Worst Role Mafia - GAME OVER!

[RedPanda]

Okay, so the first thing I notice is that everyone who posted yesterday voted briz.

Second, looking through the vote posts,

the only ones which stand out as "jumping on the bandwagon without reasoning"

are RedPanda and, of course, Phil who hammered. I already think Phil is scum, and I'll ISO RedPanda next.

you are joking right?

[mafia-n00b]

Either edit posts or have posts deleted or something. I'm not sure what the mechanics of the board software allow.

[RedPanda]

I guess it doesn't help to say that I know all the mafia are male and BBmolla isn't one of them if nobody believes I'm town.

I need more explanation about this.

If you want me to believe that you're town and you're giving me good information here, You can tell us how you came to this conclusion.

[RedPanda]

I can't describe how angry I am at this game. I did something really pro that I can't say any more about, and Shadowgirl and I became masons, but then she dies before she can tell anyone that I'm really town.

also this

why can't you talk about it?

[RedPanda]

Okay, so the first thing I notice is that everyone who posted yesterday voted briz.

Second, looking through the vote posts,

the only ones which stand out as "jumping on the bandwagon without reasoning"

are RedPanda and, of course, Phil who hammered. I already think Phil is scum, and I'll ISO RedPanda next.

you are joking right?

Also this Please read the vote posts again and tell me you were serious about that.

Because this might change the way I look at you.

all this while I've been reading you as scum because I believed you were pretending to be stupid.

I think I should flip that statement from now.

[danakillsu]

I guess it doesn't help to say that I know all the mafia are male and BBmolla isn't one of them if nobody believes I'm town.

I need more explanation about this.

If you want me to believe that you're town and you're giving me good information here, You can tell us how you came to this conclusion.

No you don't.

No I can't.

I can't describe how angry I am at this game. I did something really pro that I can't say any more about, and Shadowgirl and I became masons, but then she dies before she can tell anyone that I'm really town.

also this

why can't you talk about it?

Take a wild guess. Yep, you got it. Role-related reasons. Stop the fishing.

[saulres]

you are joking right?

No I'm not joking. Everyone other than those I mentioned made some reference to briz's claim when voting him. You added a vote to his wagon, without mentioning his claim at all, in a post attacking IceGuy. That's a simple fact that anyone can check.

Wanting to ISO you based on that? I have one pretty heavy scumread, Phil. I don't think he's the only scum in the game, so I'm looking for things to inspire me to ISO someone else. I found one, so I'll do it.

[RedPanda]

Dana whats your read on me?

You give us some information.
Then tell me you can't explain it.
you also say you became masons with shadowgirl.
So that seems to be like two powers.
but you refuse to answer anything citing role related reasons.
Explain what the reasons are then.
no but thats fishing.

Right now you're using the word fishing as an excuse.

Nobody asked you to reveal any information.

But you did because You thought nobody was going to believe that you were town.

Here I am asking you to explain and you crawl back under your turtle shell.

[RedPanda]

you are joking right?

No I'm not joking. Everyone other than those I mentioned made some reference to briz's claim when voting him. You added a vote to his wagon, without mentioning his claim at all, in a post attacking IceGuy. That's a simple fact that anyone can check.

Wanting to ISO you based on that? I have one pretty heavy scumread, Phil. I don't think he's the only scum in the game, so I'm looking for things to inspire me to ISO someone else. I found one, so I'll do it.

I'm not going to insult my intelligence by talking to you after this.

A village idiot is what you are.

[theamatuer]

I think the first resulted from shiidaji's post deleted, the other I dont know.
Dont think scum would have such a useless role though. At least they would have done something worse. In addition, if it was an edit, it would have shown

[saulres]

all this while I've been reading you as scum because I believed you were pretending to be stupid.

I think I should flip that statement from now.

I'm not going to insult my intelligence by talking to you after this.

A village idiot is what you are.

Explain to me now exactly what have I done to deserve those kinds of personal attacks. It's one thing to say "oh your reasons are lame and I don't like your scumhunting techniques." It's another to call me stupid and a VI. Keep it civil.

[RedPanda]

I'm sorry I'm in a bad mood.

I hate talking to a monkey.

[saulres]

You're breaking game rules and site rules. I've PMed

my mommy

the mod. Attack my arguments, point out where my thinking's wrong, but cut out the personal attacks.

There's so much shit like that on this board. You saw in your modded game I played in how I felt about the play in that game, and I'm not going to tolerate it any more.

[danakillsu]

Dana whats your read on me?

You give us some information.
Then tell me you can't explain it.
you also say you became masons with shadowgirl.
So that seems to be like two powers.
but you refuse to answer anything citing role related reasons.
Explain what the reasons are then.
no but thats fishing.

Right now you're using the word fishing as an excuse.

Nobody asked you to reveal any information.

But you did because You thought nobody was going to believe that you were town.

Here I am asking you to explain and you crawl back under your turtle shell.

That second to last statement is false. I clearly did not reveal that information to convince people I was town, but rather to give town information. Why you would jump to anything more complicated as the necessary explanation of events is beyond me unless you really want me to be scum.

I am not using the word fishing as an excuse. My excuse is role-related reasons. You and everyone else have understood by now that I can't reveal much about my role. You're the only one who is choosing to disregard that fact. How I am using the word fishing is the way it is supposed to be used. When someone has everything he actually needs to know about someone's role, but wants to know more, it's called fishing. Sometimes, it doesn't even take that much to be fishing, but this is certainly well into fishing territory. I REPEAT, I DO NOT WANT TO USE MY INFORMATION TO TRY TO PROVE I'M TOWN. IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT EVEN IF I COULD TELL YOU EVERYTHING ABOUT MY ROLE. So you have everything I want you to have anyway.

