (2) - Code_X, redFF
Benmage (2) - HezLucky, Macros
Nero Cain (1)- drmyshottyizsik
redFF (1) - Junpei
Not Voting (1)- Psyche

These are the names off the wagon at the last votecount. Pine's joined the wagon since then, as has Junpei. CodeX was a former member of the wagon, via predecessor Ninja. Psyche's slot was also a former member of the wagon. DV had shown interest. I'm inclined to think at least one of these three are scum, but probably not two of them. (I'm not *that* good of a scumhunter, and the rack wagon isn't *that* scumdriven. )

That leaves {shotty, Hez, Macross, redFF, vijay, scooby} as containing one scum.

I have no clue who it'd be. And if the game IS multiscum, I have no clue what the teams would be at this point.

[mastin2]

That said, I'm kinda thinking that if Antihero were scum, that it might be single-faction, since if it were multiscum, unvoting then hammer-voting with such a flimsy excuse would be suicide, as redFF's natural reaction shows.

(Speaking of which, he's confirmed town, so can be crossed off from the list.)

If I had to guess who the sixth scum would be out of the names left...well, Hez wouldn't be my best bet, Macross wouldn't be scum with Antihero or Pine (though KK or Junpei might be possible), as mentioned not redFF, leaving the most likely as {shotty, vijay, scooby}. Of those three, I'm not sure. I HAD a townread on shotty via him being attacked, but in multiscum, that just means that his buddies aren't attacking him. (Will have to check who did attack him.) I had a townread on vijay ONLY due to my scumread on Ninja (which has faded), again useless if multiscum. I kinda sorta think he's town, though. I also had a townread on scooby via KK's attack on him, but will need to look at things again.

[mastin2]

And again, a reminder that the lynch went through despite my specific request not to, as I needed time to work on the post.

Of course, since I began thinking it was multiscum, I'd need to modify it, to account for both possibilities--what the scumteams would be if multiscum, and what the scumteam would be if not multiscum. But still, the post wasn't even close to complete, and now I won't get the chance to. I'm flying by pure instinct right now, basically, by speedreading and giving first thoughts on things. I don't have time to use the quicktopic, as if I do, the thread might be locked by the time I'm finished.

[Nero Cain]

mage already told us there were two teams of 4.

[Antihero]

will be voting antihero tomorrow

Reminder: this is the guy who called me annoying. For posting reads.

[Junpei]

Mastin, I wanted rack to be lynched. When I voted I voted with the anticipation of him being hammered soon enough. I think you are scum as well, but I think rack is scum thus I wam okay with this lynch.

The fact that Mastin can spam information with little connection but not post reads (at least the ones he has done so far?) is further evidence he is scum.

[drmyshotgun]

Guess we'll never get to see Head B this time.

[mastin2]

I'll take my best shot at things.

1. Psyche <--Minor suspect, but gut right now says town.
2. Kublai Khan <--Major, MAJOR suspect; his reaction reeks of knowing rack was town.
3. scooby <--Probably town; look at his refusal to get on rack and pushing of Pine.
4. FakeGod jasonT1981 <--Probably town, by virtue of there being no way the rack wagon is THAT scumdriven.
5. Firestarter <--Probably town, by the same logic above.
6. The Mini-Librarian <--Same thing.
7. rack <--Confirmed town.
8. DeasVail <--Major suspect, especially with regards to consistently looking like he was on the edge of voting rack, but never following through.
9. Macros <--Not scum with the people attacking him, which if memory serves include Pine and Antihero. Oh, and DV as well. Still could be scum in a KK-Junpei scumteam, though.
10. Code_X NihilisticNinja <--Minor suspect due to Ninja's play.
11. Benmage <--Probably town via the rack wagon not being THAT scumdriven.
12. Pine <--Scum. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get enough on why before we go into night, but I'll try.
13. drmyshottyizsik <--Minor suspect. He's in the suspect pool with vijay and scooby, but I still need to check who was willing to wagon him.
14. HezLucky <--Probably town; just overall gut feeling.
15. drmyshotgun <--Town via claim, and via being on the rack wagon.
16. Nero Cain <--Town via interactions, and being on the rack wagon.
17. redFF <--Confirmed town.
18. Antihero Candy Corn Vampire <--Scum, especially if this game's single-faction. Words kinda escaping me, but I'll do what I can.
20. Lady Lambdadelta <--Town via the rack wagon.
21. Junpei <--Scum. See also, his push against me while voting rack and putting rack within lynch range, despite my request against doing so and his interest in me providing more content. (That last one's the biggy.)
22. Maxous <--Probably town due to the rack wagon, though he's of minor interest still.
23. vijay2vasandani <--Minor suspect, in the pool with scooby and shotty. Gut seems to recall liking something he's been saying recently, so maybe town.
24. GreyICE Praetyre <--Town due to the rack wagon.

Of course this is far from a complete list of reasons, but it gives a good start.

[Antihero]

Don't really care about that either. It's probably katsuki.

Also don't care about mastin's "analysis." He's had plenty of time to do it and he hasn't. Post it tomorrow.

[Antihero]

^that was response to shotty 2

[rack]

I will be flipping town, so my post previous to this one and this post should be referred to in later days.

I hadn't even thought about this being multiball. If it is, that certainly does explain some of the activity.

mastin and I were on opposing scumteams here. But I still maintain that mastin is town this game.

Please look very closely at LLD, KK, and Pine, who are (collectively) absolutely scum. AH is quite probably scum (with Pine, I think).

Junpei is slightly-less-than-scum; if memory serves, he is usually this antagonistic, but his playstyle always rubs me the wrong way, so taking away that personal bias, he's closer to null.


That's about all I have. Go town!

[mastin2]

Boiled down:

1. Psyche <--Minor suspect, but gut right now says town.
2. Kublai Khan <--Major, MAJOR suspect; his reaction reeks of knowing rack was town.
8. DeasVail <--Major suspect, especially with regards to consistently looking like he was on the edge of voting rack, but never following through.
9. Macros <--Only possible scum in a KK-Junpei scumteam.
10. Code_X NihilisticNinja <--Minor suspect due to Ninja's play.
12. Pine <--Scum. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get enough on why before we go into night, but I'll try.
13. drmyshottyizsik <--Minor suspect. He's in the suspect pool with vijay, but I still need to check who was willing to wagon him.
18. Antihero Candy Corn Vampire <--Scum, especially if this game's single-faction. Words kinda escaping me, but I'll do what I can.
21. Junpei <--Scum. See also, his push against me while voting rack and putting rack within lynch range, despite my request against doing so and his interest in me providing more content. (That last one's the biggy.)
23. vijay2vasandani <--Minor suspect, in the pool with scooby and shotty. Gut seems to recall liking something he's been saying recently, so maybe town.

Ten potential names. Khan, Junpei, Antihero, and Pine are figures of major suspicion. I'll see if I can eliminate a few of the minor suspects.

[drmyshotgun]

@Rack, Head A, yeah?

[redFF]

will be voting antihero tomorrow

Reminder: this is the guy who called me annoying. For posting reads.

erm, posting reads and posting the same fucking list with no explanation six times are not the same. Nice misrep scum, you die tomorrow.