Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[Furcolow]

im liking kanye a lot

[Vi]

Not to mention I've already pointed out that Quilford has replaced out as scummy Town as well.

do you have a link to this? i doubt it will do much to change my read on the slot but ill look at it.

Right here. Quilford does a great job of ruining my day by

not

playing games with me.

just ISOed parma to see his posts from that post till now - they were only one-liners-style posts, nothing serious. so I didn't miss anything~

I would definitely say you missed something.

I'm pretty sure I don't see what kanye is getting at here.

[Furcolow]

unvote

[Zar]

I'm not quite sure what the second part of this accusation is, except wildly overblown.
TBH "wildly overblown" kind of sums up my opinion of all things UberNinja.

I don't see how this alleged voting alliance can work effectively when we don't even have anything certain to narrow our suspect pool with. If this alliance is scum-driven, then they would protect each other as to not be among the lynch candidates, while still giving the false illusion of public consensus.

[Vi]

I don't see how this alleged voting alliance can work effectively

when we don't even have anything certain to narrow our suspect pool with

.

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If this alliance is scum-driven, then they would protect each other as to not be among the lynch candidates, while still giving the false illusion of public consensus.

How many times have you seen this done?

[Zar]

I'm not in the wagon because I don't really get where the hell all the quilford hate comes from. @Kanye: How exactly do you find that quilford's D1 joke votes are damning evidence?

i never said i was voting him for joke votes. dont know where you got that impression.

This is the post where you gave the reasons to why you thought quilford/elmo was scum:

want more reasons why i think quilford slot is scum? here you go:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

^^ Is basically a link to the entire ISOs of both players, which includes quilford's joke votes. Since you said it was damning evidence, I was wondering what you were including into this criteria.

the initial vote was off him waffling hard as fuck on parama and trying to set up shit on yos/nuwen. since that, his reactions have been to try and act ragey and indignant at the votes on him (hes not good at this) and then he replaced out in a fashion similar to the way he did it as scum in a game both yos and i played with him before. all of that is more than enough for me to want him lynched.

being pissed and asking for a replacement isnt a scumtell, except for when that player has acted the same way before and it bears striking resemblance to their scumplay.

I don't really see how is introductory vote is waffling. It just feels like an inside joke. I can understand the concept of scum being able to stage anger, but I don't see scum-intent in wanting to extend the day phase to increase discussion.

and elmo has been scummy as fuck since he got back. he tried to play nice with me when he first replaced in and distance himself from quilford. when that failed he omgus'd and has done absolutely nothing of value since. my vote is not moving until elmo is lynched. hes caught fucking scum and im not letting him get away sorry!

Does this mean you won't switch your vote even if the Elmo wagon were not viable?

[Zar]

I don't see how this alleged voting alliance can work effectively

when we don't even have anything certain to narrow our suspect pool with

.

<image macro with the word "wat" goes here>

Most of Day One is for information gathering, IMO. We could have a good case, only if the scum is godawful playing.

If this alliance is scum-driven, then they would protect each other as to not be among the lynch candidates, while still giving the false illusion of public consensus.

How many times have you seen this done?

I've seen this in a Game where the Traitor managed to be named King by a Kingmaker. The Traitor narrowed the lynch candidates to four scummy town players, and let the town basically tear each other apart to take the scum to victory. I've also seen this in a game where another Traitor managed to save one of the Goons by discrediting the people on the wagon.

[kanyeknowsbest]

@zar obvious hyperbole.

also i was referring to the reasoning for my initial vote, not his initial vote. and you dont see the scum intent behind someone not opposing a lynch and standing to the sidelines hoping for the vote to go through? i dont believe that.

[Zar]

@zar obvious hyperbole.
and you dont see the scum intent behind someone not opposing a lynch and standing to the sidelines hoping for the vote to go through? i dont believe that.

are you talking about quilford's thoughts on the Parama lynch?

The way I see it, Day one is for information gathering. The shortest the day is, the least interactions there will be. This benefits the scum because they can get the night through with a low informative kill. And basically, we're left in a very similar position to the one we started on Day One if such thing happens.

[Katsuki]

Ugh.

That is all.

[kanyeknowsbest]

hey kats whos scum.

[Katsuki]

No idea.

Hence the above post.

[kanyeknowsbest]

what do you think about my heartthrob, elmo~

[UberNinja]

No. Just, no.

You don't agree with me that Elmo's done nothing pro-town since he replaced in?

Ok, UN, I'm curious. Quote me one post that Elmo has made at any point in the game that looks pro-town, and isn't just filler or him voting someone for voting him. Any post.

There is almost literally nothing Elmo has done that is pro-town.

That doesn't mean he is scum. That means he's terrible.

Lynching terrible players instead of scum is how town loses.

If there's nothing he's done all game that's pro-town, then why are you treating him like confirmed town? Why have you been defending him so hard and trying to get him into your "alliance"?

I tend to think that "X has done nothing town all day" is pretty much the single most damning scumtell that there is; but even if you didn't think that, even if you think he's just null and unreadable, it still doesn't explain your behavior today.

Lol so why didn't you push on diddin's slot then, you [shitty french food] hypocrite?

You're slipping dude.

[UberNinja]

@ninja,
you look like all those big companies trying to fill you up with papers since they know they're wrong, so they try to tire you out.
in the post you gave me about kanye - last two quotes are completely irrelevant; there is no case there, they just say that you think kanye is scum. the first - that's terrible reasoning for a lynch in my opinion. too little too late. the second - the only reference to kanye is 'we have a good-to-great wagon on kanye'.

in other words, you have no case, you're full of omlettes.
want to see how a case looks like, check out my case on you, lol.