[RedPanda]

I guess it doesn't help to say that I know all the mafia are male and BBmolla isn't one of them

if nobody believes I'm town.

[BBmolla]

Does no one have any comments on my thoughts about inte-bb? Or at least my observation about inte's turnaround?

It was a good catch, dunno what to really make of it.

[BBmolla]

Second, looking through the vote posts, the only ones which stand out as "jumping on the bandwagon without reasoning" are RedPanda and, of course, Phil who hammered. I already think Phil is scum, and I'll ISO RedPanda next.

This is just awful. Stop being scum.

[RedPanda]

You phrased it that way not me.

When someone has everything he actually needs to know about someone's role, but wants to know more, it's called fishing.

Also this is bullshit.
I know nothing about your role except you claim that you were some kind of searching mason.
And shadowgirl didn't flip anything of that sort and that you have information that all the girls are town and bbmolla is town.

Atleast tell me at what point in time you got this information.

My point is simple.
You are one of my strongest scum reads.
But you claimed something which is confusing me.
I remember you talking about the mason thing before.
And I want to be convinced that I was wrong.
There are two ways to do that.
One is by your role.
one is by your player slot.
my read on your player slot isn't going to change.

If you can't be clear about your role because of role related reasons.
then explain those reasons.
I'm pretty sure anybody can give information without having to break the rules.

[RedPanda]

You're breaking game rules and site rules. I've PMed

my mommy

the mod. Attack my arguments, point out where my thinking's wrong, but cut out the personal attacks.

There's so much shit like that on this board. You saw in your modded game I played in how I felt about the play in that game, and I'm not going to tolerate it any more.

ouch.

you have a very thin skin.

[Amrun]

No, Red Panda, I think calling someone a stupid monkey is pretty offensive. You should apologize.

In other news, nothing really productive has happened except for saulres bringing my attention to PokerFace. Well, someone else - theam, I think - did it first. If he was so willing to proxy his vote to RP, why was he so concerned about distancing himself from his proxied vote? I really, really did not like that. And he really HASN'T done much scumhunting. Being behind is no excuse - he had lots of things to observe, and he chose to mostly observe fluff.

Phil still scum, though.

[mafia-n00b]

@Amrun, not worried about the weird quote issue? If we can't trust the game history, I'd think that awareness is productive.

[Amrun]

No, I think it was because the mod deleted that Shiidaji post.

It's a good thing to point out, but speculation about it won't do any good. We'll keep an eye on it and that's all we can do.

[mafia-n00b]

Fair enough.

[danakillsu]

I guess it doesn't help to say that I know all the mafia are male and BBmolla isn't one of them

if nobody believes I'm town.

But you did because You thought nobody was going to believe that you were town.

These two statements do not mean anywhere near the same thing. If I said "It probably doesn't do much good to hit a broken computer with a hammer, but I'll do it anyway", would it mean the same thing as "I'll hit the broken computer with a hammer BECAUSE it doesn't do much good" ? No, it most emphatically wouldn't. Stop twisting words.

You phrased it that way not me.

When someone has everything he actually needs to know about someone's role, but wants to know more, it's called fishing.

Also this is bullshit.
I know nothing about your role except you claim that you were some kind of searching mason.
And shadowgirl didn't flip anything of that sort and that you have information that all the girls are town and bbmolla is town.

Atleast tell me at what point in time you got this information.

My point is simple.
You are one of my strongest scum reads.
But you claimed something which is confusing me.
I remember you talking about the mason thing before.
And I want to be convinced that I was wrong.
There are two ways to do that.
One is by your role.
one is by your player slot.
my read on your player slot isn't going to change.

If you can't be clear about your role because of role related reasons.
then explain those reasons.
I'm pretty sure anybody can give information without having to break the rules.

You don't really need to know when I got that information, but I got it Nights 1 and 3. Being abducted does not appear to affect the ability I still have.

It wasn't part of ShadowGirl's role per se, so of course she wouldn't flip as that.

You already know it's not about breaking the rules. If the information I've given you does not convince you I'm town, and your read on me will not change, then fine. A vote on me for the rest of the game is better than telling you much more about my role.

[Captain Haddock]

Saul, why do you think there's 2 scum teams?

Does no one have any comments on my thoughts about inte-bb? Or at least my observation about inte's turnaround?

They look quite likely, if Inte is BBmolla's buddy that would explain the Maniaclelemon vote... It looked exactly like a bus and he was in no danger.

@Amrun I think he may well be town, but I think that the only way he can *prove* his inside info is by being proven town... by dying. Basically, as town, he's more valuable to us dead than alive.

So we should lynch every cop that comes along?

No. My impression was that dana was getting his info from SG, and since she's dead, his source has dried up. If dana is getting ongoing intel, that's a very different story.

How about it, dana... are you going to be getting any more info??

@ CaptainHaddock
Honestly, it's kinda moronic to listen to someone's dying wish who had

no special information

and

whose mind was (from your POV) possibly changed right before she died

. If the information that YOU have access to indicates something, it's pointless to listen to someone else's opinion who had less information than you (since she died before I returned from abduction).

According to you.

I thought Redpanda was town but asking for a claim without a massclaim is ridiculous but he's attacking Dana... I need to work this out. I remember Redpanda saying CCV not answering me is fine but a time will come when we will have to. I think we should masslaim later today actually.