You're missing the part where cases are required to lynch scummy people.
You of all people should realize that from Page 1.

On the other hand; you have made a case on me, Yos has made a case on me... and yet I'm still alive.

[UberNinja]

be noted, by the way, that in the posts where I post my case on you, kanye is my other scum candidate, so even while I *do* have a reason to want a kanye lynch, your post is bad to me. you're much much worse than him.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You're saying "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy"

I think you have had too much vodka broseph

[UberNinja]

I have a reasonably strong town read on all of those except Vi.

similarly to you un, vi is part of your proposed town alliance and on this same page you are still calling for him to be a part of it. explain.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say...

Please rephrase it; thanks.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

IMO kayne is town. His latest postings been good although I'm not scum : /

[UberNinja]

I'm not quite sure what the second part of this accusation is, except wildly overblown.
TBH "wildly overblown" kind of sums up my opinion of all things UberNinja.

I don't see how this alleged voting alliance can work effectively when we don't even have anything certain to narrow our suspect pool with. If this alliance is scum-driven, then they would protect each other as to not be among the lynch candidates, while still giving the false illusion of public consensus.

Simple mathematics. It's elementary my dear Watson.

6 player alliance has MAX 2 or 3 scum in it, and with my solidarity of reads on furcolow, shos, and charter, and knowing that I myself am town, that's four guaranteed townies. I could pick two randoms and even if they are both scum, it's still good because if they want to stay alive, they have to vote their buddies if we decide they are going to lynch their buddies.

Unite and Divide and Conquer bro.

It's the new thing.

[kanyeknowsbest]

I have a reasonably strong town read on all of those except Vi.

similarly to you un, vi is part of your proposed town alliance and on this same page you are still calling for him to be a part of it. explain.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say...

Please rephrase it; thanks.

you are trying to create a town alliance. it makes sense to limit such an alliance to players you have a strong town read on so as to keep scum out of it, thats the point. yet on the same page you are saying that you want vi in the alliance you are expressing doubts about his townness. do you see where one might take issue with this?

[UberNinja]

I agree, kanye has been looking much townier of late.

I also want Katsuki to stop being useless and step up to the microphone. It's karaoke night and everyone has already sung except you.
Tell us what you think about what. Not thinking anything about anything, or alternately, thinking nothing, is no excuse for being no use.

I mean you are replacing diddin for fucks sake. He didn't do anything, and now you're being exactly as useless as he was being. But neither you nor diddin emanate dumbtown vibes like Elmo/Quil, or pure flat out stupidity like Nuwen, so I give exactly ZERO fucks about whether or not you "feel" like playing or not.

I will personally end your sorry mafia life if you don't do something.
And that's not an idle boast. Hint hint.

[UberNinja]

I have a reasonably strong town read on all of those except Vi.

similarly to you un, vi is part of your proposed town alliance and on this same page you are still calling for him to be a part of it. explain.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say...

Please rephrase it; thanks.

you are trying to create a town alliance. it makes sense to limit such an alliance to players you have a strong town read on so as to keep scum out of it, thats the point. yet on the same page you are saying that you want vi in the alliance you are expressing doubts about his townness. do you see where one might take issue with this?

Yes.

But forcing players who MIGHT be scum to join the alliance if they wish to appear pro town (even if only for the moment) would effectively force them to vote the way the other five or so townies want to vote, instead of trying to subversively dissent and be disruptive to good pro-town wagons so that they never come to fruition. Do you see my side of it too?

Of course you don't want to bring people into the alliance that you suspect the most, because then they won't want to vote for themselves and obviously that will be bad publicity and people will lose faith in the righteous anger and force of will of the alliance, so that'd be a downside sure. But if their scumbuddy is in the alliance and is forced to vote for them, what's the beef?

The alliance is not locked. Anyone can join or be kicked out at any time. This helps to keep the integrity intact and growing.

Lets do this. Based on your improved behavior, you are welcome to join the alliance, which currently consists of:

Me
Furcolow
Elmo

I don't recall if Vi ever explicitly stated the desire or intent to join.

[Katsuki]

IMO kayne is town. His latest postings been good although I'm not scum : /

I swear to fuck this is what everyone seems to be saying in this game...

[Katsuki]

I agree, kanye has been looking much townier of late.

I also want Katsuki to stop being useless and step up to the microphone. It's karaoke night and everyone has already sung except you.
Tell us what you think about what. Not thinking anything about anything, or alternately, thinking nothing, is no excuse for being no use.

I mean you are replacing diddin for fucks sake. He didn't do anything, and now you're being exactly as useless as he was being. But neither you nor diddin emanate dumbtown vibes like Elmo/Quil, or pure flat out stupidity like Nuwen, so I give exactly ZERO fucks about whether or not you "feel" like playing or not.

I will personally end your sorry mafia life if you don't do something.
And that's not an idle boast. Hint hint.

So, this is essentially a giant paragraph of fluff essentially asking what kanye already asked me earlier this page, and with added "threats" if I answer this post with what I've already answered kanye with...

Oh hey what about that giant post of yours declaring diddin slot as town for replacing out as well hmm?

[Katsuki]

what do you think about my heartthrob, elmo~

No idea tbh. I do know that this quoted post above was pretty terrible and I'd totally vote that.